Sick ****ers

bubbles

http://www.indian-express.com/full_story.php?content_id=8888

Take a gander at that...alot of ****ed up sick minded ****s in this world...

Beruthiel

not a lot you can say to that Bubbles, this sort of **** happens every day somewhere in the world, makes you wonder how we got this far... Joining Amnesty Int. makes you at least feel like you're doing something

eth0_

If you think that's bad, read some of the South African news stories on iol.co.za I remember reading stories there of week old babies being raped because some people there believe sex with a virgin will cure their HIV/AIDS. And another where a woman was attacked by a man, he stuck his hand up her and pulled out her intestines and left her to die...which she did.

There are a LOT of sick people in this world.

Blade

People in 3rd world countries are just uneducated savages, much like we would have been upto 200 years ago. Thats how far behind they are, thats why I say the sooner these places are westernised the better. I know theres many problems with westernisation but it's a hell of a lot better than having ignorant jungle bunnies running amok on innocent people. What doesn't help the situation either in these countries is that their Governments are corrupt as f*ck and couldn't care less whats going on. Africa is of more concern to us because they're so close to Europe and a lot of people with this savage mentality from there are coming into Europe.

Bateman

>People in 3rd world countries are just uneducated savages

Thats a bit harsh, Ian Huntley doesn't come from a 3rd World country. Hindley, Brady, West....Le Pen...

Blade

When people in western countries comit a crime of rape, torture or murder they're hunted down and imprisoned as soon as possible to stop them doing it again. In most 3rd world countries Governments couldn't care less and allow this to happen. This is why it's happening there on a much larger scale than it is in the west. Police and army personell are often responsible for these acts and theres no one to stop them. Do you think you'd see that kind of rampage going on in a western town? Course theres people like that in the west but you don't see armies of rebels and police running amock raping and mutilating 100's of women and children in Soham do you?

mofu

I am from South Africa and moved here last year. K, i know the witch doctors do some strage stuff. There is also a lot of crime there but other than that its a great place to live. Things like that do not happen in the towns and cities only in the rural areas where there are tribes. But I am not even completly sure that is true. BTW South africa I dont think is a 3rd World country. It is a great place to live. The government is corrupt though:mad:

mofu

BTW I do believe that there are sick people in every country not only the third world countries, although there might not be as many, there are some. Anyone agree?

Blade

Exactly what I said that theres not as many in Western countries because we have better education and we don't believe that raping a child will clear AIDS. Also I believe that power corrupts people and that if someone with any kind of power can do something and get away with it then the chances are they'll do it, especially when theres no one above them that could be bothered stopping them. Thats the difference between 3rd world countries and western countries, they're much less likely to get away with anything like that here. Thats why Hindley and Co. are behind bars where as most of these people who commit such atrocities elsewhere are running around scott free continuing to indulge themselves in whatever sick ways they want.

Turnip

Talking about savages, I was on holiday in Greece and Italy last year with my girlfriend and she had a terrible time because she couldn't go anywhere on her own without being harrassed and pawed by greasy spick bastards. Even the police. Woman hating scum the lot of them. Irishmen get criticised for being too shy with women but I'd prefer us to be shy than be aggressive sleazy slimy **** like the Greeks or Italians.

What happened in India is similar to what happened in the war in Bosnia. There you had supposedly civilised people raping torturing and killing innocent people for fun just because they could. There's no need to point out that the holocaust was the work of a people from a civilised educated European country. And the Russians systematically raped every woman they could find when they entered Germany.

So savagery is not unique to the thrid world. If anything Europeans do if far better.

DapperGent

Violence in India is more about people who have different religions (Hindu and Moslem with Sikhism thrown in for good measure) and cultures living side by side - hating, distrusting and demonising the other community.

Rather than blame poverty and ignorance (though they are a factor) I blame religion. If there was a rampant outbreak of atheism throughout the world I reckon we'd be the better for it.

Blade

Originally posted by Turnip
Talking about savages, I was on holiday in Greece and Italy last year with my girlfriend and she had a terrible time because she couldn't go anywhere on her own without being harrassed and pawed by greasy spick bastards. Even the police. Woman hating scum the lot of them. Irishmen get criticised for being too shy with women but I'd prefer us to be shy than be aggressive sleazy slimy **** like the Greeks or Italians.

I'm Italian and I resent your rascist remarks for a start. Secondly any women I've spoken to love Italian men and the way they go on with women, it's called charm and it sounds to me like your just jealous of handsom men having a go at your girlfriend, your obviously intimidated by their good looks, thought I'm sure your girlfriend told you she hated the attention just to make you feel good.

