Was mcCarthy right to send Keane home?

Ph3n0m · 23-05-2002 2:27pm #1

Yes or No

zAbbo · 23-05-2002 2:31pm

No because its ROY KEANE,

Yes if it was LEE CARSLEY

photty · 23-05-2002 2:34pm

Yes! keane has been a complete twat. This was a long time coming but I have to admit he has excellent timing. Now McCarthy can't even replace him.

gandalf · 23-05-2002 2:46pm

Definate NO !

Gandalf.

SheroN · 23-05-2002 2:56pm

definate NO!.....maybe yes if he done a mark kennedy on it and was bouncing on people's car bonnets....but for calling a spade a spade...NO!

dougal · 23-05-2002 3:01pm

He wasn't sent home for what he said about the facilities, he was sent home for abusing the manager in a team meeting. If he has no respect for McCarthy then it is right for McCarthy to deal with it.
He obviously didn't want to be there anyway!

incubus · 23-05-2002 3:02pm

Definate NO !... imagine been kicked from ur team for wantin to do well :rolleyes:

joey D · 23-05-2002 3:04pm

i say NO, wait until after world cup and then kick the **** out of him for his messing around.

darthmise · 23-05-2002 3:08pm

Definitely NOT!
Best player, was completely right in everything he said with regards to facilities and what they should expect. McCarthy has sent him home for personnal reasons, a bit of name calling or what have you. How can he say Keano isn't acting in the best intrest of the team, when he takes this sort of acton on purely personnal grounds?

Bard · 23-05-2002 3:08pm

Originally posted by dougal
He wasn't sent home for what he said about the facilities, he was sent home for abusing the manager in a team meeting. If he has no respect for McCarthy then it is right for McCarthy to deal with it.

Agreed.

prenton · 23-05-2002 3:13pm

Definitely YES. He has no respect for McCarthy, the rest of the squad were turning against him. Saaipan (spelling) was basically a holiday camp so they could acclimatise and get use to the heat and do a bit of light training. The main training camp is next week over in Japan. No one else complained, so the pitch was not up to scratch, as McCarthy said it was an R&R camp.

He lost the plot!!!

cheeky_monkey · 23-05-2002 3:31pm

Nobody disputes the fact he was right to be pi$sed off about the training facilities and all the other bull that comes with the FAI.

Roy Keane expects the best and why shouldn't he voice his opinions if he doesn't get that? Decent training facilities are not a privilege - they are a right.

Roy's mistake was in going public with what happened... (if he hadn't we wouldn't be talking about this now) - he deliberately told the press and caused a media frenzy putting Mick on the spot. He was given a second chance and he fuked that up too by mouthing off some more.

Now he has let himself, his team and all of us fans down.

YES.

damnyanks · 23-05-2002 3:53pm

He is always pissing about maybe he will learn something from this. Fine he is a great player but one great player doesnt make up a team.

If he was going around all pissy imagine the effect it would of had on his team mates. I blame Alex Fergusen its like sending your kid to spend 3 months with your loaded Uncle (Fergusen) that spoils you rotten and then having to face the reality of coming home.

Mickah · 23-05-2002 3:56pm

I heard the press conference on the radio when Mick McCarthy explained that it was Keane's disrespect and abuse that got him sent home.

It was completely to do with whatever went on at that squad meeting. McCarthy sounded extremely emotional, I've never heard his voice crack like that, Keane must have gone ballistic at that meeting. We may never find out exactly what was said. So we have to trust McCarthy's judgement as Manager.

All this shíte about Keane being right about the facilities is null and void at this stage, no-one disputes it except the FAI.

Xterminator · 23-05-2002 4:40pm

I dont think mick should have sent him home.

He was justifiably aggrieved, and instaed of sending him home , they should have addressed the problem, of not being prepared.

I would be willing to be amonths wages, the FAI junkets were arranged properly.

Too see all the 'fans' jumping on the bandwagon and kicking keane while he's down only tells me he's right to quit international footie too.

If they dont appriciate you, Roy then F**K them all.

Enjoy the time at home with the kiddies, and thanks for the memories!

X

cheeky_monkey · 23-05-2002 5:14pm

It was completely to do with whatever went on at that squad meeting.

I dissagree. he went public. that is where this started. you don't wash your dirty linen in public you keep it in-house. He could have waited until after the WC. The meeting was the last straw

Too see all the 'fans' jumping on the bandwagon and kicking keane while he's down.

