What about Leeds Utd

Wheeler · 10-12-2002 9:34pm #1

What about Leeds Utd. Ive been a afan for years and always thought they played well but recently they are utter S H I T. Its only a year and a half ago since leeds were one step away from being the champions leauge winners.CNN had them placed as the 3rd best team in the world but what has happened.O leary getting sacked was a big mistake but we cant really put all the blame on EL TEL. Something major has to be done soon as it wont be long before were playing f**k*in Barnsley in Div 1.

Anyone got any other comments on Leeds at teh moment?

mike65 · 10-12-2002 10:12pm

I'm temtped to start by wondering what CNN know about football!

Leeds are in trouble with a captial T no question, the fix is going to be a long time coming I think, thier finances, dispite sales are still
dire and its quite possible players like the Auzzie pair will be gone by June, asssuming Leeds hav'nt been relegated. If that happens then it'll be fire sale and years in Division 1.

Many will blame El Tel but its proberly beyond him to get a team of
dispirited players with one eye on the drop zone to pull together, as you said they were just a game from being in the CL final a couple of seasons back, its been a huge drop and no-one at Eland Road quite seems to have got to grips with the implosion.

Suddenly I'm a happy Liverpool fan.

Thanks you've cheered me up.:)

Mike.

ciano · 11-12-2002 9:21am

I think alot of their problems are due to the fact that they have serious injury problems and are unable to bring in replacements due to the transfer window and their finances.

No, Dave O'Leary shouldnt have been sacked, but I reckon they'd have still had problems this season even if he'd have still been in charge.

Dazzer · 11-12-2002 9:43am

This all started with the Jonathan Woodgate and Lee Bowyer trial, players started to fall out with each other. Then O'Leary in all his wisdom decided to write a book which critised some players (This is the main reason he was sacked)

And now even more players are arguing with each other. El Tel is'nt to blame, the players are.

A Peed Off leeds Fan

Waylander · 11-12-2002 10:37am

It is El Tels job to get the player back together and get their heads sorted. I heard a Leeds player was interviewed at the weekend and asked if they were in a relegation battle. He answered No. That would really worry me if I was a Leeds fan. They are only two points off the relegation zone and this gobsh*te thinks they are home and dry. I think he should change some faces when the window opens again. Get rid of some player with their heads in the wrong places and bring new ones in. Him having a war with Dacourt does not help things either, he is one of the better central midfielders at the club and was getting capped for France while Dave O leary was there.

johnnynolegs · 11-12-2002 12:17pm

yeah leeds are dire - and unlike liverpool they r not just having a bad patch they r stuck in a relegation battle and nobody is afraid of playing them anymore - disaster is on the horizon

Wolf · 11-12-2002 12:23pm

The boards to blame. Big dave was doing well. Then along come Man U with a big wad of notes and the board starts to think of hmm ivory back scratchers. Big dave says "NO!" board gets pissed off and bung im out which they wouldnt have done if el Tel wasnt avilable. I agree injury has a big part to play but they wouldnt be in this much trouble if Dave was still there.

leeroybrown · 11-12-2002 12:33pm

Leeds will survive.

The quality in the team means that all they really have to do is play well for a few weeks and they'll be out of trouble.

El Tel is a pretty good manager underneath it all. Hopefully the players will cop themselves on soon and start playing to a level even remotely close to their potential.

johnnynolegs · 11-12-2002 12:40pm

yeha but i stil think they r in trouble i can see them finishing around tenth if they can pull it together

Rolo Tomasi · 11-12-2002 1:03pm

Its really difficult to pick one reason as to why Leeds have slumped so dramatically. The year they got to the semi's Leeds were in the middle of a trail an the eyes of Europe were on them. The team rallied around each other, circled the wagons so to speak, and set out to prove themselves in England and Europe.

The results were spectacular and this gave leeds fans the false impression of the dawn of a new era.

Season after, trial is over, Leeds out of the champions league, Fergie is eyeing up Rio, Bowyer keeps telling anyone who'll listen that he wont sign a new contract and then Dave decides to release a little book that he has been working on.

Financial pressures as well as the ill timed book contributed to Dave's dismissal, Rio left for 30 million and everyone at Leeds decieded that they hate each other(Kewell and Viduka dont speak off the pitch).

With Bowyer almost certain to leave in the summer for free (that'll annoy Risdale no end) the future for Leeds looks very bleak. But they wont get relegated, they'll possibly turn into another Aston Villa. How wonderful!

peeve · 11-12-2002 2:03pm

Originally posted by Rolo Tomasi

they'll possibly turn into another Aston Villa.

That's a bit harsh isnt it!!!:D

Waylander · 11-12-2002 2:27pm

Cole and Sheringham used to not speak to each other of the pitch, but they still scored between thirty and forty goals between them each season. People do not always get on, particularly in that kind of environment where the are alot of big ego's knocking around. I do not think that is a good excuse. aqs regards leeds being to good to go down, most people said the same of Forest when they went down, and the same of the Boro team that had Juninho, Emmerson, Festa 7 Ravinelli. I do not think there is such a thing as too good to go down.

