eircom adsl PINGS

melachi · 09-09-2002 11:30am #1

Just wondering if anyone has called eircom about the horrible pings you get. Paying this much for ADSL I want proper ADSL pings when gaming. Just want to know if anyone has called about them and what did they say?
Cause I cba wasting my valuable time calling them when I've got pr0n to watch.

Meh · 09-09-2002 12:06pm

I believe the particular implementation of DSL that Eircom use allows greater distances from the exchange, at the expense of higher pings.

Dustaz · 09-09-2002 12:33pm

Hmm, actually my ping has dropped in the last few weeks.

I get about 30-40 to irish servers now.

m1ke · 09-09-2002 1:39pm

ohthe ping has been the only thing really holding me off getting dsl atm, you couldnt do a few tracerts if you've time dustz or mel ? and post them up here or pm me or something. Just ones to uk servers like jolt,barrysworld and any irish servers around. CHeers.

ando · 09-09-2002 2:08pm

Originally posted by Dustaz
Hmm, actually my ping has dropped in the last few weeks.

I get about 30-40 to irish servers now.

I got '4' to BW on 64k isdn yesturday.. no really, i did (got a screenshot iswell)

Must of been something strange going on in the background, cause even though I saw it, i dont believe it !

Gerry · 09-09-2002 2:20pm

I think theres a setting in the exchange which causes eircom adsl to resend packets a few times, every time, making your ping crap. Perhaps someone else will know more about this. Apparently its a per user setting, so you could ask your local engineer to switch it off.

BKtje · 09-09-2002 5:18pm

Ando: where about did you get the 4 ping?
in game or dos ping?

If it was in game i wouldnt believe it as its just the games netcode miss reading it.
If it was dos ping, what isp u using?

melachi · 09-09-2002 5:27pm

Tracing route to 159.134.244.159 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 50 ms 46 ms 48 ms c104-1.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.104.1
]
2 47 ms 48 ms 46 ms fa0-0.edge1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.9
7]
3 51 ms 48 ms 47 ms pos1-0.btr1.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.1
45]
4 51 ms 50 ms 48 ms fa0-0.service2.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.19
1.71]
5 52 ms 52 ms 49 ms 159.134.244.159

bricks · 09-09-2002 6:50pm

Tracing route to 159.134.244.159 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms gateway [192.168.0.120]
2 50 ms 49 ms 54 ms r96-1.bas1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.96.1]

3 51 ms 53 ms 49 ms fa0-1.edge1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.7
3]
4 51 ms 50 ms 53 ms pos4-0.btr1.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.1
29]
5 50 ms 53 ms 50 ms fa0-0.service2.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.19
1.71]
6 51 ms 49 ms 54 ms 159.134.244.159

Trace complete.

54ms seems good to me.
Maybe they changed the settings around a bit, I think it used to be higher.
I never have any noticable problems with Warcraft III in multiplayer. Must try UT and see what its like.
What'd be interesting to try would be a multiplayer between 2 istream users. Ping would then be 100ms+

segadreamcast · 09-09-2002 7:00pm

Ooo, I'm getting all excited and tingly now...

ADSL Man is coming in the next few days...

ando · 09-09-2002 8:03pm

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
Ando: where about did you get the 4 ping?
in game or dos ping?

in game, I don't believe it for a second, but it was nice to see it

BTW,

C:\>ping 159.134.244.159

Pinging 159.134.244.159 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=252
Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=252
Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=252
Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=252

Ping statistics for 159.134.244.159:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 20ms, Maximum = 160ms, Average = 55ms

64k isdn

BKtje · 09-09-2002 9:06pm

Tracing route to 159.134.244.159 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 30 ms 40 ms 30 ms as1.adl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.238.24]
2 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms fa1-0.tr1.adl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.238.1]

3 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms fa1-1-0.core2.adl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.240
.12]
4 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms s0-1-1.core1.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.192.
245]
5 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms fa0-0.service2.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.19
1.71]
6 30 ms 40 ms 30 ms 159.134.244.159

Ping statistics for 159.134.244.159:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 20ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 22ms

Still a huge difference between DSL and ISDN. That tracert is taken on the Eircom isp over an eircom line.

seems to be about 10-20ms less than dsl. I always thought DSL was supposed to have faster latency. Obviously Eircom still have it set up for more reliable packets (or whatever

)

Coyote · 09-09-2002 9:09pm

Interleaving
thats the problem it's used as error control at the dslam.
I'm planing on calling eircom and asking them to turn it off.
will let you know what happends.
link to quote

"Interleaving" is an error control mechanism of ADSL with DMT line encoding. DMT is now the standard for ADSL, and is by far and away the most prevalent form of ADSL. Interleaving buffers the raw data and corrects errors on the fly at the DSLAM. This can significantly help marginal loops that may be prone to errors. The downside is that this buffering also adds significant latency to the connection. So for those with reasonable quality lines, interleaving is of no real benefit, and may actually slow things down unnecessarily.