It's his own fault he's 'down'. He fuctup and the fans are justifyably pi$$ed off.

Ronan|Raven · 23-05-2002 5:14pm

YES

The FAI are a bunch of twats as we all know etc etc. And yes he was right about the facilities, but you CANNOT abuse your manager in the manner that ahs been reported and expect it to be fine., completly undermining his authority and expect not to recieve some form of punishment. If it were to happen at my local pub team the player in question would have been told to go. The manager had to act on that and he did and fair play to him for doing it. Yes hes a big loss but at the end of the day its a team game not just about one person out a number of individuals no matter how good they are. Really annoying part is we cant bing in Healy now as the deadline has passed.

irishgeo · 23-05-2002 5:19pm

maybe he got a little hot headed in the high humidity and heat. Perhaps it made his blood boil.

He was on about media scrums. Wait till he steps of a plane it will be a free for all and i can imagine what keano will say to them.

Dont be at yourself · 23-05-2002 5:21pm

Yes.

Mossy Monk · 23-05-2002 5:54pm

i couldn't believe what i was hearing when i woke up today. McCarthy is a twat. what is going through his mind. the World Cup starts for Ireland next week and he cannot replace Keane. Roy Keane had a go at him. so what. McCarthy has nothing more than a bruised ego. what are the chances of these 2 sitting down and talking about it. it has to be sorted out

nasty_crash · 23-05-2002 6:05pm

in all honesty the FAI should be shot!! they are the main reason for Keane flying home......

right sure why not send our best player home, were better without him.....eh!! i dont think so!!

Keane spoke out against FAI bout the facilities and conditions of the location and that was what caused him the World CUP!! and no one can convince me otherwise....... McCarthy is not that stupid!! Everyone knows that they dont get on, but yet why does he wait til now to get rid of him!!

Its the FAI who sorted Keane out, not McCarthy

Headcase · 23-05-2002 6:26pm

Theres got to me a lot more to it then is being told.
So he says a few things to Mick, so what!
a slap on the wrist and get back down to business. the FAI as per usual, cocked it all up!

Not Keanes fault. And Ferguson told him to stay, as did his agent

Culchie Boy · 23-05-2002 6:50pm

No way should keane be send home, after all they might not be inthe world cup finals only for him. With keane gone i cannot see ireland coming out of the group stage now. Obiviously the fai have not heard of "tolerence". they should have jusy given out like stink to him and let it at that. I can see the same thing happening to Ireland as happened to kerry lasy year against meath in the all-ireland semi-final when there was a new captain put on the other players just would'nt play right and Meath hammered the S**t out of them.
regards Culchie Boy

CHRISTYG · 23-05-2002 7:21pm

Mossy Monk, the chances of Keane and McCarthy "sitting down and talking about it" are roughly on a par with those of the Pope joining the Orange Order-in other words ZERO!!!!

hallelujahjorda · 23-05-2002 7:39pm

No, no a million times no. . . McCarthy is a muppet ! Keane is the best football player in the world and we have proved once again that we are not able to raise ourselves onto the world stage.

The most recent analogy is the way the LIONS management team dealt with Matt Dawson & Austin Healey . Mick needs to wake up and smell the sh1t . .

cartman · 23-05-2002 7:41pm

mcarthy is a twat

Piliger · 23-05-2002 7:46pm

I don't give a monkey's nuts what the **** Keane has to complain about - he's been playing for the same FAI for years and is an adult now. He should have shown some loyalty to us an just got on with it instead of whinging and stamping out like a little brat.

Good riddence Keane and well done McCarthy. If we never win another match I'll be glad that at least the players give a **** about more than their own petty interests.

Illkillya · 23-05-2002 9:25pm

Originally posted by Piliger
I don't give a monkey's nuts what the **** Keane has to complain about - he's been playing for the same FAI for years and is an adult now. He should have shown some loyalty to us an just got on with it instead of whinging and stamping out like a little brat.

Good riddence Keane and well done McCarthy. If we never win another match I'll be glad that at least the players give a **** about more than their own petty interests.

Jesus.. comments like this make me so angry. How could people be this STUPID? I think you should rename this poll to 'Are you stupid?' and we would have the same people voting yes and no.

p.s. i voted NO!!

