Internet Access via Satellite

Blade

After spending the last few weeks going through all the specs of different hardware available for Satellite net access and TV I've finally decided on the hardware I'm getting, I've listed them all with explanations for those who are interested...
http://www.esatclear.ie/~lorenzo/dvb/

Blade

_CreeD_

Nicely Done.
Cheers.

SickBoy

What kind of speeds are we talking about here?

creative

nice one blade....

have to pull you up on your use of full stops though!!

Kali

great info lors!
keep thinking to meself whoa satellite access that must be excellent and then that its only good for downloading, due to it being one way (obviously) but whats the bandwidth like? and somehow i can see if this catchs on that it will slow down eventually... although the slim information that europeonline supply suggest they are using several of astras satellites.
installation prices seem damn high,
still for 10/12 quid a month.. a hella lot of donkey porn eh lors?

lphchild

Where you geeting the SEASON from? Building it yourself?

Blade

lphchild: You can build them yourself no problem, parts would cost you under a tenner even from RS, I used to build them years ago but mine were multipurpose for programming PIC chips and logging data streams aswell and over time I ended up stripping bits off them for other stuff and to be honest I couldn't be arsed starting again, I'll probably just buy that one for 30 quid, you can get it and everything else I listed on that site from the one supplier in Germany.

Speed wise theres apperently 2 methods of getting data, 1 is to get europe online to retrieve the files for you which means you have to wait till it's got them all first and it gives you an estimated time of when it will start broadcasting them to you, you could be waiting a while before it starts sending but when it does you are supposed to be guaranteed the full 2 Megabits and you don't have to be online while your waiting or while it's downloading. I was told though that theres a limit of 100 megs per file you can request in this manner though you can request as many as you like and theres no limits to the amount you d/l for your 15 euros. The other way is to d/l as you normally do (directly) but the speeds more limited to the site your d/l from and you have to stay online throughout the download.

Europe online's site is pretty crap as you can see, it's very hard to pick out any real information from it but they have a home video on demand service where they say that you can order a film online before you go to work, log off but leave your pc on and by the time you get home it'll be sitting there on your Hard Drive waiting for you... now from what I can make out the films would have to be in Mpeg2 and of the highest quality the same as that you would get from recording to hard drive with your DVBsat card which is basically 1.8 gig per hour of video, so your talking about 3 gigs per film downloaded to you in less than 8 hours. Elsewhere on their site they have some large files on their server for downloading and for example they'd have a 35 meg file and beside it they'd have like 'download time 3 mins 9 secs' thats a good CD full in 1 hour from what I can make out but again this is only when they broadcast it directly from their server.

Broadcast in an important term here because they don't just 'send' you a file they broadcast it so in theory everyone could pick it up at the same time with no loss of bandwidth but it's controlled by Mac addresses so only the people who requested it will receive it. It's possible for example that if you requested a video at 9 am that they might wait till 10 am to see if anyone else wants that same film too, that way if 10 people wanted it they could just broadcast it once to 10 different mac addresses, I don't know that they do this, it's just a wild guess as the information is very scarce from them.

Theres also a hack BTW where you get a modified Nokia D-Box hooked up into your PC and it 'Scans' for active mac addresses from the Internet satellite feeds and allows you to download whatever was being broadcasted to someone else. The problem with this of course is that you can't request anything in particular your just scanning for other people's broadcasts, but it's totally free.

Regards
Blade

WhiteWashMan

i have to say its all greek to me, but its bloody interesting.
may start doing some investigation into all this. at least enough to read your page lenny without asking myself wtf is that hes talking about#!

Paladin

I doubt this will be a huge success, since satellite is really only one way (as you have said). Perhaps they will solve that in the future?
Still looks rather interesting from a modemers poin of view.

Skeptic

Very good site!

What are the free to air channels? Can you get BBC, CH4 etc?

Also, can you use an existing ISP for your return path (e.g. iol nolimits)?

Mike

Lenny

so would this mean that you couldn't play any online games like tf and have a good ping ?

Kegser

AFAIK it only works for downloads... but dammit; THINK OF THE PORN!

Blade; you wouldn't be able to knock up a list of your suppliers to would you? Only this is some very interesting stuff ya have here...

On another note; a guy I work with has something similar already set-up, although he has his downloading from a linkup to a US Army base in England... not sure how he managed it but I do know he's not paying anything, gets ridiculously fast downloads and has a massive amount of high quality porn.

Kegs.

Blade

Ooops didn't realise this topic was re opened, it's a few months old now.....

Anyway some answers:

The best supplier I found for the hardware is... http://www.dvb-shop.de/
It's all in German but

Games are out of the question at least ping reliant ones anyway, latency from a satellite is anything from around 100 to 200 milleseconds depending if it's a high or low orbit one. Also the system is 1 way only so your still upping from your modem but yes you can use your flat rate SNL for requesting your files then D/L via the Sat.

To be honest I don't think it will take off, personally I gave up on the idea because of issues from the various Satellite ISP's and the lack of real information that people like us would really want to know, for eg. though Europe online tell you theres no limits on the amount you can download I found out from some users that they block access to FTP sites that are password protected and/or aren't on port 21 so bang goes all your good warez FTP's. There was other issues that I can't remember now but all the different ISP's seemed to have something I didn't like.