Interleaving is an adjustable parameter and can be turned on or off by the telco. Most telcos seem to like to have this on by default, since it probably reduces tech support calls in those cases where it does help stabilize a line. But everyone else is paying a price.

How to know if your line is interleaved or not, and how to change it? Good question. Generally speaking, if your first hop or two on a traceroute is less than 25ms or so, you can pretty much figure that interleaving is off. But there may be other factors such as how far away those hops actually are. The only real way to know is to talk to someone at the telco. This may prove easier said than done.

"FastPath" DMT is synonymous with "interleaving off". Again, this only applies to ADSL/DMT.

Coyote

melachi · 10-09-2002 7:26am

Coyote:
Very interesting, reply to this thread as soon as you've called

DzR:
I had 5-10 ping to my ISP with ADSL in Sweden.
So yes, there's definetely something wrong. Paying this much I WANT IT TO BE WORKING PROPERLY!

Gerry · 10-09-2002 10:30am

If your local engineer is at all sound, and they realise you know your stuff, they won't have a problem switching it off. Its not something that eircom management would know anything about, or have any control over I would say.

Pimp · 10-09-2002 6:11pm

Just gave Eircom a call about this, said a friend told me about it, he then asked me do i read Boards.ie :P

Anyway, he is gonna look into it, as they need to find out if they can do it on an indivdual basis or the whole exchnge, and will get back to me tomorrow.
PS He had someone else asking about it today, so it might not be any harm for a few more DSL peeps to phone up and enquire

Pimp

segadreamcast · 10-09-2002 6:31pm

Hmmmm...

Should I continuously bother the engineer about this on Friday while I attempt to make him a cup of tea or whatever?

"Here's a biscuit

"
"Ping of 30..."
"And a sandwich..."
"Hmmm, 1024/256k line for you sir!"

Oh the possibilities...

leeroybrown · 10-09-2002 6:37pm

quote:
Originally posted by B-K-DzR
Ando: where about did you get the 4 ping?
in game or dos ping?

in game, I don't believe it for a second, but it was nice to see it

BTW,

C:\>ping 159.134.244.159

Pinging 159.134.244.159 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=252
Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=252
Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=252
Reply from 159.134.244.159: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=252

Ping statistics for 159.134.244.159:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 20ms, Maximum = 160ms, Average = 55ms

64k isdn

Not a ping of 4!!!

4 packets sent, 4 recieved

Average round trip of 55ms

Ping of 20 at best!

segadreamcast · 10-09-2002 6:59pm

I can't believe people can't read pings and make sense of them...

No offence but... wow.

Wossack · 10-09-2002 7:23pm

Originally posted by NoelRock
I can't believe people can't read pings and make sense of them...

No offence but... wow.

Or people who cant read posts <cough cough>

segadreamcast · 10-09-2002 7:28pm

I got '4' to BW on 64k isdn yesturday.. no really, i did (got a screenshot iswell)

If you had read the thread as it unfolded - you would've probably came to the same conclusion as me :rolleyes:

melachi · 10-09-2002 8:27pm

Originally posted by Pimp
Just gave Eircom a call about this, said a friend told me about it, he then asked me do i read Boards.ie :P

Anyway, he is gonna look into it, as they need to find out if they can do it on an indivdual basis or the whole exchnge, and will get back to me tomorrow.
PS He had someone else asking about it today, so it might not be any harm for a few more DSL peeps to phone up and enquire

Pimp

cool, I'll do the same.

"A FRIEND TOLD ME.."

melachi · 10-09-2002 8:28pm

Originally posted by Pimp
Just gave Eircom a call about this, said a friend told me about it, he then asked me do i read Boards.ie :P

Anyway, he is gonna look into it, as they need to find out if they can do it on an indivdual basis or the whole exchnge, and will get back to me tomorrow.
PS He had someone else asking about it today, so it might not be any harm for a few more DSL peeps to phone up and enquire

Pimp

cool, I'll do the same.

"A FRIEND TOLD ME.."

Post here when he gets back to ya.

In what area are you in btw?

melachi · 12-09-2002 11:49am

So, what's up.. anything happend yet?

Pimp · 12-09-2002 3:59pm

Sorry for not getting back, hdd crashed, needed a reformat, and hadnt got around to activating my account again.

Anyway Eircom got back to me, and said that they were unable to turn off interleaving on an indivual basis, and are unwilling to turn it off on the whole exchange.

Pimp

melachi · 12-09-2002 4:31pm

****ing ****s.

CUYNTS
****S
JOKFSDKLGDLÖKGopkgdokpfpokåhködshkld pfgdsl f'sd'g sföd

IM PISSED OFF

IM MOVING BACK TO SWEDEN.