These 'Savages' you describe hardly put themselves in the same category as murderers and rapists just by chatting up your girlfriend, so why don't you try and stay on topic instead of talking cr@p.

They don't hate women, far from it. I agree however that if there was anarchy in Italy and Greece that they would be seriously dangerous places for women! Lucky for your G/F that Italy isn't a 3rd world country.

Originally posted by Turnip
What happened in India is similar to what happened in the war in Bosnia. There you had supposedly civilised people raping torturing and killing innocent people for fun just because they could. There's no need to point out that the holocaust was the work of a people from a civilised educated European country. And the Russians systematically raped every woman they could find when they entered Germany.

So savagery is not unique to the thrid world. If anything Europeans do if far better.

Russia and Bosnia are not Western countries they're Eastern European, read my posts properly please, I didn't say Europe. Germans were brainwashed and the event happened a good few years ago and will never happen again, this has nothing to do with the world we live in today. Again try to stay on topic please.

Augmerson

Originally posted by Blade
Thats why Hindley and Co. are behind bars where as most of these people who commit such atrocities elsewhere are running around scott free continuing to indulge themselves in whatever sick ways they want.

Being in a "Western" nation doesnt mean Justice always prevails. And neither does it mean we are any safer. We can catch the criminal, but we cannot prevent the future crime/criminal.

*Ahem* Harold Shipman. Jon Venables and Robert Thompson...*Cough*Jeremy Strohmeyer. Lousie Woodward anyone?

Canada is a western nation isnt it?
Check this out then

Shinji

Jesus christ, we may not be breeding savagery in the western world but we sure as hell seem to be encouraging stupidity.

What on earth makes anyone think that the fact that people like (as yet unconvicted and thus assumed innocent) Ian Huntley or (behind bars for most of her adult life for a crime she was merely an accomplice to) Myra Hindley exist in our society puts us on the same kind of level as this sort of thing? What amount of crack do you have to smoke to even come up with that sort of argument?

We all know our society isn't perfect, but we can sure as hell stand up and point at the kind of thing linked here and say "that's backwards, evil and perpetrated by savages" in the absolute certainty that we are, fundamentally, Right. It's that god damned simple. There's no wussy wrist-flapping argument to it.

Yes our society has created monsters, but we recognise them as monsters and we deal with them. A society which institutionalises the actions of monsters and calls them "normal" is a bit bloody different - and Blade is completely right, for the most part these are third world countries which are frankly packed to the gills with savages.

Not every third world country is like this but at the end of the day the majority of them don't seem to be able to rule themselves. It's not politically correct to say it, but the end of colonialism is the worst thing that could have happened to a lot of the allegedly-developing world...

DapperGent

For the most part I agree with you Shinji but I think it's a little too simple to say that everything would be okay if the third world was still colonised.

It just as easy to say everything would be okay if the third world had never been colonised. Race relations in India would certainly (IMO) be a lot better if a few hundred years of British divide and conquer hadn't happened.

Holding the third world totally at fault for its own horrors is to ignore the burden of history, thats not politically correct it's just fact.

[Aside]
Isn't there a school of thought (and some proof at her trial) that Myra Hindley was a bit more than an accomplice in the Moors murders?
She's an old woman with angina and IMO shouldn't be forced to die in prison and should have been paroled some time ago, but in all fairness would you like to be the home secretary who orders her release?
[/Aside]

Turnip

Originally posted by Blade

I'm Italian and I resent your rascist remarks for a start. Secondly any women I've spoken to love Italian men and the way they go on with women, it's called charm and it sounds to me like your just jealous of handsom men having a go at your girlfriend, your obviously intimidated by their good looks, thought I'm sure your girlfriend told you she hated the attention just to make you feel good.

It's not racist to point out the truth. She's no prude. She thought it was funny the first couple of times but when it happened every single time she was alone she got distressed.

These 'Savages' you describe hardly put themselves in the same category as murderers and rapists just by chatting up your girlfriend, so why don't you try and stay on topic instead of talking cr@p.

I regard men who go out of their way to intimidate women as savages. They're on a pathetic little power trip. People in the third world have an excuse for savage and ignorant behaviour, westerners do not.

They don't hate women, far from it. I agree however that if there was anarchy in Italy and Greece that they would be seriously dangerous places for women! Lucky for your G/F that Italy isn't a 3rd world country.