Though yeh Kegs you could still get a rake of Pr0n from the European TV stations which aren't censored like the crappy adult or playboy channels

Regards,
Blade

OctaviaN

Wow!!
But lorenzo do those parts come with drivers and any other software required??
And how does the ISP workout do you dial or just switch on like a satallite reciever??
And Call cost?? (Was that a silly question?)

OctaviaN

Blade

Course all the software you need comes with the card and the ISP send u a CD with all their settings etc.

You leave the sat on all the time, you use your modem esat no limits or any dial up wheneven you want to request files, so you basically log in as normal click on a link to download a file as u normally do but you use their proxy settings to download the file rather than tru your modem, so you can log off after you requested the file but of course leave your pc on and it'll come down tru the sat while your not even connected to the net. Also you could leave your pc on before going to work (not online) and from work or any net connect you can select files and send them to your home pc without it even being online, you just point the broadcast to your unique mac address and use their proxy settings.

Blade

Mohammed78

is the card has a remote control?
is it want a positioner?

Blade

Hmm old thread your opening but anyway Mohammed78 yes you can get a remote for that card, contact the supplier I gave a link for earlier this thread. And no you don't need a positioner. TV out links straight to the TV no other decoders needed.

Moriarty

Thought i would let you know a little more about europe online... Somone i know has it in the UK, and as mentioned there are the two download options. You can get 2megabit if you allow them to queue to download for you, and get it a while later, or else there is the download as you go which gives you a constant 40-50K/sec downloading. Pings, i have worked out, will never get better than about 450ms, because of the geo-stationary satellites (they have to be higher up).

Its worth a look if you more or less know you wont be able to get dsl when its deployed (eg the back **** of no where )

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THE SPERMINATOR

This looks funky wonder if they will ever set up in this green and pleasant land *cough* *cough* heheehhttp


www.tele2.co.uk/

Stone

Mohammed78

Thank you very much for your answer "Blade"
Do you know any suppliers in Egypt?
and do you mean that i can use that card on a TV.?
and how can I control the dish without the positioner by this card?

T

Blade

Moriarty: yeh u can book 'downloads' or more specifically actual broadcasts from them, in theory this is what it is because they fit you into a free transponder time slot and broadcast the files you requested for you, anyone can pick up this broadcast with some hacking tools but ordinarily or officially your the only one who can receive it as your identified by a unique MAC Address.

However because Europe online use a proxy their able to restrict your downloads, for example I was told that you couldn't download from FTP sites that weren't on port 21 and or used a password. So I'm not sure their that good a service to be honest. The ping time direct to Astra I think is around 200 ms from a test we did long ago but the fact that you are 'modeming' first to their server in Europe would add a fair bit onto that alright.

THE SPERMINATOR: You can use this system now in Ireland if you want

Mohammed78: I don't know any suppliers in Egypt sorry. You can use that card on a TV yes. About the positioner, I assumed you were talking about a fixed dish in which case of course you wouldn't need a positioner and if you had a motorised dish then I'd assume you already had a positioner for it!

adnans

Im just wondering, since you already have a satellite dish you can already get ions and zions of donkey pr0n already from our european frinds (i salute you all) and i dont see a need for the Satellite net access if youre only gonna use it to get porn.

adnans

Mohammed78

Thanks blade
do you know how much does it cost in USD ($)?
and any Europian suppliers?

thanks

Mohammed78

I read about two way connection by satellite (sending and recieving) in this site
www.directpc.com
the question is can the TT-DVBsat PCI card works with this two ways technology?

Thanks to all and specially tp Blade

Mohammed78

Can I use any digital reciever to recieve Internet data?

Blade

adnans: Yeh thats right

Mohammed78: Try http://www.dvb-shop.de/ cheapest place I've found. I think the TT card will work on 2 way sytems but their fairly new concept and I really don't know much about it, I'm sure on their site they will mention the hardware you need, have a look do they mention the TT card or what card they do reccomend, note that the TT card comes in a variety of rebranded names but are all basically the same card!

It's possible to use a Nokia D-Box receiver also for Internet data but you'll need to Flash it with the latest 3rd party Firmware 'DVB 2000', you can use this Nokia to pick up other peoples downloads (free of charge) or you can subscribe to an ISP and get your own.

Blade

Chris_533976

And remember I have an extensive list of satellite net providers in the broadband section of http://uie.8m.com .

--Chris--

Blade

Theres a lot more than that out there for Broadband Internet via Satellite, such as starspeeder, direct PC and BIZkit etc. Not to mention all the rebranded services using the same transponders just under different names. Eutelsat itself isn't an ISP it's a satellite, the actual service is called SkyDsl.

m1ke

someone get it and say how great it is, and then we'll all get it.....