Wossack · 13-09-2002 1:45pm

Unable to turn it off on an individual basis? Surely someones got it turned off
for them or it wouldnt be even talked about/recommended.....?

Otherwise, book me a ticket to Sweden :mad:

:mad:

melachi · 13-09-2002 5:37pm

It was brought up cause someone read it in an article which was most likely not talking about €ircom ADSL specifically. I suppose any decent ISP would agree turning it off.. but this is €ircom we're dealing with here. **** ****ing whores they are.

ando · 13-09-2002 6:35pm

stop complaining and be happy with what you got :rolleyes:

melachi · 13-09-2002 10:26pm

Ok, I'm going to ignore that lacking comment.

Dustaz · 14-09-2002 12:07am

Originally posted by ando
stop complaining and be happy with what you got :rolleyes:

I think the point of this thread is that people are not complaining about what theyve 'got' but rather 'what they are paying 107 euro a month for'.

melachi · 14-09-2002 4:46pm

€169 here.. since I'd exceed their silly download caps.

segadreamcast · 14-09-2002 6:00pm

Originally posted by Dustaz

I think the point of this thread is that people are not complaining about what theyve 'got' but rather 'what they are paying 107 euro a month for'.

Well I WOULD give that much to get adsl - but I can't, despite living in an urban region of dublin, being a tiny distance from the exchange, and having an already great line quality (not to mention the fact that I've passed every line test in the last three months.)

So while you're all moaning about your pings - a hell of a lot of us, like me, are thinking 'jeez, be happy with what you have - we've got 56k'

Overlord · 14-09-2002 7:38pm

Originally posted by NoelRock

Well I WOULD give that much to get adsl - but I can't, despite living in an urban region of dublin, being a tiny distance from the exchange, and having an already great line quality (not to mention the fact that I've passed every line test in the last three months.)

So while you're all moaning about your pings - a hell of a lot of us, like me, are thinking 'jeez, be happy with what you have - we've got 56k'

and thats why eircom do so well. People like you Noel, just happy to get the crumbs they offer and bitch when others complain about the lack of service. Eircom hold the monopoly on telephone lines in Ireland and they treat the people of ireland with disdain.
There is prolly no technical reason why you could not have dsl. But eircom could not be arsed setting it up. Don't blame the customer for complaining about a bad service (compared with other EU countries) that they pay a large amount of money for.

Balfa · 14-09-2002 8:03pm

Originally posted by ando

in game, I don't believe it for a second, but it was nice to see it

Fellas, come on, i'm sure he knows how to read pings. i'm sure he wasn't posting that as "proof" of his ping.

On another note, it's very easy to get halflife to tell you you have a ping of 0ms. Just play around with pushlatency and those other settings. Of course it's not true, but the play is smoother, because halflife is compensating as much as it can for whatever your real ping is. With HL set like this, your input is noticably less lagged. You move as SOON as you press the key (that's what it feels like on the client end anyway. I'm sure the server has other ideas). That's what i always had when i was on the DSL trial. Of course it didn't make me die any less

ando · 14-09-2002 8:27pm

Originally posted by Balfa
Fellas, come on, i'm sure he knows how to read pings

I think I confused some ppl on my earlier post.. reading it now it seems a bit confusing to me !

When I said 'BTW, ... bla bla bla' ping results, that was from a msdos prompt, the '4' I got was in the actual game., I only showed the msdos prompt ping results to show how better isdn was to dsl :cool:

I can see leeroybrown definatly read it wrong :rolleyes:

SkepticOne · 14-09-2002 8:43pm

Originally posted by NoelRock
So while you're all moaning about your pings - a hell of a lot of us, like me, are thinking 'jeez, be happy with what you have - we've got 56k'

There are several problems.

1. Broadband (not just ADSL) is generally unavailable. There are only a few areas. Parts of Dublin, Limerick and more recently Thurles, Clonmel and Kilkenny. Where ADSL has been enabled in exchanges, a large number or people don't appear to qualify.

2. For most people who are lucky enough to live in a broadband enabled area, there is only one choice: ADSL from Eircom in Dublin, ADSL from ESAT in Limerick, Chorus in Clonmel etc.

3. Prices are extremely high. It is hard to find higher prices for entry-level ADSL anywhere in the world. There does not appear to be any justification for it.

Dustaz · 17-09-2002 11:24am

Calm down folks.

This is not the place for personal insults.

melachi · 17-09-2002 3:44pm

.

dathi1 · 17-09-2002 4:00pm

€169 here.. since I'd exceed their silly download caps.

Ive gone way ovet the 3GB limit and never got billed...so whats the story there? how does the extra MB show up on your bill?

melachi · 17-09-2002 7:28pm

No idea, maybe the cap is only a lie... ****s

eircom adsl PINGS

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