We've been to third world countries on holiday and never got a fraction of the hassle we got in Greece and Italy - so called civilised countries. Yes they do hate women. If they saw some big black guy bothering or feeling up their sister (or their mama in public they'd probably go and kick his head in. And rightly so. But if they do it, it's ok. She was asking for it your honour. Going out dressed like that.

Russia and Bosnia are not Western countries they're Eastern European, read my posts properly please, I didn't say Europe. Germans were brainwashed and the event happened a good few years ago and will never happen again, this has nothing to do with the world we live in today. Again try to stay on topic please.

I had that childish "it'll never happen again" attitude until I saw what happened after the break up of Yugoslavia. As far as I'm concerned all European caucasian countries are western. You have a very ignorant view of history if you think mass extermination will never happen again. It's human nature to conquer and dominate. Once law and order are absent or else power is concentrated in the hands of a few ideologues then we'll see mass murder. Hopefully not in our lifetime.

Turnip

Originally posted by Shinji
Not every third world country is like this but at the end of the day the majority of them don't seem to be able to rule themselves. It's not politically correct to say it, but the end of colonialism is the worst thing that could have happened to a lot of the allegedly-developing world...

LOL. Thank you Richard Littlejohn....

Remember that the English believed that the Irish were "more like squalid apes than human beings." Not so very long ago.

Shinji

LOL. Thank you Richard Littlejohn....

I don't like him any more than you do mate, but that doesn't make what I said any less true. The vast majority of African states were better off being ruled by European nations. A /real/ solution would have taken well over a century of gradual power-sharing and handover in order to get the native people used to the concepts and execution of western democracy. As it is, a hell of a lot of them are now in a worse situation than they were before the Europeans arrived at all; they're back to the kind of savage tribal warfare and so on which existed beforehand, except now they have automatic weapons. Joy.

Turnip

Shinji, you're ignoring the effect the cold war had on countries in africa. And what would happen if a few natives got above themselves and decided they didn't like this 'power sharing' arrangement? What if they discovered that they were being robbed blind for their own good? You'd have to do what the old colonialists did - bung them into camps, shoot them or starve them by the million. But hey, that's ok because they're savages. How else do you stop them getting above themselves?

I dunno what the solution is. More free trade for a start maybe. But no alien political system can be forced on any people against their will without massive consequences.

po0k

During the Cold war the African nations were pretty much used as a testing ground/aggrevated market by the russians and americans to sell obsolete weaponry instead of just dumping it.

Hairy Homer

I cannot believe some of the **** posted here. Less than a decade of globalised affluence and now we're going back a century to the Kipling vision of 'the white man's burden'. Was it for this that our taxes funded our education system?

Ignorant savages were better off under colonial rule my big fat hairy arse. Cast your own mind back people. One hundred and fifty years ago we were an integral part of the strongest empire in the world. Yet the poorest section of our population starved in their millions and a tide of emigration was initiated which saw the overall population of the country halve in century. This over a period when the overall number of people in the planet was mushrooming.

However much we look down our noses at the gob****es in Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, Progos, Clann na Poblachta, Cumman na nGaedhal etc etc, at least they didn't let our people starve.

Off course in polite society it was all our own fault. Check out the Punch Cartoons of the time. The simian featured savages clubbing the crap out of each other? That's us they're talking about.

And when we tried doing something about it? Terrorists! Murderers! Why can't you agitate peacefully? Why not indeed? Get a load of some of the things they said about the pacifist Daniel O' Connell. 'Scum condensed of Irish bog etc etc' (the Web will throw up some interesting examples)

Sure the developing world has its problems. Not least those caused by colonialism which is development of one country's resources for the benefit of another. So just as Ireland had a bumper grain harvest in the first year of the Great Famine—all of which was exported of course—so too did many colonised countries have highly developed gold mines, tea plantations, oil refineries etc but at what a price?

Why are the majority of NI policemen protestants? Why do Sikhs still form a disproportionate part of the Indian army? Why is Syria still ruled by a clique from a small religious minority detested by most Muslims? Why were the majority of Cypriot policemen from the minority Turkish community when Britain bestowed its enlightened rule on that island?

Because of the concept of divide and rule and the simple ruthless expedient of exploiting the weaknesses of the countries you ruled.

There's one thing I would copy from Britain. It still has the death penalty for treason. I reckon that any Irishman who advocates colonialism as a cure for developing countries' problems is a traitor to this country, its ideals of independence and equality, and its position among the free nations of the earth.

Naturally, we don't have the death penalty at all here (we are a civilised people despite the Punch cartoons) but a suitable punishment that would express a similar degree of public revulsion would be in order. Sweeping our streets or cleaning up our environment could be a good one.