Spaceman · 23-05-2002 9:27pm

NO

I say line the FAI and McCarty up against a wall and shoot them with balls of their own ****e!!!!

The world is laughing

Lemming · 23-05-2002 9:35pm

I voted "No".

I can see the points of view of both parties here.

Yes McCarthy needs to show who's the boss, but this is not the time to do that. A few days before our first match and he sacks one of our most valued players.

Granted, Keane might have been a little more tactful too, but that's besides the point.

castie · 23-05-2002 10:02pm

no way big player big ego he should have dealt with it like alex ferguson can

alastair · 23-05-2002 10:35pm

Much as I would like Keane to stay, it does seem that he was being enough of an arse to warrant his marching orders.

He made his point about facilities (seems entirely justified), he decided to go home, then changed his mind. If he was prepared to stay on before that team meeting, then he should have had the cop on to stop the tantrums during the meeting. There is a point where your tiff becomes unproductive, and it looks like that point was reached the day earlier. If he chose to bawl out McCarthy at that stage, it was only for self centred reasons. If someone had to go (and by what Quinn says, it did get to that point), then it had to be Keane. It's a team sport, with one dictator, and that's the manager. I'm sure Alex Ferguson wouldn't tolerate any ****e from Keane, so why should McCarthy?

So, we all lose. We get a less than useful team with less hope of progression than before, and both Keane and McCarthy get to look like a twats in front of the world. None of us know who should carry the weight of responsibility in this matter, but it seems clear as day that Keane carries at least some.

Ronan|Raven · 23-05-2002 11:02pm

Originally posted by hallelujahjorda
No, no a million times no. . . McCarthy is a muppet ! Keane is the best football player in the world

Keane is a good player thats all, hes is close being the best player in the world, but not quiet there. Our media has built him up to be jesus christ of nazareth. Mick has done a geat job with the team and if Jack was still in charge he would have dumped any whiners in the desert.

Would you walk into any job and tell your boss to **** himself and any other such remarks in that context infront of your fellow colleagues and expect to be not fired? Get real if Roy had ****ed mick out of it in behind closed doors then so be it, but he undermined his manager in public and infront of all the players and the manager acted as any other manager would.

His remarks about FAI im sure are correct as they are as we all know a bunch of asses, but what he did "just isnt cricket old boy"

Roy has been a great player for us over the years but you cannot simly carry on as he has done and not expect something to happen.

Now cmon most peole support Ireland, not just a player. Lets give the lads the support they deserve.

Cmon you boys in green

RasTa · 23-05-2002 11:08pm

man 2 days ago he SAID he wanted to leave,like wtf was tha all about
than we think its finally settled and he goes off again,even steve stantanton said he should off being kicked
send him home were still gettin out of our group

NeRb666 · 23-05-2002 11:36pm

Some of the comments he made in the interview before he was sent home were disgraceful.

Saipan is not the training base, it's mainly to acclimatise and relax. McCarthy did the right thing.

Keane cannot be called the best player in the world, because he's blown his chance to play at the greatest tournament in the world.

I am fully behind McCarthy's decision.

Prisoner6409 · 23-05-2002 11:54pm

Freddy Ljungberg(Arsenal + Sweden) punched a fellow team mate in training today, was he sent home? NO BLEEDING WAY. The Swedes are not idiots. The FAI are a bunch of "line our own pockets" wasters. The attittude they showed when all the FAI officals flew "First Class" when the real Irish Reps(the players) sat in economy(with Niall Quinns knee's in his face) is the prevailing attittude they constantly adopt. They forget if it was not for the players they would not be getting the all expenses paid trip to Japan. Aparently Mick McCarthy and Ray Tracey went out to Saipan and picked the venue where a makeshift pitch had to be made. WTF is Ray Tracey, a travel agent doing choosing the training facilities for our world cup team. You can be sure England are not training on a car park covered in gravel. And to top it all we loose our best player and captain because he is critical of their badly choosen venue. Roy Keane expects high standards and rightly so, he is a professional and its the teams that adopt high standards that win and do well in competitions. IMO this debacle has more to do with McCarthys and the FAI's lack of standards and management skills that are to blame.

Jake · 24-05-2002 12:12am

Personally Im gonna hold off judgement for a little while.......
Think theres probably more of this story to be told and Im gonna waite till all the facts are in the public domain (if ever) before I make up my mind!
Seems to be the case however that the other players were getting pissed off whith Keane as well though, in the hot sticky conditions of SE Asia over an extended period this may well have lead to even worse trouble with other players down the line so maybe its a blessing of sorts that the situation happened now!
But as I say its hard to know untill all the details are out.

