So Will He Get 5 match ban

yop

To me this story is somewhat similar to Keane situation, diff I know is that Keanes was premeditated so it would not be frowned upon as much but still he admits it.
He said he deserved a free kick!! FFS

What do ye reckon he will get?

http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=116320&clid=3&cpid=8&title=Bergkamp+admits+stamp

Waylander

I don't think it is similar. For starters it was not really a stamp as there was bugger all pressure being put on his foot. Also he was unlikely to injure the other player in that incident. I do not think he should recieve a ban at all, it not a non contact sport. A free kick and a booking against would have been fair enough.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Arsenal fan by any chance Waylander ??

He did stamp on a player, he lashed out and admitted to it, if there was a free kick and a booking then there would be no case for the video trial as the FA only bring these video trials up when they believe that the referee missed something, well that's the guideline anyway.

gandalf

yop you really are grasping at straws here. That incident is no where near as bad as the Keane/Haaland one.

I doubt any action will be taken.

Gandalf.

(AND YES I AM A ARSENAL FAN)

Waylander

Actually No Iam a ManU fan, and also a massive Roy Keane fan. What Cantona did on Monkou/Moncur (always get them mixed up) was a stamp, Bergkamps was technichally a stamp but ther was no pressure applied. He lashed out before the stamp when he kicked out but even that was inoccous enough. The referee did miss it and should have booked Bergkamp, but I think the FA would be wrong to bring him up in front of a video review panel.

Thanx 4 The Fish

They are not wrong to bring him up in front af the review panel. It is because the ref missed the event that it should be brought up to the review panel. He lashed out at the player and then stamped on him, it is the action of stamping on a player which is bringing this down on him, and unfortunately the FA cannot tell how hard/soft the stamp was or for that matter how hard/soft Bergkamp intended it to be.

Waylander

That's funny because I could just from watching it. I know that the ref missed it but I do not feel that the crime is worth bringing him up because I think it should only have been a yellow card in the first place. If they reviewed every potential yellow card desicion that refs let go, it would be a full time job for several panels. We were asked for our opinions in this thread and I have given mine, lets just leave it at that.

yop

that is it Waylander, just want to see for interest what other people thought, Gandalf, not really implying it is the exactly like Keanes but he does admit he stamped so does it not deserve some sort of reprimand.
I would think that it does. In my opinion!!!

It will actually be interesting to see if the reverse smiths red as he did not deserve to go for the 2nd challenge

Xterminator

Originally posted by Waylander
That's funny because I could just from watching it. I know that the ref missed it but I do not feel that the crime is worth bringing him up because I think it should only have been a yellow card in the first place. If they reviewed every potential yellow card desicion that refs let go, it would be a full time job for several panels. We were asked for our opinions in this thread and I have given mine, lets just leave it at that.

I dunno what you base your "It was just a yellow card" case on!

If you raise your hands, or feet, to strike another player, ifs an automatic sending off. Thats the rules.
A sending off gives an automatic ban.

There is no debate there.

The only issue is should an offense missed by the Ref be looked into after the fact, and currently that is what happens when the ref misses a possible serious offense.

Personally I believe he should be banned for whatever no. of matches a straight red would have incurred.

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smackbunnybaby

i don't think anything will be done.

i am however all for repremanding players later on with video evidence,it happens every week in aussie rules.while i wouldnt like to have every second of every game analysed,i do think too many incidents pass unpunished in games.

did anyone ever see that piece of footage where the cameras followed that french defender?gentille around for about 2 minutes?

BKtje

its no wear near as bad as keanes tbh.
Keanes was over something that happend months earlier.
Begkamps was purey outta frustration. That said, he did strike the other player which should result in a ban equal to that of a red card. 3 matches aint it?

Thanx 4 The Fish

Originally posted by Waylander
That's funny because I could just from watching it. I know that the ref missed it but I do not feel that the crime is worth bringing him up because I think it should only have been a yellow card in the first place. If they reviewed every potential yellow card desicion that refs let go, it would be a full time job for several panels. We were asked for our opinions in this thread and I have given mine, lets just leave it at that.

You like everyboy else here has a right to your opinion, and I gave mine, unfortunately our opinions do not influence the workings of the FA disciplinary review panel. He has admitted to stamping and while unlike Roy Keane's, it was not premeditated, he did do it and subsequently admitted to it. If a player swings to hit and doesn't make contact they will still be booked/sent off, just because they missed does not mean that the intent to hit the player wasn't there.

3 matches is the ban for a red card and more if his disciplinary points are pushed above the X disciplinary points threshold as a result of the red card.