And as for that Italian prat. Your boys didn't have too much success trying to er 'civilise' the Africans did they? Something to do with your tanks having four reverse gears and only one forward one, I expect.

Still, I'm sure they looked great and the girls all fancied the drivers.

Turnip

Originally posted by Hairy Homer
And as for that Italian prat. Your boys didn't have too much success trying to er 'civilise' the Africans did they? Something to do with your tanks having four reverse gears and only one forward one, I expect.

Still, I'm sure they looked great and the girls all fancied the drivers.

Ah yes, let's not overlook Italy's two big contributions to modern civilisation - fascism and the mafia. Thanks a lot. President Bush is meeting Mr.Berlusconi apparently. If the Italians join the coalition to take out Saddam, then may god help us all. They'll either surrender en masse without firing a shot or switch sides.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by Hairy Homer
And as for that Italian prat. Your boys didn't have too much success trying to er 'civilise' the Africans did they? Something to do with your tanks having four reverse gears and only one forward one, I expect.

Other than being offensive, I find it very amusing coming from someone who I assume is from a country that remained ‘neutral’ during WW2. Tell me what a hero your granddad was during the ‘Emergency’. Again, I assume you know who he was...

Originally posted by Turnip
Ah yes, let's not overlook Italy's two big contributions to modern civilisation - fascism and the mafia. Thanks a lot.

You really are remarkably stupid Turnip.

Now, if you intend responding, do so without using the alphabet we gave you.

DapperGent

Hairy Homer for someone who claims to be patriotic, you seem to be unable to express your love for Ireland without referring to Britain. It's seems you define our country by what Britain did to us not by what we are.

Either you lack imagination or you're not as patriotic as you think you are.

Turnip

Originally posted by The Corinthian

Other than being offensive, I find it very amusing coming from someone who I assume is from a country that remained ‘neutral’ during WW2. Tell me what a hero your granddad was during the ‘Emergency’. Again, I assume you know who he was...

You really are remarkably stupid Turnip.

Now, if you intend responding, do so without using the alphabet we gave you.

:rolleyes:

When I say 'modern' I do mean less than two thousand years ago. Get a grip.

So what if Ireland stayed neutral? The US was neutral for over two years until it was attacked directly.

What I find quite offensive is that someone from Italy (which gave us the most infamous crime organisation in the world) is accusing 'jungle bunnies' (that's not a racist term is it Blade? of being corrupt from the bottom up.

Pot? Kettle?

Talliesin

People in 3rd world countries are just uneducated savages

- Once you've produced a body of literary work to compete with Jorge Luis Borges you are entitled to consider the citizens of the 3rd world uneducated. Until then STFU.

Ah yes, let's not overlook Italy's two big contributions to modern civilisation - fascism and the mafia.

Whereas of course here in Ireland we tried to run the Jews out of Cork in the 1920s, had the Bishops head down from Maynooth to Dun Laoghaire to bless voluntarily-enlisted Fascist soldiers and in America the Mafia often had hired thugs of Irish extraction.

So really the only difference between the Italian fascists and mobsters was that they were better at it.

Turnip

Originally posted by Talliesin
Whereas of course here in Ireland we tried to run the Jews out of Cork in the 1920s, had the Bishops head down from Maynooth to Dun Laoghaire to bless voluntarily-enlisted Fascist soldiers and in America the Mafia often had hired thugs of Irish extraction.

So really the only difference between the Italian fascists and mobsters was that they were better at it.

Anti-semitism was not ever a state policy in Ireland. More Irishmen enlisted on the anti-Franco side actually. Those that joined the fascist side will freely admit they believed they were defending catholicism from the atheistic communists.

In the US, the Irish went from crime into politics, the Italians stayed in crime.

DapperGent

Originally posted by Turnip
So what if Ireland stayed neutral? The US was neutral for over two years until it was attacked directly.

At least the President of the USA didn't sign a book of condolences for Hitler.

Comparing corruption and crime levels in Italy to that of Africa is idiotic.

But I guess you know all about the Mafia because you like watched Goodfellas and like The Godfather like 50 times and they totally rocked. You've also been keeping up on current affairs by buying the Sopranos boxset. What'll that crazy Tony do next eh?

You fúcking idiot.

Talliesin

Anti-semitism was not ever a state policy in Ireland

Irish anti-semites never needed it to be state policy.

Those that joined the fascist side will freely admit they believed they were defending catholicism from the atheistic communists.

