Radeon 9700 WHOAAAA!!!!

KdjaCL

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-944317.html?tag=dd.ne.dtx.nl-sty.0


WOW

Kdja

Gerry

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q3/020718/index.html

It will beat the hell out of the ti4600, but no idea of pricing yet.

koneko

$399 apparantly.

more linkage:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzMw

TacT

beautiful stuff!

Well more technology means more price cuts on the crap that's there already so happy days

The thing that caught my eye in the articles was how "Nvidia is the sort of company that can light a fire under the engineers and get a lot of work done in a hurry if they need to," Glaskowsky said. "I suspect they going to sound the battle stations' alarm."

yummy

Just as I'm drooling over what card to get soon

Quorthon

hehe my reign at the bleeding edge of technology has just ended

1 GF4 ti4600 for sale - any offers considered :rolleyes:


Q

JustHalf

251.50 Euro

KdjaCL

251 euro

kdja

Scruff

if it doesn't run on windows 98..

Radeon 9000, 9700 "won't run on Windows 98"

BabyEater

This is what ATI's response was , i read it on [H]ard|OCP

The only operating systems that Microsoft currently accepts as part of their WHQL (Windows Hardware Quality Labs) certification process are:

Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows XP



Since the RADEON 9700 and RADEON 9000 series of cards from ATI were released after the July 1st date, there was no way to obtain certification for these drivers. Microsoft certification of drivers is the most significant 3rd party qualification of a devices stability and quality. ATI's CATALYST drivers are based on the foundation of stability and quality and as such every driver that ATI makes available must go through Microsoft certification.

Although Microsoft no longer certifies devices under those operating systems, ATI still supports them. Users of Windows 98 and Windows 98 (SE) just simply need to use the WHQL certified Windows ME driver provided both on our shipping CD's and on our website. ATI also has an NT4 driver available for the RADEON 9000 and RADEON 9000 Pro which will be made available shortly.

Furthermore users of those operating systems are still supported by ATI's customer care program and can still obtain technical support.

Hope this clarifies the situation, and alleviates concerns.

Doodee

Its a lovely card alright, and its the type of card the Radeon 8500 was meant to be, thank god they have finally Succeeded, I love the Anandtech's Quote "Crowning of a new King" .
I just hope it can perform on par or even better than the Nv30 chip later this year.

Rock on ATI!

/me strokes his Radeon 8500

po0k

does it support Loonix/BSD/unix?

b4k4^2

I'd say relax a minute and wait till some proper hands-on benchmarks come out, before proclaiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread. Anyone remember the recent Matrox claims?

Gerry

Who the **** gives a **** about windows 98? Its a pile of pants. Upgrade to a proper operating system, and quit moaning.

BKtje

Originally posted by b4k4^2
I'd say relax a minute and wait till some proper hands-on benchmarks come out, before proclaiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread. Anyone remember the recent Matrox claims?

That is true. However once the card got into the hands of the people who tested it they were disappointed and said so. They had no such disapointment from the r300.

TacT

Someone will probably figure a way to tweak the drivers or hardware to do it if people need to, which they shouldn't, when I think about it 95-98 = 3 yrs and from 98-2002 is five so say some of the latest software/hardware won't run if your still on 95, it's perfectly normal, everyone should be upgrading...

It's a conspiracy theory, they're trying to get everyone to upgrade

CodeMonkey

Originally posted by b4k4^2
I'd say relax a minute and wait till some proper hands-on benchmarks come out, before proclaiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread. Anyone remember the recent Matrox claims?

Errr, people did not proclaim the Matrox Parhelia-512 to be the new king. They just acknowledged the possibilities of this card based on the specs and everyone was disappointed with it when hardware sites got their hands on it. Now this is different for the Radeon 9700 because all those hardware sites like anandtech and tomshardware already got a preview card from ATI and have seen for themselves the performance of this new card. They just can't publish numbers yet and so anandtech is posting percentage differences to the gf4 ti4600 instead of actual numbers.

BKtje

lets just hope they dont lower the clock speed like they usually do.

PPC

Originally posted by Gerry
Who the **** gives a **** about windows 98? Its a pile of pants. Upgrade to a proper operating system, and quit moaning.

Most people are happy with their OS and won't want to fork out another couple of hundread on a new os. Or don't want a warez'd copy.