One things for sure, its a sad way for any career to end and no matter what we may think of Keane or McCarthy its something that they are both gonna have to carry around with them for the rest of their lives.
Sure they are wealthy men, but I still think its gonna weigh heavily on them (maybe rightly so?)

Must admit Iv got a rather perverse joy out of the discussions here though!
Listening to all the ****e talk about wearing Celtic jerseys to Ireland internationals on this board a few weeks ago Iv enjoyed seeing everybody sticking it to the FAI, and their supposed? tight fistedness!
Maybe you can think about the money they are coining in when ye next stick on yer FAI Rep of Ireland/Eircom strip and wonder why they couldnt charter a plane to bring the squad to the far east or where the next generation of players are comming from to wear the jersey seen as we havnt got an international class triaining facility/youth academy for kids to learn the technical details of the game in the same way as many of the euopeans countries do!

Iv seen that Ballack is now a serious doubt for the Germans!
I really think now that we have a good of getting out of the group in second place ahead of german
We'll have all summer to point fingers at Keane,McCarthy, FAI ect.
So lets all enjoy the competiton and leave the lynchings till July:D

NeRb666 · 24-05-2002 12:43am

Like them or not, the FAI are largely an amateur association. Keane probably pulls in more money in a week than they do. The team were moving to their proper training base tomorrow as far as I know.

If these rumours about his personal life turn out to be true, then I do have some sympathy for Keane. However the whole episode should never have been conducted so publicly.

sc317 · 24-05-2002 12:43am

I have to stand by Mick McCarthy for the desicion he made, as a manager to send keane home. i still have respect for Roy in that he was exposing the FAI's apathy toards Irish soccer at ALL levels. It's this apathy that is destroying Irish soccer. It seems however that Roy allowed a long running personal feud between himself and Mick get in the way of what was an issue with the FAI. Mick made a footballing desicion and it was the right one.

We had journalists asking John Deleaney are we the laughing stock of world football, where was the public outcry when Hyland, Dooney et al showed our domestic League up for the mess that it is? Roy Keane in being a high profile figur and critic of the FAI posed too much of a threat to their cosy, corrupt lifestyle and they ****ing jumped at the opportunity to finish him off, and ruin his reputation.

Mick McCarthy made a football desicion, while the FAI's motives in wanting him sent home are questionable to say the least.

knobbles · 24-05-2002 1:03am

keane was the hero but if he's no respect for mick,
then he doesn't belong with a squad of players who do
respect mick. we'll just have to forget about him, unfortunate,
but i've a team to support and he doesn't deserve to be in it.
i'm still in the angry phase but it will pass and i'm lookin
forward to watchin a focused and determined bunch of proud lads give it a lash. the fun isn't dead

Lograce · 24-05-2002 11:24pm

If someone called you a f

w

what would you do???
If someone personnaly meant what they said to you , what would you do????
Mick mccarthy is in charge and not the captain, and yes mick was right.
Roy keane needs to get help and quick for his own sake.
The boys will be spurred on by all this as all the senior players and the up and coming cheered when keane left.
So they will get on with it as you have to and will do just as well.
Keane will regret all of this

Mossy Monk · 25-05-2002 1:02am

Originally posted by Lograce
If someone called you a f
w
what would you do???

i certainly wouldn't send someone home from a World Cup. Mick McCarthy IMO was just waiting for the golden opportunity. i hope for his sake they don't crash and burn in the group stages

NeRb666 · 25-05-2002 1:27am

Keane didn't seem to worried in the airport.

I hope he enjoys his 5 week rest.

cartman · 25-05-2002 2:38pm

mcarthy isnt a good manager hes not even irish he had no rite to send keano home he was really our only hope....Mick doesnt care wat the irish ppl think coz hes not irish himself the english twat!!!!!!!:mad:

red_bairn · 25-05-2002 3:21pm

i would say NO coz Keano is a prophet 2 Ireland!
Mic -is a ass****!there is my say

sc317 · 25-05-2002 5:53pm

Bender you really are a fool...
Mick McCarthy's father was from Waterford
Going by tour logic Roy Keane's own children are english twats, how many does he have anyway? 4 .5?

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