Cork North-Central

dahamsta

I see Noel "Paisley" O'Flynn got most of the votes in Cork North-Central. God help us with a55holes like that sitting in Government.

adam

Pablo

is that the guy thats on 96fm the whole time ? [Abuse deleted - Victor]

sceptre

Ah, Noel O'Flynn
The rte profile gives a rundown of his maiden speech that would indicate that he has a problem with corruption
http://www.rte.ie/news/dailguide/tds/oflynnn.html

On the other hand, if you read his maiden speech on his website:
http://indigo.ie/~noflynn/index.html#links

you'll see that's not quite what he said
(http://indigo.ie/~noflynn/speeches.htm#6)

He actually has a problem with public tribunals in principle

You'll notice I haven't brought up his comments on refugees. Leaving that out as there's a discussion going on elsewhere on boards about that. Besides, I think the above link on his own webpage will confirm him as a muppet.

dahamsta

is that the guy thats on 96fm the whole time ? [Abuse deleted - Victor]

I'm not sure, Prendeville drives me spare, but the past time I was passing through I remember Prendeville saying something like: "I don't want any more calls about Noel O'Flynn now, I'm sick of hearing about him". Also, when he was interviewing Bertie the other day he larted him about O'Flynn, asking him over and over what was said to him about it. Bertie tried to bullhit (sic) his way out of it, but he came off looking like he was unable to face up to it. That's an affirmative on the "langer" bit though. He's a horrible little man. He's the only politician in Cork I wouldn't talk to.

I was discussing this with the Ma earlier on: I don't think there's any nice way of saying it - it has to be down to education. Even if you're totally disilliusioned with Government - hell I'm totally disilliusioned with Government - there's no excuse for voting for a nasty piece of work like that. Yes, something has to be done about refugees, but racism and bigotry is /not/ the answer.

adam

Cork

Noel O Flynn got elected. He put himself before the people of Cork & got a massive vote. You are indeed entitled to your openion. But Noel O Flynn represents many.

nesf

Thats what scares me sometimes. I don't think it fair and or polite to say that he was the leading candidate due to a mis-educated electorate, but I am not comfortable with alot of his more controversial opinions.


But pls, just because you don't agree with the decision don't blame it on education. It's not a very fair judgement. The same could be said about Kerry North. I live near the area (Cork North-West) and believe me when I say that the Sinn Feinn candidate there, whose name escapes me at the mo, is also a nasty piece of work, and has been "linked" with some vigilantie activities. But to call the electorate of Kerry North ill-educated because they voted him in, would be an insult to them. I'm sure they had good reasons.

dahamsta

I accept that it's impolite and unfair to say it's down to education, obviously particularly to those I'm alluding to. And I genuinely dislike saying it, not because of political correctness, but because I don't like discriminating against people because of their education -- I've suffered at the hands of this myself, because I didn't go to college and some of my friends used to think that was abhorrent.

But if it isn't education, what is it? Is it upbringing? Is it so-called "institutional racism"? Or am I wrong, is there some good to come out of a man like that becoming part of Government. Personally, I can't see any good coming out of it. All I see is a rocky road towards more neo-nazism, more racial violence, more racial tension, etc. It's very much like Israel and Sharon - do people not see the irony, and the /danger/ we face by giving people like that political power?

adam

rymus

Originally posted by Cork
Noel O Flynn got elected. He put himself before the people of Cork & got a massive vote. You are indeed entitled to your openion. But Noel O Flynn represents many.

His opinion is indeed mirrored throughout his constituency. Not only did he get elected but he has topped the poll in North Central. He has thrown himself open to all sorts of criticism in order to gain the much needed support of the people that in the end voted for him. He was the first to make such comments and as we've seen on the papers in the run up to the election, several others seemed to followed in his footsteps by making equally racist remarks.

However if they think it'll get them elected then say anything / do anything.

If your job was on the line and the only way u could keep your position was to seriously piss off a minority group would you do it?

daveirl

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dahamsta

What the man said was some asylum seekers are free loaders.

And a lot more besides.

Ok, I'll drop it now.

adam

sceptre

Originally posted by daveirl


What the man said was some asylum seekers are free loaders. Are you possibly trying to say this is untrue?

He didn't say "some"

The original source is the Irish Times from January 29.

He said "the majority" (not "some". The word "some" doesn't even appear in the article). He also accused them on the same day of trying to take over parts of the city centre (though this isn't reported in the IT - they do have some comments in a similar vein from Batt O'Keeffe though).

O'Keeffe: "Too many are coming to Ireland and too many to Cork in my view". It's basically the old argument against halting sites, something like: ideally not at all, but certainly not on my door.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2002/0129/1546327954HMSOUREP.html

There's also an interesting article about the ICP and the evils of foreigners moving to Cork in the same issue: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2002/0129/1546327954HMSOUREP.html

I'm not going to blame the electorate for O'Flynn's lack of education. I blame O'Flynn for that.