And just to note Windows 98 has reached its end of term
So no more new Windows 98 machines

_CreeD_

Originally posted by PPC


Most people are happy with their OS and won't want to fork out another couple of hundread on a new os. Or don't want a warez'd copy.

Aye, but I can't see anyone happy with a dark-age OS shelling out for a top of the line gaming card (Or if they do their priorities are a wee bit screwy). Xp is only ~$100 if you look around, 1/4 of the expected price of that card.

Gerry

ppc, its crap. It crashes your machine when the hardware is 100% stable, can't recover from any more than the most minor of crashes, I could go on and on.

What annoys me is people buying brand new machines or upgrading and slapping win98 on it, its a waste.

po0k

Originally posted by PPC


Most people are happy with their OS and won't want to fork out another couple of hundread on a new os. Or don't want a warez'd copy.

And just to note Windows 98 has reached its end of term
So no more new Windows 98 machines

Windows98SE was thrown in with my OPC when i boght it from a private dealer.
The CD is now scratched to fúck. It was a substandard piece of shít when i was charged for it, and it still i.
I procured a CloneCD copy of Win2k for myself a good few months ago and haven't looked back.
I also run mandrake linux.

€500 for an OS is too much.
€60-70 for a major version is reasonable, though I'd pay more if it was stable and useful, though I could just go the fullblown *n*x route for free.

NeoSlicerZ

Originally posted by Doodee
Its a lovely card alright, and its the type of card the Radeon 8500 was meant to be, thank god they have finally Succeeded, I love the Anandtech's Quote "Crowning of a new King" .
I just hope it can perform on par or even better than the Nv30 chip later this year.

Rock on ATI!

/me strokes his Radeon 8500

/me whispers in DooDee's ear , "But will it run Codename Eagle?"

Hellrazer

Ok I keep hearing about this wonderful OS Windows 2000.
Few questions before I take the leap.Currently running 98se and have never had a problem with it.
Whats it like for gaming?
Are hardware drivers readily available?
What differences are there between 2k and 98?
Thats all.
Richie

Stephen

Windows 2000 is just fine for games, unless you're still playing bloody ancient games

drivers for practically everything are readily available, and lots of more "common" hardware is supported out of the box.

Its a hell of a lot more stable than 98. I've only had it blue-screen on me once. It will run more than 512mb of ram without problems (unlike 98) and will support multiple processors, if you happen to be filthy rich

I recommend this product and/or service.

BKtje

There were a few games that didnt work under w2k that worked under 98se. Also after switching i get a few blue screens to do with acpi but apart from that i love w2k

Much prefer it over 98se now.

I use my machine purely for games

KdjaCL

W2k isnt all roses and nice things ,it does have its problems.
Its probably the best advanced user OS (98se/home XP being the best user)

Most ppl who have W2k know what they are doing with it so say tis great (technically they correct)
But if your a user with little knowledge of OS stuff it can be a nightmare (search boards for this "windows 2000 problem" )
And you will see what i mean or even search on google for it.

back on topic anyone got a link to Nividias answer to radeon
specs etc

kdja

astrofool

XP has all the advantages of win2k + more

JustHalf

XP is 2000 with Windows Millenium "enhancements"

po0k

XP is a steaming pile of bubble-wrapped telli-tubbi w4nk.
Won't run emulators, has some serious problems with multimedia/CD burning.
The while I was using it it didn't do what I wanted it to do, the skinning of it simply slows everything down, it is a step in the wrong direction from the improvements of win2k over NT4.
It's candy-wrapped sh1te for people who don't know any better.
This is XP home I'm referring to.
I haven't spent enough time using XP pro in the win2k style to pass honest judgement on it yet.

Anywyas, this is for MS Apps/OS

On topic:
If this card get decent driver support a (including OpenGl1.3+) I might just go for it.
I've hated to see an Ati card in SYstem Properties before cos generally it means sh1te performance (overall for the PC - OEM thing really) and dodgey support at best for any game.
(Codename eagle + Radeon 8500 + WinXP Pro, eh JP? Eh? EH? )

_CreeD_

By default XP is too topheavy, but you just have to disable all the eyecandy to bring it back to Win2k performance levels. Also it boots MUCH faster and has a couple of nice additions. It handles Shared DLL's much more efficiently than any other version of Windows, and has unlimited midi port support (handy if you're doing music). I didn't like it either the first few times I used it, but after some tweaking I think it'd now my OS of choice - not that I'd be pushed to upgrade from Win2k to it on an existing install, but any new installs I do will be XP.

