Euro 2008 Not here

LizardKing · 12-12-2002 1:34pm #1

Did not get it

http://www.fai.ie/FAI/Welcome+to+the+FAI%21.htm

Tellox · 12-12-2002 1:36pm

got there seconds before me.

LizardKing · 12-12-2002 1:39pm

Don't blame them not giving it to us ....
We had 1 imaginary stadium and 1 stadium which we may not of been able to use :mad:

At least Scotland did there part , they'll know next time to go with Wales ...

Sposs · 12-12-2002 1:54pm

Ah Crap,I honestly taught we where in with a shout,Hope all in Croke Park are happy now :mad:

RicardoSmith · 12-12-2002 2:07pm

pity but no surprise.

yop · 12-12-2002 2:09pm

Feel the blame lies firmly at the foot of GAA for their outdated ideas, we would have been 400 million revenue.

They should come into the year 2002, always stuck in the dark ages

Typedef · 12-12-2002 2:09pm

,Hope all in Croke Park are happy now

Well to be honest Sposs, it was the government who renaiged on it's comittment to build a National Stadium, after the election.

I hope all the Fianna Fial/PD supporters are happy now.

Tellox · 12-12-2002 2:14pm

Its a real pity, I feel Ireland were in with a fighting chance to win if we could've hosted it here and in scotland. I blame it solely on the "we promise a stadium if we can have the euro" speech.

peeve · 12-12-2002 2:15pm

Originally posted by yop
Feel the blame lies firmly at the foot of GAA for their outdated ideas

I dont think the GAA should take the full blame-i do feel they could have allowed soccer to be played but bertie didnt help by claiming that soccer would never be played in croke park before going to the gaa and pleading them to let him use it for euro 2008. What happened to eircom park?!

peeve · 12-12-2002 2:16pm

rhetorical q

ciano · 12-12-2002 2:18pm

I honestly believe that was our one and only chance to host a major football tournament. Theres no way we could ever be hosts on our own and considering the sh*t that happened over the last few months, theres no way any other country will ever want to co-host with us.

I think Scotland should apply to host the Euro Champs in 2012 on their own, and if thats not possible then they should co-host with Wales.

Polonious · 12-12-2002 2:29pm

Don't forget guys, switzerland hosted a very successful euro U21 competition earlier in the year, so they were always gonna be firm favourites.

xlex · 12-12-2002 2:29pm

Originally posted by Sposs
Ah Crap,I honestly taught we where in with a shout,Hope all in Croke Park are happy now :mad:

Complete ****... Bertie Ahern promised a stadium, gave/promised cash to each organisation if they rowed in behind the National Stadium... The GAA cannot be blamed, they never gave special intention of allowing the Euro Championships to be played there, you cannot solely blame them, they would have little to gain apart from some cash, of which they have plenty...

Other problems they would encounter would be the galmour of playing in front of 80,000 as part of the ROI soccer team. Lose more potiential players to their code....

Weeken their hand in negotations with the locals when draws etc. arise... They have their stadium and they should be allowed to do what they want...

I know taxpayers money helped but that was Bertie buying votes and paying his mates... ever been at a game in Parnell Park... Bertie always enjoys those... I reckon it was mismanaged money...

The FAI have no ground, feck all money and of what benefit would the Euro Championship be to Ireland??

Sposs · 12-12-2002 2:43pm

Originally posted by xlex

The FAI have no ground, feck all money and of what benefit would the Euro Championship be to Ireland??

The huge amount of revenue for the country and especially the tourism industry, aswell as qualifying for the Championships automatically.

Typedef · 12-12-2002 2:44pm

The FAI have no ground, feck all money and of what benefit would the Euro Championship be to Ireland?

Publicity and Tourism revenue. For the Hotels, Night Clubs B & Bs, Airlines and so on, it would have meant mega bucks.

Still where would Bertie Ahern be, if he didn't have Mary Harney to blame for throtteling Stadium Ireland?

Why, he'd have to blame Charlie McCreevy.

LizardKing · 12-12-2002 2:48pm

This is an issue which has been overlooked by successive governments since the FAI was setup.

Its an embarressment to Irish Football but cannot be blamed alone on the current government , at least they are trying to commit to something..

I would still hope that Stadium Ireland gets built before 2008

xlex · 12-12-2002 2:55pm

Originally posted by Sposs
The huge amount of revenue for the country and especially the tourism industry, aswell as qualifying for the Championships automatically.

Huge revenue for the country granted, but stadium expansion and improvement is a main reason why football associations/ goverments back such ventures... The government backed it saying if we got the tournament we would have the stadium...

The tourism industry is ****ed anyway... We wouldn't have achieved anything other than a token gesture towards it... The agreement was for one group and a 1/4 final, maybe a semi-final... We would only host less than a 1/4 of the country... Dublin would hold it all and can we handle that many visitors in Dublin... Tourism needs more than this to dig itself out of trouble...

Qualification automatically... Well if we're not good enough to qualify thru the group tables we'd hardly deserve an automatic place at the top table... Expensive travelling out of Europe for friendlies so there would be f*ck all financial gain to the FAI... IMO we would have been better placed to stage the tournament if the FAI had a home but thats another debate...