Ah, so it was all in the name of religious supremacy, that's okay then.

In the US, the Irish went from crime into politics

Every criminal in the Irish-American community went into politics? Of course some certainly went into both.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by Turnip
When I say 'modern' I do mean less than two thousand years ago. Get a grip.

The Latin alphabet has had no effect to modern civilisation. Right. Dante, Galileo and De Vinci too long ago for you? How about Montessori, Eco, Fellini, Marconi (who incidentally was also half Irish) or Agnelli?

You don’t hear Italians moaning on about 1,400 years of German/Spanish/Austrian occupation and using it as an excuse for any national shortcomings ad nausium.

So what if Ireland stayed neutral? The US was neutral for over two years until it was attacked directly.

Sure, but the US did get involved. On the other hand yourself and Hairy Homer have decided to make a national stereotype from the perspective of a nation that could be argued not to have had the balls to get involved. It’s easy to make judgments from behind a hedge.

What I find quite offensive is that someone from Italy (which gave us the most infamous crime organisation in the world) is accusing 'jungle bunnies' (that's not a racist term is it Blade? of being corrupt from the bottom up.

As opposed to someone from Ireland (which gave us the most infamous terrorist organisation in the world) of accusing us ‘greasy spick bastards’ (that is your racist term) of being corrupt from the bottom up. Pot? Kettle?

In the US, the Irish went from crime into politics, the Italians stayed in crime.

Just ask Rudolph Giuliani.

Yes. You are remarkably stupid.

Turnip

Originally posted by The Corinthian
You don’t hear Italians moaning on about 1,400 years of German/Spanish/Austrian occupation and using it as an excuse for any national shortcomings ad nausium.

Err, well Italians seem to still harbour imperial Roman fantasies if I'm not mistaken.

Sure, but the US did get involved. On the other hand yourself and Hairy Homer have decided to make a national stereotype from the perspective of a nation that could be argued not to have had the balls to get involved. It’s easy to make judgments from behind a hedge.

Ah here, look dopey, it's quite simple. Ireland could easily have joined with the nazis to put the boot into the British the auld enemy, especially since the war started so well for herr Hitler and co. Joining with the British would have ensured that Ireland's cities got flattened. However joining with either side probably would have restarted the civil war. While you're living in this country you obviously have no respect for, you could take a few hours to read some of our history. The Irish did show they had quite a lot of balls (what's this Italian obsession about your balls?) by standing up to Churchill's repeated threats of invasion. I'm quite proud that our little country decided it wouldn't be pushed around by an empire like Britain or despicable clowns like Hitler and Mussolini.

As opposed to someone from Ireland (which gave us the most infamous terrorist organisation in the world) of accusing us ‘greasy spick bastards’ (that is your racist term) of being corrupt from the bottom up. Pot? Kettle?

Re: IRA - A sad despicable shower these days but won our independence for us by being yes 'terrorists.' Yawn.

Re: 'greasy spick bastard' comment - You're obviously too thick to spot irony.

Turnip

Originally posted by DapperGent
At least the President of the USA didn't sign a book of condolences for Hitler.

Ah that ol chestnut wheeled out by the ignorant. Dev was a gent and a statesman. At least he didn't go around dropping atomic bombs on civilians. Even with the benefit o hindsight, which act was more morally reprehensible do you think? Hmm?

Signing a f**king book? Rrrrright. I hadn't got much sympathy for the japs but for christs sake....

Comparing corruption and crime levels in Italy to that of Africa is idiotic.

LOL! Corruption and crime are ingrained in Italy. Unless the mafia don't actually exist outside my own imagination.

You fúcking idiot.

See my sig. And where's your manners?

Talliesin

While you're living in this country you obviously have no respect for, you could take a few hours to read some of our history.

I don't see evidence of his lacking respect for this country. Lack of respect for you yes, but that's pretty understandable.

If you have spent as long reading our history as you indicate you will know that there were factions that wanted to side with Germany (The German film Mein Leiber für Ireland was obviously intended to prepare the German public for such an alliance), those who wanted to side with England and further that those who wanted to remain neutral were split on whether to take advantage of the situation and invade the North.

It's possible this may be surprising to you on some level of your psyche even if you are already consciously aware of it all because it would suggest that the actions and opinions of an individual aren't entirely predicated on their nationality. Wow freaky thought, huh?

amp

Y'know, when I first saw this thread, I thought to myself "amp, you're going to eventually have to lock that" and by God I was right.

Locked due to the fact that it's gone wildly off-topic and is now basically a slagging match.