Waylander

I am aware of the rules of the game lads, I am just saying that I do not agree with them in this instance. You see tackles and kicks in every other game that cause alot more damage with no reprecussions whatsoever. I think a three match ban is harsh. I also think if the media had not highlighted the incident, or if it had been a player from a lesser club, the FA would not examine it, however I am sure you are right and they will at least examine it this time. By the way I am not against video evidence at all, in fact I would advocate the use of it. I think Alan Smiths tackle on southgate was alot worse, and even though he got sent off, it was for a second booking not a straight red, and even then Gareth Southgate tried to save him from getting sent off. Fair dues to him for that, it is something I would like to see more often.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Yeah it is good to see good sportsmanship (I still don't know how sportsmanship has become a derogatory term in the premiership) creeping back into football. It should be encouraged like Di Canio's was when he caught the ball or Fowler when he appealed against the penalty against Seaman.

I agree that the rules as are do have some flaws but they are better than they used to be and hopefully it will lead onto some nature of video reffing in the game..

Waylander

They are actually pilot testing a fourth official with video replay in Denmark already. They only started a week or two ago, but Sepp Blatter is apparently vehemently against it.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Only because it will be harder for him to influence the ref when a match needs fixing....... allegedly .........

mike65

Bergkamp should be banned for 3 games but proberly wont be...
he's a great player, why does he keep doing these stoopid things?


Mike.

Dustaz

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
(I still don't know how sportsmanship has become a derogatory term in the premiership)

No, Gamesmanship is a derogatory word. Sportsmanship just doesnt happen very often. Fowler appealing against Seamans possible red card, Wegner offering that team (Birmingham? cant remember) a replay cos of Kanus 'unsporting' goal.


As to the question, Only a blinkered idiot would compare this to Keane as there was no pre-meditation involved. Ive seen much worse "lashing out" incidents, but he probably would have been sent off if the ref had seen it.

Red Devil

"Actually No Iam a ManU fan"
Who?
Is that the club that was formed in 1992?
It is a derogatory term

Ronan|Raven

3 matches THE END

and they all lived happily ever after..

Thanx 4 The Fish

Originally posted by Dustaz
Fowler appealing against Seamans possible red card, Wegner offering that team (Birmingham? cant remember) a replay cos of Kanus 'unsporting' goal.

Sheffield United and the goal was scored by Marc Overmars, Kanu set it up.

Waylander

Eh Red Devil were your other three posts such pearls of wisdom also ? For your information Man U is an abbreviation for Manchester United Football Club, very similar to the way Man Utd is. It is abbreviated becasue most people understand that writing Manchester United Football Club takes considerably longer. It is not a derogatry term at all, but people do add the witty endings like "re" to the end so they can make it derogatry.

Red Devil

Waylander, only offering advice!
Sorry to disappoint you but it is a derogatory term. Lots of abbreviations can be used, the Reds, MUFC, the shirts etc but more often than not United is the term of reference which is used(which can even be reduced further....).
Never ever refer to the team or club as Man U, Unless you are a OOT or a JCL.

BKtje

wtf is an OOT or a JCL.

i hear man u fans saying they support man u.
ive even said it ffs.

unless its an irish thing and that in machester its how they slag em off. in that case its a poor derogatroy term.

yop

Never ever refer to the team or club as Man U

What you on about :rolleyes:

In what group of ManU fans have they said to never refer to us as ManU??

Thanx 4 The Fish

Hang about with alot of Man United fans who frequently refer to their supported team as Man U

yop

Hang about with alot of Man United fans who frequently refer to their supported team as Man U

What?

Red Devil

They all must have discovered football in 1992!
No one from Manchester would refer to the club as manu (except a bitter)and the term has lead to a lot of anger about Johnny Come Latelys and Out Of Towners.

The success of the last decade has put the club back where they belong but the people who have jumped on the bandwagon piss off the people who were there when times were not so good.

I think the term originated from cockney reds in the eighties and through Big Ron on ITV became widespread in the mid nineties. Its origin lies in the vocab of OOT and while United supporters have always been proud of the support from all over the world an inabilty to become part of the culture which has surrounded United in the past is a source of regret.

The atmosphere at Old Trafford on a Saturday game is now piss poor due to the punters who come to visit the megastore and eat at the red cafe, in a word the prawn sandwich brigade.
Please Please Please don't use that term.

I am not attemting to tell anyone how to support United but it is a sore point, sorry if i have offended or come across as pedantic

(quote by thanx for the fish)

He did stamp on a player, he lashed out and admitted to it,

he actually admitted to "KICKING" the player not stamping on him. big diff. ps it was more a shrug off as yerman was hanging on to his foot. and ya im an arsenal fan so obviously im going to see his p.o.v

yop

No one from Manchester would refer to the club as manu (except a bitter)and the term has lead to a lot of anger about Johnny Come Latelys and Out Of Towners.