BabyEater

kdga - Nvidia's answer to the 9700 is the NV30
.13 micron fabrication
450MHz GPU
900MHz DDR
AGP 8x
64-bit and 128-bit color
Zero performance cost using 4X FSAA
16 Textures/Pixel Per Pass
Multi Chip capable(external T&L)
Firewire Port
DX9

_CreeD_

Is that actually confirmed, or one of those amazing speculative leaks whereby someone roughly doubles what's already there?
Theres always a cost for FSAA, Nvidia have been claiming it will be practically free in each version of their card that's come out since the V3 - unless of course you get a flatpanel monitor and run it below max resolution, one hardware resize later you've got free FSAA .

Clinical Waste

Anyways, back to the new Radeon9700.

The power requirements of the chip plus memory will be higher than what ATi wants to run through the AGP-slot. Therefore, Radeon 9700 cards will have an extra floppy drive-size power connector, to avoid a too close resemblance to 3dfx's good old Voodoo5 cards.

This could be messy?

Gerry

get a molex power plug or floppy power connector, plug it into the card. The card comes with a passthrough connector so you don't lose any power plugs. I don't see the problem.

TacT

some very nifty os tweaks can be found here as well

Doodee

Zero performance cost using 4X FSAA

im sorry, Ryanair's new Flight school now offers scholarships to Pigs I hear.

(Codename eagle + Radeon 8500 + WinXP Pro, eh JP? Eh? EH? )

Actually worked perfectly John,
After the Lan I had to do a Re-install of XP pro and it was working grand again, turns out that my XP pro I was using at the lan was a bit on the borked side of things, possibly a few corrupted .dll's


As reguards this new Rad, It is definitly gonna be worth it, Anandtech tested it with the catalyst drivers that are released with the card (afaik they are catalyst but to be honesty was too busy to check exact Details) and it was outperforming the Ti4600's no bother.

Also remember that N-vidia wont be releasing their NV30 chip till November/december, afaik thats the next qauter. so more than likely this new Rad should be the card produced to compete with the current cards, not the upcoming NV30, well no...its a mix of both really. They are the first major Card supplier to release an AGP 8x card (VIA was it already?). If ur thinking that this card will outperform the NV30 though u may/maynot be wrong, who knows. the card can definitly Award itself with a golden Star and a tin foil hat against the current crop......

what im mean here is that if u buy one of these cards you should be set till December, but the point is Why bother, the Radeon 8500/ GF3 and GF4 cards are all well able to handle the upcoming Doom titles and also the UT2003 so there is really no point in having all that performance unless u want to boast (or compensate for your incredibly small cock size)

BKtje

or if like me you have a geforce256 which wont run said titles
or if your an online gamer where fps and ping are everything.

There are reasons to buy this card for some

astrofool

good time for graphics, it's a bit like when AMD released the athlon a couple of years ago, and intel had to respond by moving it's roadmap twice as fast and cut all the prices.

New Radeon isn't using catalyst drivers yet, they hope it will be soon, but whether it is actually a unified driver, or just the two drivers bolted together in the same package remains to be seen.

The NV30 will be 10-20% faster than the 9700, but it's still a good few months away. Also the idea of a multi chip solution seems messy and expensive, especially when nvidia were the first to do it all on one chip as it were (2d/3d), if anything they should be looking towards more integration, ram on chip etc. External T&L was the way 3dfx was gonna do it. But it means bringing another bus onto the graphics board, which will have bandwidth limits far less than what is capable on chip (esp. with 300 million + polygons per second flying about). Trying to combine that with 900mhz ram and keep costs of manufacturing down ? hmm, doesn't sound like what nvidia would do, and smells more like what 3dfx were desperately trying before they collapsed.

64-bit colour might happen, but 128-bit won't quite yet (that's a possible 2^128 colours on screen at once or 3.4028236692093846346337460743177e+38 colours )

16 textures/pixels per pass is the minimum for a dx9 compliant part, and the radeon already has this.

Hopefully what this will really mean is a price war with graphics cards

JustHalf

I don't like the smell of that last post.

_CreeD_

128bit colour is for precision, not colour depth. There are some examples up on Anandtech I think, looks pretty nifty actually.

JustHalf

That's not what I was talking about.