'... the system doesn't work'

azezil · 01-12-2002 4:59pm #1

People say this all the time, and i think they're right, i propose that for a utopian society there should be only one punishment for crime, death.

Of course we still have to deal with the issues resulting peoples 'need' to steal, but to jump start it i think we should kill all offenders.

_sheep · 01-12-2002 5:06pm

This would lead to a boring socitey. There would be nothing interesting happening in the world. Although it sounds good on paper, i cant see it working in practice. I refer you to that episode of simpsons where bart has the magical powers (halloween one) and everyone is going around trying to think happy thoughts for fear of reprisal(sp).

Anyway just my two cents, personally i think you on the right track, but probaly a less serious punishment, i mean you steal some bread, you die. You kill a man, you die. There has to be comparisions made.

Prehaps a tier'd system of punishment, steal bread means you lose an arm, adultry and you lose your manhood

sceptre · 01-12-2002 5:08pm

adultry and you lose your manhood

I suppose you'd have to make adultery a crime first

azezil trolling?

azezil · 01-12-2002 5:11pm

nope, was thinking about it... makes sense to me

Karl Hungus · 01-12-2002 5:13pm

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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 01-12-2002 5:21pm

who decides what's a crime and what's not then?

yellum · 01-12-2002 5:22pm

Originally posted by azezil
People say this all the time, and i think they're right, i propose that for a utopian society there should be only one punishment for crime, death.

Of course we still have to deal with the issues resulting peoples 'need' to steal, but to jump start it i think we should kill all offenders.

Who defines what a crime is ? What about freedom fighters ? Before a revolution they're terrorists afterwards they're heroes

azezil · 01-12-2002 5:28pm

what is and what isn't a crime is pritty well established.

All land will be devided up into sectors, these sectors patrolled by enforcers. U can't see what everyone's doing all of the time so sectors will be choosen at random, no one but a select few will have knowledge of which sectors are to be patroled on any given day.

Greenbean · 01-12-2002 5:38pm

Absolute bollix, what is and isn't a crime is far from established and is definitely not unified for everyone. As Mordeth says, who exactly is going to judge everyone? I don't see any perfect, infallable, unbiased human being with insight into all the angles, and no agenda. At the end of the day the majority of the things we do could be considered crimes, and these are mostly powered by things in our nature (fight for survival).

This thread is such a troll, because no-one would knowingly express such a blantly ridiculous and unconsidered notion.

kaimera · 01-12-2002 5:43pm

Of course we still have to deal with the issues resulting peoples 'need' to steal, but to jump start it i think we should kill all offenders

would be a great deterant.

as regards whats a crime and who is gonna judge people...

use the current judicial system [we will have time to sort that out], and those found quilty = dead.

then weed out those in the max security wings of our prisons = dead.

rapists, drug-dealers, kiddie-philes = dead.

Better class of people left in society can only be a good thing,

zenith · 01-12-2002 6:11pm

But isn't it better that a thousand wrongdoers walk free, rather than one innocent be wrongly punished?

By the way, I'm sure this 'instant death' scenario was a Star Trek:TNG episode.

Shad0r · 01-12-2002 6:13pm

I propose that all threads started on boards.ie entitled "... the system dosen't work" should be outlawed and made a criminal offence.

Moriarty · 01-12-2002 6:24pm

But who watches the watchers!¬?"

kaimera · 01-12-2002 6:33pm

Originally posted by Moriarty
But who watches the watchers!¬?"

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Moriarty · 01-12-2002 6:36pm

Originally posted by Kaimera
boards.ie admins

I see where your going, and i dont like the looks of it..

azezil · 01-12-2002 7:24pm

Originally posted by zenith
But isn't it better that a thousand wrongdoers walk free, rather than one innocent be wrongly punished?

hell no! so what if 1 or 2 innocent's die ...

By the way, I'm sure this 'instant death' scenario was a Star Trek:TNG episode. [/B]

yes

PiE · 01-12-2002 11:29pm

Would you be willing to give up your life even though you know you're innocent "for the greater good"? Which in this case wouldn't be the greater good 'cos the scum would still be walking free.

DapperGent · 01-12-2002 11:39pm

Originally posted by azezil
nope, was thinking about it... makes sense to me

That's the most inappropriate use of the word "think" I've ever seen in my life.

amp · 02-12-2002 9:06am

Were you drunk when you started this thread Azesal?

davej · 02-12-2002 10:02am

There will always be crime - because the idea of what constitutes an "offence" is a relative concept. In a society of saints there would still be crime.

Think of an environment like a monastery that punishes even the smallest little deviance from the rules. If a monk, for example, forgot to say his morning prayers, this would be considered scandalous. All of the other monks would be outraged at his terrible behaviour and would expect him to be heavily reprimanded. From our (so called) objective point of view we might look at this and say "you'd swear that guy had robbed a bank or something". Similarily the monks might look at what we do and think we are akin to nazi war criminals.

The problem is that the concept of a crime is set on a sliding rule that moves with us as our societal attitudes and behaviours change over time. So in a hypothetical society which punished every crime with death there would still be wholly "evil" people who did terrible things like knocking coffee cups over or not brushing their teeth twice a day. Many people would still think to themselves that the world was a terribly dangerous place in which to live. Old people would hark back to the good old days when it was safe to leave your coffee cup on your desk. People would campaign to get the evil practice of knocking coffee cups over illegal.

davej

ykt0di9url7bc3 · 02-12-2002 10:33am

i dont think he is trolling, have you been watching ST:TNG again Az?
where wesley ****s up and is sentenced to to death?

Killing all offenders is perfectly reasonable but you have to prove they did it...but what if its an accident/mental illness/self defense?

Would you kill those aswell?

because thats where the justice system came out of...years and years ago they used to kill people for the sillyiest of things and every so often the one that was caught would say "it wasnt me..it was the one armed man!" or " It just fell inot meh pocket sire!"...so a system called the courts was drawn up where the "accussed" was trailled from the crime and if he was guilty then death!.........
another few hundred years and some-one commited the crime of murder and the judge said death by railway, the next offender was guilty of stealing a loaf of bread and he judge decided that death wasnt fair to this starving man and gave him 2 weeks in a lock room to think about what he did........

Now IMHO taking human life in the concept of revenge or retribution is wrong....i believe that locking the person in a rat infested hell hole with no window and buggery twice a week for the rest of his/her life is a lot more cruel and fitting for the crime of premeditated murder of a child....

punishment isnt the be all and end all of stopping crime, "crime prevention" such as drug enforcement, good schooling and good parenting is more important that waiting for the ****ers to commit the crime before you make an example of them...

Hell, at this level of decadance, everyone is guilty of something!

'... the system doesn't work'

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