ReefBreak · 12-12-2002 4:03pm

Originally posted by yop
Feel the blame lies firmly at the foot of GAA for their outdated ideas, we would have been 400 million revenue.

They should come into the year 2002, always stuck in the dark ages

Very predictable comment. If in doubt, just blame the Gah. No mention of the fact that the Govt + FAI don't have the balls to build a national stadium.

yop · 12-12-2002 4:20pm

Very predictable comment. If in doubt, just blame the Gah. No mention of the fact that the Govt + FAI don't have the balls to build a national stadium.

what, the tick prcked gaa were asked and refused, they get tax payers money then refuse to host an event that would benefit all. Gaa are and always have been know as the tightest shower on the planet, ask the Cork players

Gov + FAI not having balls - I think it was down to money, in case you have not noticed we are in a recession, so you think it is ok to pump loads of money in a project, when there is sufficent grounds around the corner.

xlex · 12-12-2002 4:55pm

Originally posted by yop
they get tax payers money then refuse to host an event that would benefit all

on what conditions... none... Bertie never forseen the fact we might need it... The government ploughed money into something they had no control over and because Bertie was arrogent enough to think we'd have a national stadium... At the time of Eircom Park the same money would have build the thing and the FAI would be going to the Euro 2008 table with their own stadium and in a much stronger position.... The scots must be fuming...

The Bid should never have been considered... Hold fire for 2012...

mike65 · 12-12-2002 6:39pm

Just been listening to a discussion on Todays FMs The Last Word,
Fintan O Tool started by the suggesting the stadia problersm lost the bid, then in double quick time it was decided the Swiss/Austrian
bid won because the Irish were the victims of an international stitch-up by Johnny Foriegner which is very comforting and means all the failures here can be ignored. I suspect many in Scotland are spitting bullets on the quiet.

Mike.

Mountjoy Mugger · 12-12-2002 6:50pm

According to the 6-1 News tonight, Hungary finished ahead of us, and they have no stadia ready. So, all the theorists about blaming the GAA can take a running jump...

Victor · 12-12-2002 10:24pm

Someone please tell me that this is English: "The Scotland and Ireland joint bid to host the 2008 European Championships narrowly missed out on a winning the vote by UEFA on Thursday"

If they can't even check their grammar on a statement, what hope did they have?

PiE · 13-12-2002 2:07am

Meh, we would've screwed it up anyway.

Dampsquid · 13-12-2002 9:04am

The reason we didn't get it was the fact that 5 of the stadiums would have been in two citys, and that would have been a night mare for the organisers. Imagine, 4 team in dublin. completely unrealistic.

Scottish · 13-12-2002 1:42pm

Just another point of view on all this.

this morning in some of the more cerebral scottish press (The Glasgow Herald) the blame was actually falling on the fact that the SFA had made a major miscalculation on insisiting that our national stadium (Hampden Park) remain in Glasgow. Uefa apparently couldn't deal with the fact that three 60,000+ seater stadiums all resided in a city with half a million residents. 3 group stages would have taken place in Glasgow, I think and 2 in Dublin. Thats a recipe for disaster. Imagine if England, Germany, Holland, Scotland, France etc where all playing their group games in Glasgow? Dublin couldn't have coped with 8 sets of fans either.

The debacle in Ireland around the availability of stadiums was the other main factor. Could you imagine what FIFA and UEFA's response was, when told that Croke Park may not be available. "Why?" "Garrison Games aren't allowed". In the 21st Century, that must have seemed like they had just visited another planet. You can't use this stadium, because association football is British.

Welcome to modern, forward thinking Ireland. They must have recoiled in horror.

The whole bid was dead in the water from the beginning. The arrogance of both countries administrators and media led us to think differently.

Both countries, and their respective inability to break with their past (albeit for very different reasons) resulted in this decision. They should never have applied in the first place.

mike65 · 13-12-2002 6:17pm

If Scotland have another go it'll be in its own I'm sure. As Ireland is'nt in a position to host such an event solo, thats proberly it forever then.

Mike.

BKtje · 14-12-2002 1:36pm

Well it must have had a chance cos it reached the last four.
I agree it was a sham but to say it was dead from the start is going over the top slightly.

Scottish · 14-12-2002 9:20pm

It was a logistical nightmare. It would have been a disaster, and uefa could see that a mile away.

the winning bid had 8 stadiums all in different locations. 3 in one city is just too much.

Scottish · 14-12-2002 9:21pm

Oh, and we were beaten into 4th by hungary, who had no stadiums at all.

Pigman · 14-12-2002 11:51pm

Blame the GAA. Blame Bertie. Blame whoever you like but it's all a waste of energy on your parts.

Even if Croke Park had been on board AND Stadium Ireland had opened two weeks ago we still wouldn't have won the right to stage Euro2008. When you see a bid that not only didn't spread stadia evenly between co-hosts but also had FIVE of it's eight stadia located in just 2 cities you can see that even had our pipe-dream proposals been met that the bid was a logisital farce.

I said on here MONTHS ago that this bid was ridiculous and thankfully UEFA saw fit to take the same view.

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