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  • 26-07-2002 9:23pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭


    I dont know of this point has been mentioned here before, but from experience I can say this. One reason alot of people dont want to spend much time on the internet is because they dont want their phone to be engaged all the time. I recently moved house, from my own place with its 2 phone lines upto this place with only one phoneline temporarily, and I have found my internet access greatly restricted as a result. One of the big reasons people only log in to check email and one or two sites is because they might be waiting on an important call. It took me a while to realise that, having been here about 4 weeks now. When the IrelandOffline campaign started I was living in my old house with 2 lines and I didnt have to worry about missing a call. Sure ISDN might be the answer, but to alot of people thats just too expensive. Maybe we should push harder for broadband flatrate access as opposed to 56k flatrate?

    Matt


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Certainly, that's a bit of a problem in a house with a few people (or parents) who may also wish to use the phone.

    I'm lucky in that it's just the two of us here and that the phoneline has always been regarded as mine when I want it, as it's pretty much permanantly on the Internet after 6pm.

    There's a simpler (and cheaper) solution to the problem, compared with all of the other options you mention (second phone line, ISDN, broadband installation).

    The v92 standard has a facility for call-waiting built in. No Irish ISPs support it yet as far as I know, mostly because they don't see the gain - the only advantages it offers over the current v90 are basically a quicker connection (handshake) time, faster uploads (through the use of PCM Upstream), and the mentioned call-waiting (it's officially called "Modem-on-Hold). The advantages it does offer are tangiable, and in my view useful. The cost is basically just either replacing the modem bank at the ISPs end or upgrading firmware where possible to allow people to use the standard where their modem supports it. As it's backward-compatible with v90 it would be a transparent upgrade from the user's point of view. I guess Irish ISPs don't see that it would attract any more customers as they can't really proclaim it as "faster internet" as they did with v90 (plus it's not too sexy when broadband and ISDN are faster technologies. Plus they wouldn't be able to charge any extra for it.

    The issue of whether IrelandOffline should either abandon the campaign for flat-rate 56k or just campaign harder for an affordable flat-rate broadband service has been brought up before. Not that I'm saying it can't be discusssed again of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭l3rian


    i have a v92 modem, i was wondering how to get the modem on hold facility to work, i have nolimits isp, do you think they will support v92 at some stage? why is there 2 inputs into the modem? will i need to get another 30 metre cable :( to my room?

    and, i have this 2 plug adapter that connects both the modem cable and the phone cable into the wall port, when i used my old modem on the internet the tone on the phone when you picked it up when i was on the internet was blank, now when i am on the internet there is a screaching noise on the phone when you pick it up and it disconnects me, this is annoying because i have to upplug and replug before and after connecting, is there a way to prevent being disconnected when a person picks up the phone while i am on the internet using this 2 plug adapter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Nuphor


    Didn't you read the previous thread?
    No Irish ISPs support it yet

    ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 741 ✭✭✭longword


    Originally posted by sceptre
    [v.92] call-waiting (it's officially called "Modem-on-Hold).
    ISPs probably see that as a disadvantage. Their modem lines are a finite resource, with high contention ratios (lots of users to few modems). They don't want people blocking a line while they go off to take a call. I wonder if they could implement v.92 selectively, turning off Modem-on-Hold while keeping the faster connects and the upload speed.

    As for the cost to them, I don' t know what's happening in the ISP market, but it's interesting to see what's going on with WinModems. Most of the existing v.90 WinModems seem to be capable of doing v.92 and I've seen hacked drivers out there that claim to enable it. But the cash-strapped modem manufacturers are tieing v.92 to newer WinModem hardware, with their official driver releases only supporting v.92 on those more recent chipsets. I wonder if the same is happening in the ISP market.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭l3rian


    didn't you read my thread ? :p

    i asked will it be supported at some stage, also that was just to his knowledge, maybe someone else knows otherwise?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭Matfinn


    TBH I dont think ISP's should work on getting v92 up to scratch. 56k is old and slow technology by now, and broadband should be top on the priority list. Why bother forking out money in order to upgrade some old modems anyway? That would be a step backwards. 56k is old technology and the sooner telcos, isps and everyone else realise that, the better.

    Matt


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    There's another option that hasn't been mentioned: divert the landline to your mobile while you're online. Just dial *21*(mobile number)#, wait for it to "ring", and hang up. You can then go online, and any incoming calls will divert to the mobile. The disadvantage is that there is a setup cost (25c each time you use it?) and you have to pay for the call from your number to the mobile, so keep them short!

    I use it all the time when I'm away from the house - my potential customers won't leave messages, as a rule, and the cost has worked out to be quite reasonable.

    Oh yeah, and don't forget to cancel it afterwards with #21#.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Nuphor


    didn't you read my thread ?

    Of course I did. You simply edited it while I was typing my reply.

    That #21# thing seems a good idea, and up until now I was unaware of any such thing. Cheers!


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