It also made the BBC online news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1986000/1986739.stm

Oh, I'm not going to get into an argument over this either. It's not like the guy is a National Socialist ffs.

Cork

Are asylum seekers all legit? No?

Thats all the man was saying.

Some "lefties" took exception for politicl reasons.

Irish people are being deported from the US & Oz - Are these countries racist?

It is more worrying that Sinn Fein have got a number of TDs elected.

Bring back CJH - all is forgiven.

When the IRA have shot down people on the streets of Adare & you have SF people getting elected. I surpose they'll be looking for community policing.

Baz_

Originally posted by Cork
Irish people are being deported from the US & Oz - Are these countries racist?

yes

dahamsta

Actually, I will come back. I thought this was going to turn into an outright flame war, but maybe it can be repaired.

Are asylum seekers all legit? No?

Absolutely. You're altering the debate though, the question, as sceptre has highlighted, is: Are the majority of asylum seekers legit? I believe they are, and I believe O'Flynn was altering the facts to suit his own end.

And there is another aspect to this too: Should we turn away economic migrants too? Everyone seems to be against economic migrants, but what about those that were hardly able to live on the paltry wages being payed to them in the tax-free zones in Asia? Wouldn't they be able to perform the menial work in Ireland that Irish people don't want to do?

Some "lefties" took exception for politicl reasons.

I suppose I'm a lefty, but I didn't take exception for political reasons, I took expection because the man is quite simply a nasty piece of work. I have nothing to gain from not liking the man.

Irish people are being deported from the US & Oz - Are these countries racist?

Yes, they are.

It is more worrying that Sinn Fein have got a number of TDs elected.

Outside the topic.

Bring back CJH - all is forgiven.

Says it all really. CJH should be in jail.

When the IRA have shot down people on the streets of Adare & you have SF people getting elected. I surpose they'll be looking for community policing.

Outside the topic.

adam

Cork

And there is another aspect to this too: Should we turn away economic migrants too? Everyone seems to be against economic migrants, but what about those that were hardly able to live on the paltry wages being payed to them in the tax-free zones in Asia? Wouldn't they be able to perform the menial work in Ireland that Irish people don't want to do?

menial work - Well I am sure that there is plenty of "menial work" - especially in the leafy suberbs. Let employers pay Irish people to do these jobs. They are many computer grads looking for work at the moment. There are many areas with high unemployment. Economic migrants are really not the answer in our economy at the moment.


The US & Oz are open democratic societys.

What is Sinn Fein's Cuba or Columbia?

dahamsta

menial work - Well I am sure that there is plenty of "menial work" - especially in the leafy suberbs.

Menial work is probably a bad turn of phrase. I'm talking about low-paid jobs. Your reference to "leafy suburbs" is baffling.

Let employers pay Irish people to do these jobs.

Irish people won't do them.

They are many computer grads looking for work at the moment. There are many areas with high unemployment.

Aye, and there are many jobs unfilled. Have you seen the posters adorning McDonalds in the past few years?

Economic migrants are really not the answer in our economy at the moment.

No, they're not an answer, and I didn't say they were. They're an imperfect but acceptible solution, for both Ireland and the migrants themselves.

The US & Oz are open democratic societys.

Off-topic. And the US and Australia are not democracies, they're republics -- there's a difference. They're also two of the most intolerant first-world states in the world at the moment. Australia's Minister for Communications, Information Technology and The Arts is a luddite for gods sake.

What is Sinn Fein's Cuba or Columbia?

Off-topic.

adam

Cork

Well - you are purposing to bring in people into Ireland to do low paid jobs. There are still many in this country without jobs. My own job is pretty much low paid. I will leave it when I get a better one. The economy is not growing as fast as it was - your arguement is outdated.

Austraila is not a republic. The queen of England is their head of state.

Austrailia is a cool country. USA - Land of the free & home of the brave.

Cork

Have you seen the posters adorning McDonalds in the past few years?

I know people who could not get a job in McDonalds.


You base you knowledge of the jobs market on ads displayed on shop windows.

Have you either rang recruitment agencies or looked at newspapers recently?

Let, you want to leave people into Ireland to work in a Amercian Fast Food outlet.

dahamsta

There are still many in this country without jobs.

Indeed, yet there are a rake of low-paying jobs out there. Thank you for proving my point.

The economy is not growing as fast as it was - your arguement is outdated.

See above.

Austraila is not a republic. The queen of England is their head of state.

As a matter of fact, Australia is a Commonwealth:

commonwealth [kómm?n welth] (plural commonwealths) noun

1. a nation or its people: a nation or its people considered as a political entity
2. republic: a nation or state in which the people govern
3. association of states: a group of states that have formed an association for the political and economic benefit of all members
4. people with common interest: a group of people linked by something that they all have in common

Encarta® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1999, 2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.

adam

Victor

Going off topic - locked.