heres Shinji

monkeymonkey

you might want to look at this... He looks funny...

http://shop.eurogamer.net/img/mugshots/rob.jpg

its from eurogamer's new shop (powered by gameplay), I dont think its any good price wise for people in ireland.

but its a nice idea!

El Marco

I'm confused

monkeymonkey

Originally posted by El Marco
I'm confused

look at the image by clicking on the link! :rolleyes:

[CALIBUR]

eh..? yea \:|

monkeymonkey

looked funny at the time!

monkeymonkey

the posts also about eurogamers shop, what do you think of that?

the big bad boys are making me cry

Littletinyman

It was inevitable that this (100% accurate) artist's impression of Rob was going to cause this sort of hysteria

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by #MEAT#

Shut up.

And yes monkeyx2, the artists impression of Shinji is a bit funny

Clover

http://shop.eurogamer.net/img/mugshots/rob.jpg

the image on the front page of www.bluesnews.com looks like him.

with glasses + a goatee .( = ugly git ) j/k.

El Marco

I'm still confused, and yes I clicked the link and yes I know what shinji looks like. I think I left my sense of humour in my other pants :eek:

Ryo Hazuki

Wow a picture!

Lock this thread.

Shinji

Deleted Meat's utterly unfunny flaming.

By the way, I'm deeply insulted by the fact that you ba$tards actually think I look like that. I have a huge bloody grey beard like Karl bloody Marx in that picture!

(Which I don't have in real life before any smartar$e makes a comment....)



Er, anyway.... Feedback on what you think of the shop would also be appreciated. I know at the moment our delivery charge makes it financially unsound for Ireland (we're working on this) but aside from the prices, what do ye think?

monument

I like it, "we only sell good games" is good idea.

And it’s another brilliant piece of work from eurogames art people, It’s a refreshing design for a online games shop.

Balfa

I think it's actually really really awful. I like the caustic wit. It's refreshing. But the only selling "good" games thing.... you have got to be kidding... What ever happened to freedom of choice? I don't want to be limited to buying only games that someone else thinks is good. Maybe a game you think is crap is a game someone else thinks is really good. So what if their opinion is in the minority, that doesn't mean they should be allowed to play the game.

This is exactly the problem with the games industry and many other industries at the moment... publishers only back big titles and spend far too much money backing them, cos they figure the less risks taken the better. Highstreet shops have only so much shelf space, so they only stock the games they think will sell really well. The fantastic benefit of online shops is that their storehouses can be anywhere, and therefore much less expensive per sq foot than highstreet shops, so they can afford to stock a much wider range of games - niche market games, out of print games, new developers' games - and it doesn't matter if they don't sell quickly. How could a small publisher or developer possibly have any hope of succeeding if all the outlets take the same stance as you, only cashing in on the really successful games and screwing the rest?

I know you're going to say you're not backing the big publishers' favourites, and that you're taking a gamer's point of view (rather than a marketer's) when you decide what games are "good", but that's not good enough. It's still a despotic principal, and it goes against the general idea of free choice. I should be able to buy a crap game if i want to, maybe because it's the only RPG set in cambodia, and that happens to just what i'm looking for, whether it's crap or not. Or any other dumb reason i might want to buy a crap game for. the point is, it should be MY choice, not yours.

Bear in mind i write this having seen only the comment on the concept page, and not having actually checked to see what titles are available, but that's because it's specifically the concept that i'm furious at.

Balfa

I'm also aware that there are many places around to buy games, and i can use my wonderful freedom of choice to choose another instead of eurogamer shop, and that's probably what i'll do Like i said it's just the concept that irks me, and it's one i hope won't be adopted by other retailers.


I'm getting the impression you might simply be a mainly reviewing merchant, and basically leave -everything- up to gameplay after someone reads your review and clicks the buy link. I accept this, if you're first and foremost a reviewer, that just happens to have amazon-style referring links to buy reviewed games from gameplay. But the impression you're putting across on your concept page suggests you're a retailer first and foremost, who just happens to review ( and filter ) the games you sell.

If you're going to be a referring reviewer, i still think it's fair to review the crap games

Kix

Originally posted by Shinji
I have a huge bloody grey beard like Karl bloody Marx in that picture!

I guess it's the manly-stchubble, which can be a reall killer on the thighs.

Think of the youth Rob...

K

meglome

the shop looks pretty good, sharp yet friendly.

As Balfa mentions in his rant, who decides what a good game is? (Hey Balfa, got time on your hands at the moment)

As for the artist impression of Shinji, it really takes the edge off looking at him in real life.

monument

Originally posted by Balfa
I think it's actually really really awful. I like the caustic wit. It's refreshing. But the only selling "good" games thing.... you have got to be kidding... What ever happened to freedom of choice? .

in real life not all shops sell all thing, why cant the internet be the same?

satchmo

Fair enough, but as a purely PC gamer I have a total choice of... 4 games? And one of them's not even out yet?! And considering I don't really like RPGs, my options are.... Unreal Tournament 2003. That's taking the whole "we only sell good games" a little too far, no?!