We I am sorry but this is rubbish, I am a member if IMUSA and when I am over there I hear plenty of the hardcore United fans refer to us as Man U. So I am not sure where u are coming from on this point.

I agree about the prawn sarnies, though, it seems to be getting worse all the time, was given an ear bashing by some bird there at the villa match for roaring my head off, stupid cúnt! She was asking who Forlan was!

Waylander

Fair enough Red Devil, but I have never heard that before. I have been a fan of United since they had Moran Mc Grath and Stapleton back in Big Rons days. Even remember thinking back in 1986 that big Ron was the man, and who the F*ck is Alex Ferguson anyway. Thankfully I was proved well wrong! You should bear in mind though, that people over here use that term all the time, perhaps because Big Ron uses it on the telly, and it has always been perfectly acceptable. Anytime we do go over to Old Trafford we are only there over night and are not likely to pick up on something like that.

Red Devil

Sorry for appearing like a right **** but when you see something in print it appears more direct.
good to see that you know your history! If you are staying in Manchester the IBIS on Charles st and Portland St have great prices at the moment. About €70 for a room for two but will sleep 4 with sleeping bags.
Tried to set up a branch of IMUSA about 4 years ago for Ireland but got very little replies.
For my sake try not to use the "term" on this forum there is enough scouse filth and leeds scum to deal with;)
Have been told to shut up on Saturdays also
Midweek games are still good, every club is the same, at least we don't boo the players off the pitch like "Unfilled" last night

Dustaz

I love the way Man U fans assume ownership of every topic and fill it with the most unutterable rubbish when the thought pleases them.


RedDevil, Im assuming your actually from Manchester otherwise you sound a little hypoctritical. You do know that without your Johnny Come Latelys and your Out Of Towners that Man U would still be the underachieving bunch of alcoholics that they were when they were making up the numbers in the first division?

Do you make a distinction in Johnny Come Latelys? Is it ok to have supported Man U when they were crap, but not now? Suppose a Johnny Come REALLY lately bought up the club and provided some much needed cash to boost the squad.... oh wait, thats already happened hasnt it.

And as for those dirty Out Of Towners.... yeh, i agree. I hate Beckham and Giggs too. I wish theyd bog off back to where they came from, taking jobs from manchester people the way they do.

gandalf

Oiii

Dustaz stop been a rude twat yourself. Remember one of the rules is try and be civil to each other. Any more of this and I'll red card you for a week.

Regarding the thread I would prefer you lot to start another thread about United and their fairweather fans rather than vear this off topic.

Gandalf.

(btw any reactions and I will ban the offending person as well!)

Dustaz

Sorry.

I apologise for being offensive.


Gandalf, feel free to prune my post further if you deem it nessecary (i cut out the offenisve words) and let the discussion go on please. I stand over the rest of what i said. Maybe i picked up devil wrong but he appeared to be advocating football elitism to a disgusting level. I really would be interested in his replies.

Again , apologies for being offensive, and im trying not to tempt a ban with this post

(ps, if you dont lock it, split it into a new topic? It was the OT'ness that got me going in the first place )

Red Devil

Gandalf or any of the moderators,
Could you split the thread so that I might attempt to clarify my elitism on a "disgusting" level.

By the way Dustaz, Giggs grew up in Salford.
I made reference to the fact that United have always had international support (only Barcelona and Juve come close), I never claimed or even hinted that it was something not to be proud of.

I will clarify and elaborate when the thread is split

kaimera

He's been caught on cam doing it before so as it's not his first time...3 match ban imo

yop

The FA have charged Arsenal striker Dennis Bergkamp with violent conduct.


The charge relates to an incident involving Blackburn defender Nils-Eric Johansson, with the Dutch striker appearing to stamp on the Swede in the Gunners' 2-1 defeat at Highbury.

Referee Graham Barber saw the incident but decided to take no further action.

But the FA have viewed the video and Bergkamp could now face a three-match ban if found guilty.

A statement on the FA's website read: `The FA can confirm that Dennis Bergkamp has been charged with violent conduct under FA Rule E2 following an incident involving Blackburn Rovers' Nils-Eric Johansson during the Arsenal-Blackburn Premiership match at Highbury on October 26.

`He has 14 days in which to respond.'

Bergkamp had claimed the alleged stamp had only come to light because of over-examination by television replays.

He said: `I don't understand it - on the pitch there was nothing really wrong. The referee seemed to see everything.

`I picked the player up and there was nothing really wrong. The referee was very close to it and he came up to me and said `calm down' and I calmed down.

`Then I heard the next day that it was on the TV and I thought `Okay, who is making those decisions? Who is putting it on the television?'

`Then you read about stamping. It is such a serious word - but there was nothing in it. They are trying to make something out of nothing.'