Mohammed78

From where can I get (Or search for) these hardwere :
1-external Breakerless ignition (2 heads emission-reception)
2-Emission card

thanks

Mohammed78

Hello , Finally I found two companies with the servieces of sending and recieving
www.web-sat.com
www.unitedsat.com ( the site not work )

the first one is in Ireland so please can you ask about the price of the equipment and subscribtion..

sat4the

Having been with EOL now for around 6 months I find it quite useful. Help from them may not be the best but other users will always help. With regards to download restrictions there are none but you have a temp area of 700meg. That said I have been over the limit on a few occasions with no comebacks.
For games - yeah its pretty useless but for downloading files well - get flashget and speeds of 50k / sec are easily achieved on a good site. The other way as mentioned is to request the files and be allocated a time slot (normally an hour or 2 later).
But there are hacks avail which allow you to download the same requested files as others, this can be interesting. I have setup a new forum if anybody has more questions on this subject. It can be found at http://www.sat4the.co.uk under forums.
Hope this helps answer some of the questions here.

Sat4the.

Joe22

Satellite can be to way kali
in america you can get toway sat

gvidos

I know a Greek company that provides satellite internet. I have it 5 months now and I don't have any problem. The minimun speed is 80KB/S and the maximum is 250KB/S
I usually have 130 KB/S

e-sat.gr

Celt

two way ffs

strat

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gvidos:
I know a Greek company that provides satellite internet. I have it 5 months now and I don't have any problem. The minimun speed is 80KB/S and the maximum is 250KB/S
I usually have 130 KB/S

e-sat.gr</font>

ROFL - its ESAT
there everywere infecting the whole world with crap internet access !!

ere
all that greek on the site is giving me a headache
how much is it a month and is it 1 or 2 way gvidos ?

cheers

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Kali

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
Satellite can be to way kali
in america you can get toway sat</font>

Read the date of my post.
Nearly a year ago at this stage.
Knowledge has since been acquired

gvidos

Originally posted by StrataGIST:

ROFL - its ESAT
there everywere infecting the whole world with crap internet access !!

ere
all that greek on the site is giving me a headache
how much is it a month and is it 1 or 2 way gvidos ?

cheers

StrataGIST is 2 way only for companies because is expensive. I pay 19.23$ per month for one way.

richindub2

And how much is it per month for companies for two way access?

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Leverz

There is no word on prices yet, but there is due to be a launch of the service in Ireland in July, I got an e-mail from them Yesterday.

Leverz

WebFem

Here's a press release that may be of interest:

New BEAM™ satellite broadband technology hits
UK ahead of rivals

A Scottish based entrepreneur has stolen the
march on Bt Openworld and NTL for the national
roll out of satellite broadband technology
thanks to an alliance with Onstar Europe.

Fraser Hay, CEO of Highland based Strategic
Marketing Ventures (SMV), has signed the
deal to introduce the new broadband service
called Beam™ to the UK and unlike its
competitors it’s available NOW.

This 2-way “always on” broadband Internet
connection via satellite, www.broadband4uk.com
provides businesses with fast, reliable and
cost effective connection,
without the need of land based cable or telephone
networks so eliminating all call charges and
slow uploads. Beam™ is currently up to 10
times faster than a 56K modem, and over five
times faster than a dedicated ISDN line.

The satellite is in orbit 22,300 miles (35,800 km)
above the equator. It communicates directly with
the earth-based hub, which in turn has a direct
two-way connection to the Internet. No telephone
connections, no dial-up accounts, no other Internet
service providers involved, straight from the
user to the satellite – it is accessible to everyone.

Businesses nationwide, from John O’Groats to Lands
End, will reap the benefits of Beam™ by visiting
the online product information site -
www.broadband4uk.com. Initially the product is
available in the UK and Ireland, with discussions
already underway for Beam™ to be rolled out
throughout the rest of the world.

Additional advantages to businesses include:
· A permanent “always on” internet connection
· Much cheaper than leased lines
· Connection which is 10 times faster than
a 56K modem
· Cost effective video conferencing
· Fast delivery of page content, emails and
files

“Whilst the government continues to battle with telecommunications and ADSL companies to extend
our cable infrastructure to get the UK online by
2005, Beam™ is live and ready now. This
technology revolutionises how businesses will
operate online, and makes broadband a feasible
option for all businesses,” said Fraser Hay,
CEO of Strategic Marketing Ventures Ltd, owners
of small business portal, www.hitsnclicks.com.

Beam™ provides high-speed connection comparable
with ADSL, yet with no limits, allowing all
businesses to have faster access for the use
of multi media content, video conferencing and
real time video email. In addition, as Beam™
is a permanent connection to the web it allows
constant communication, eliminating the
painstaking dial up process, which so many
businesses are currently suffering.

On installation an elliptical Beam™ satellite
dish on or near the required property, which
simply needs an unobstructed view of the
southern sky. Two cables connect your dish
to your PC via a Beam satellite modem inside
your property.


Hay continued, “Business users of Beam™ also
have the opportunity of subscribing to SMVs
hitsnclicks.com, an online marketing resource
centre dedicated to help drive traffic, value
and revenue to SME websites. In addition, SMV’s real time video email product, elive2u www.elive2u.co.uk
is available allowing companies to communicate
with voice and video over the Internet in real
time.”

- ends -

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http://www.broadband4uk.com Broadband access via satellite throughout UK now.