I reckon Leeds should sell Viduka, because to my mind he is one of the most overrated players in the division. There was rumours linking him to Real a couple of seasons ago for £30m, if they could get 15m now I think they should take it. Also sell Dacourt because it is pretty obvious him and the manager cannot work together. Also Risdale should have a talk with El Tel giving him till Christmas to get it togethor or else.

WhiteWashMan · 11-12-2002 2:43pm

shame to see a team go to the dogs like that.

but at the end of the day, while they were semi finalists in the champions league, they never actually won anything.
they were always too young, or too this or too that.

terry venebles isnt a great manager. hes a mediocre one. he hasnt done much with any of the teams he's had, and anythat have won something, then its because of the quality of the team, not through his own brilliance. bloody hell, if i took over at real madrid, i bet i could win a cup in my first 5 years!

nope, leeds look in real trouble, and im just glad spurs took 3 points of them. christ, wed look really stupid to be the only team in the premier to not get 6 points of em these days!!

TwoShedsJackson · 11-12-2002 3:47pm

Venables has been found out at last. He's a decent enough tactician, but he's a crap motivator and this is his problem at Leeds.

What's the sum total of his achievements over his managerial career? One FA Cup with Tottenham. It's the fact that he has extensive media contacts and they write about him incessantly and blow his ability out of all proportion that has developed this apparent myth that he's a decent manager.

yop · 11-12-2002 4:57pm

It's a god's charity - got too big for their boots me finks, had a one season wonder then collapsed.
Think Bowyer and Woodgate should have been sacked from the club. But they are a team of thugs, from Bowyer to Mill, Woodgate & smith, Keane was dead right to leave them.
Hopefully they will get relegated, shows that pumping money at a team will not gurantee success

Waylander · 11-12-2002 5:04pm

Good to see you stand by the old maix " guilty till proven innocent " yop. Even though I am United fan I have been to elland road a few times in recent years and must say i always liked to see Leeds do well, particularly with the large irish contingent. In fairness to them they had more then one good season. They had to finish top three in the Premiership to qualify for the Champions League, and then got to the Semi's there so calling them a one season wonder may be a bit harsh. Having said that they won nothing, and that is the bottom line.

yop · 11-12-2002 5:24pm

WayL - I agree with the Irish contingent comment, and I understand they are not guilty, but it still took the minds of the players onto the case, if they got rid of them out of the team then it MAY have brought the other players back to what they should have been doin. maybe!

Wheeler · 12-12-2002 11:47am

Good points.....I dont think the book had anything to do with O Leary gtting sacked..the book was out almost a year before he was sacked and it was over exaggerated in the press.like Keanes book.
Leeds financial problem are really overdone also.....They make out Leeds are in serious financial debt but the truth is they were a really rich club but now they are just a rich club.

Leeds will pull a string of results together and finish about 9th

I hope anyway

THANKS FOT YERE COMMENTS

yop · 13-12-2002 11:32am

Wheeler - are you alive this morning! All ye need now is to be relegated and that will cap it!

I see Bowyer is in trouble - once a thug always a thug, club should throw the book at him IF he gets done for it.

"UEFA will look at the video of Leeds' match against Malaga before deciding whether or not to take action against Lee Bowyer for what appeared to be a stamp on the face of a Spanish player in their UEFA Cup clash last night. "

Dampsquid · 13-12-2002 11:45am

I'm glad to see Leeds getting knocked out, not because of El Tel, but because of the thugs that he has to manage.

Ping Chow Chi · 13-12-2002 1:12pm

I really really hope el tel pulls things around very quick

...as I don't want Leeds to nick Paul Hart off us at Forest

I always thought O'Leary was a bit of an under-achiver, but looking how things have gone since he has left, I guess I was wrong there.

red vex · 13-12-2002 2:05pm

being a derby county fan i feel the urge to slag the above poster
but ill just say div 1 this year is very poor if derby actually win a few games theyll get promoted. dont like leeds either(70s rivalry

Waylander · 13-12-2002 2:21pm

Leeds financial problem are really overdone also.....They make out Leeds are in serious financial debt but the truth is they were a really rich club but now they are just a rich club.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee for all Leeds fans. Leeds are £60m in debt, they HAD to sell Rio Ferdinand, to me that amounts to pretty serious financial problems, of a club that thought it was rich. As for a string of results, they would really want to get that going this weekend, against Bolton I think, fellow RELEGATION battlers. The only difference is Bolton know that they are fighting off relegation.

Dazzer · 18-12-2002 7:15pm

I know this is an oldish topic but I thought I'd post here rather than start a new thread

After watching the game on Monday all I can say is how lucky we are

Let's hope this gives the lads some confidence

BTW as for all the "Leeds players are thugs" comments all I will say is IT'S A MANS GAME :P

What about Leeds Utd

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