Having said that, the prices seem good (for England), and the site has a clean, crisp professional feel.

Balfa

Originally posted by meglome
(Hey Balfa, got time on your hands at the moment)

lol, yes, plenty. which is why i'm filling it with silly pointless posts about end of level bosses

monument

Originally posted by Jazz
Fair enough, but as a purely PC gamer I have a total choice of... 4 games? And one of them's not even out yet?! And considering I don't really like RPGs, my options are.... Unreal Tournament 2003. That's taking the whole "we only sell good games" a little too far, no?!

yes maybe, but *I think* its really only GamePlay using Eurogamer as a shop front and Eurogamer makes money from it.

Shinji

Fair enough, but as a purely PC gamer I have a total choice of... 4 games? And one of them's not even out yet?! And considering I don't really like RPGs, my options are.... Unreal Tournament 2003. That's taking the whole "we only sell good games" a little too far, no?!

Yep - we're building on our back catalogue of titles at the moment. Right now you can really only buy stuff that's come out recently - we'll be adding a whole pile of older stuff for the next edition of the site on Sunday night though.

Shinji

Monument - um, kinda, but the other way round really. Gameplay aren't using us as a shop front, we're using them as a fulfillment company

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by Balfa
I think it's actually really really awful. I like the caustic wit. It's refreshing. But the only selling "good" games thing.... you have got to be kidding... What ever happened to freedom of choice?

You are still free to choose from the games there.

I don't want to be limited to buying only games that someone else thinks is good. Maybe a game you think is crap is a game someone else thinks is really good. So what if their opinion is in the minority, that doesn't mean they should be allowed to play the game.

If they want the crap game so badly then they can go waste their money on it somewhere else. It seems like a fairly simple idea to me. Sell only good games = customers who purchase are happy with the game and the advice from Eurogamer. Sell bad games = customers unhappy, bad games returned. "Why did you sell me this game when you knew it was a load of rubbish ??"

This is exactly the problem with the games industry and many other industries at the moment... publishers only back big titles and spend far too much money backing them, cos they figure the less risks taken the better. Highstreet shops have only so much shelf space, so they only stock the games they think will sell really well. The fantastic benefit of online shops is that their storehouses can be anywhere, and therefore much less expensive per sq foot than highstreet shops, so they can afford to stock a much wider range of games - niche market games, out of print games, new developers' games - and it doesn't matter if they don't sell quickly. How could a small publisher or developer possibly have any hope of succeeding if all the outlets take the same stance as you, only cashing in on the really successful games and screwing the rest?

What has this got to do with Eurogamer? They aren't making other online retailers follow their lead. And they stock games they think are good, not because they are 'big'.

I know you're going to say you're not backing the big publishers' favourites, and that you're taking a gamer's point of view (rather than a marketer's) when you decide what games are "good", but that's not good enough. It's still a despotic principal, and it goes against the general idea of free choice. I should be able to buy a crap game if i want to, maybe because it's the only RPG set in cambodia, and that happens to just what i'm looking for, whether it's crap or not. Or any other dumb reason i might want to buy a crap game for. the point is, it should be MY choice, not yours.

See above. If you don't trust their opinions on whats good, don't shop there. I think it's a good idea, if you buy a game from there shop you know there's a very good chance it will be a good buy.

Bear in mind i write this having seen only the comment on the concept page, and not having actually checked to see what titles are available, but that's because it's specifically the concept that i'm furious at.

Yes, I can see why you are so angry, after all they have trampled all over your rights...

monument

Originally posted by Shinji
Monument - um, kinda, but the other way round really. Gameplay aren't using us as a shop front, we're using them as a fulfillment company

i know that, my brain hasn’t woken up today

Dont be at yourself

That's not a grey beard Rob, its your 5 minute stubble. You don't happen to have your CTW oicture on your harddrive, do you?

Wossack

Im also interested in this 'only stock good games' idea... is it good games in which will sell well due to media hype, or actually honest-to-god good games? Daikatana vs Battlezone for example...
Be interesting if I can find a pants game in their catalogue

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by Wossack
Im also interested in this 'only stock good games' idea... is it good games in which will sell well due to media hype, or actually honest-to-god good games? Daikatana vs Battlezone for example...
Be interesting if I can find a pants game in their catalogue

Atm it would be interesting to see if you can find A game in their catelogue

DeadBankClerk

Originally posted by Balfa
Like i said it's just the concept that irks me, and it's one i hope won't be adopted by other retailers.

What the fuck are you waffling about?
*Every* highstreet clothing shop sells only the clothes that they want to sell, and only the clothes that are in fashion. They employ buyers to buy only the kind of clothes that that particular shop wants to sell. Do you moan about 'freedom of choice' in clothes shops?

Go into Game this christmas and watch thousands of mothers buy their kids games consoles, and the latest EA fifa cash cow. Not once will the shopkeepers tell the customer that fifa games are terrible and that ISS games are much better.

In Eurogamer's sales paradigm, you cannot buy bad games, only good ones.

Have you ever been to Richer Sounds? They only sell quality stereo equipment. They refuse to sell midi-systems, they only sell seperates. They offer you your money back if you cannot hear the difference in sound quality. Eurogamer sets up an elite-ist shop in this fashion and you have a 'set my people free' rant.

If you want to buy terrible games, go buy them elsewhere. Eurogamer will be the kind of shop where you buiy ICO and Res, not "Deathmatch Golf" and the kind of games Kevo plays on his Pee Ess Too.

sutty

Leave rob alone, he's an ultra sexy man child!!!!

As for the game shop, I'll take a look later on today when I'm home from work... I need to get a life and get out more on a friday night

Doodee

publishers only back big titles and spend far too much money backing them, cos they figure the less risks taken the better.

omg, you ever been in a business, or an industry, inwhich a risk can be the difference between u having a home the following year.


of course publishers are gonna back games that they believe will reap the greatest financial rewards, its business.
Eurogamer will review games and not be biased, or bought, and so they help curve this by giving you a broadermind.
FFS, if u dont like a game then dont buy it.

and the majourity of publishers will have a ****ing online shop for you to buy yours game sat, so if u cant find it in game then just buy it online.

PLyd on the shop Rob, its good for competition, drives down prices, will you stock X-box stuff though :P

Shinji

Im also interested in this 'only stock good games' idea... is it good games in which will sell well due to media hype, or actually honest-to-god good games? Daikatana vs Battlezone for example...

Actually good games only. We'd stock Battlezone but wouldn't touch Daikatana. We wouldn't have stocked Turok earlier this year despite the hype for it. We won't stock FIFA 2003 because PES2 is a better game.

Basically; if we wouldn't happily reccomend it to a friend who asked for buying advice for games, we won't stock it.

(We came very very close to not stocking Starfox Adventures because it's a disappointing game, it only went in at the last minute because I spoke to some people who've been really enjoying it - so we stock it but we do say very clearly in the listing that it's not as good as it should be, so the buyer has to beware. We're not afraid to say big-name games are rubbish in the interests of honesty.)

Wossack

I really like this idea, (only just checked out the webby now :rolleyes:), I personally hate buying games through ticking names off lists, its nice that you have reviews along side each game (well so promised anyway ). I recomend having all of those magazine awards along side a game name aswell - PC Gamers Editors Choice award usually sells a game to me anyway

Was gonna comment on being able to preorder games, but suppose you can see how a game is recieved in America.. ie, before its available over here.

Its a good concept anyways, and I wish you all the best in the future with it

Thorbar

I think its a good idea but I doubt I'll be doing all my shopping there more likely just use it as a reference point like I would with any mag/web sites top 10 games or editor's pick. I think a reviewer no matter how good they are can sometimes be bias towards or against a game. I usually like to read a few reviews from difference sources before I'll go out and buy a game to get a general idea of what a games like. For instances the review Eurogamer gave mafia only pointed out the flaws in the game yet nearly everyone else was giving it great reviews. I bought the game and even though the flaws mentioned by Eurogamer were annoying it still turned out to be one of the most enjoyable games I've played this year. Having said that Eurogamer's reviews are usually spot on and of a very high standard.

Balfa

Heh, i didn't think i'd been THAT hard on them, but i sure got roasted Let me maybe clear up a few things...

Kaids, "Why did you sell me this game when you knew it was a load of rubbish ??"
Well i did suggest they review everything, good and bad, and still have links to buy the bad games from gameplay. In which case, the answer to the above question is "we warned you before you bought it that it was crap, but we still list it so people can take a risk if they don't think highly of our review or they're looking for something specific that only this game has"

DeadBankClerk - I was really referring to online shops. I know i didn't state it in the particular sentence you quoted, but i had earlier on. I know highstreet stores already do this. If you read my post you'd see i mentioned this specifically.
About the richer sounds thing. Fair play to them. Again, they have limited shelf space and therefore they have to position themselves somewhere in the market. As i mentioned, this doesn't matter in the online selling world, because "shelf space" isn't nearly as limited. See above.

Doodee, all excellent points
Just one thing, the problem with the publisher's website thing is that the buyer has to be aware of the publisher, or the game, first... Reviews aren't just about grading a game... they also draw attention to a game. Everyone knows about EA, cos they have tonnes of money and spend loads on marketing. Smaller publishers may have good games too, but can't spend enough to get the regular buyer to notice the game or their website.

This shouldn't really be a problem cos eurogamer are reviewing all things equally, and not being biased by big budget games, which i knew all along. I hope they make a big effort to find more obscure games to review though; Sometimes a real gem can slip through the net.

I take the same view as Thorbar. I'll be using it only for the reviews, but that won't be the only review i read.

Mark

I think its a good idea, wont waste my time scrawling through games I know to be crap (No amazon, I REALLY dont care about the sims). Nonetheless overseas charges do sting quite a bit so Ill probaly stick with it as a reference.