Hah! G'wan the Leverkusen!

PiE · 24-04-2002 8:40pm #1

Even though I hate them for getting jammy vs Liverpool... I'd rather see them go through that Man Utd :]

Should've won aswell.

RasTa · 24-04-2002 8:43pm

aye we played crap 2night,they shoulda won... but they didnt!
now all we gotta do is win next week,easier said than done
only good thing from 2nights match is keane's back...

Littletinyman · 24-04-2002 8:58pm

Ugh - horrible game from a Man Utd point of view. Leverkusen definitely deserved to win, and with two away goals it's looking very dodgy for Utd in the return leg.

mike65 · 24-04-2002 9:23pm

I thought Bayer were very impressive, they took the game to Utd who as a team were' nt really happening, they looked like the away side. And both the Utd goals were not "proper" ie a deflection and a penalty rather than skill having anything to do with it!

I fancy Leverkusen for the Cup....

Mike.

Mossy Monk · 24-04-2002 9:57pm

United were destroyed tonight. a lucky goal and a penalty was all they could produce. well done to Bayer Leverkusen though. they closed down United players with relative ease.
how many fags does that Leverkusen manager go through every match? :eek:

my tip for the cup is Real Madrid

Pigman · 24-04-2002 11:04pm

Well it's been shown time and time again this season that Bayer are about a million times better at home than away ... so I fear for Uniteds chances in the second leg! HOORAY!

bucks73 · 25-04-2002 7:59am

Brutal performance. Scholes and Butt were excellent but thanks to Veron and Solksjaer in midfield they had too much work to do on their own.

I wouldnt start that £28 million muppet next week. Sure he passed to RVN for the penalty but what else did he do. Someone said last week that he was bought for the big games. Well he was nowhere to be seen last night.

Bateman · 25-04-2002 10:07am

>>my tip for the cup is Real Madrid

Wow, thats some cristal ball you have there. They are one of only 4 teams left, and are 2-0 up before their home second leg. Brave prediction. They have to be the favourites at this stage though, and rightly so.

United never really got moving last night, I think Bayer will do it at home. I can see United scoring, but can't see them keeping a clean sheet. However, what annoys me most is people calling Leverkusen jammy and boring. They played with 4 at the back, the samed as United, and just because their players aren't all household names, doesn't mean they are boring. Ballack, Neuville, and Ze Roberto are all tremendous players, and although they don't have the flair of Beckham or Giggs, few teams do. They thoroughly deserved to go through at the expense of Liverpool, and will have the CLASS, and probably the luck too, to take United at home. But with keane back you never know. Actually that reminds me, wasn't Keane supposed to be out for 4 weeks? Pah! :rolleyes:

bucks73 · 25-04-2002 2:14pm

I was expecting Keane to play next week but they had to bring him on last night. Scholes and Butt just had too much ground to cover on their own. Next week should see the midfield of Keane, Scholes, Butt and Giigs return with Ole and RVN up front. That and the possible return of Ronnie Jonsen would really strengthen the side. Plus they are capable of scoring two goals again. It will be very tight...tough one to call.

Bateman · 25-04-2002 2:27pm

Well I wouldn't start Butt instead of Veron, but maybe Keane and Veron don't play well together, and if Keane gets booked next week, he will get a suspension. United are capable of scoring twice alright, but even with Johnsen, are they capable of keeping a clean sheet? I doubt it.

bucks73 · 25-04-2002 3:18pm

Bateman,

I have a feeling you are a big Veron fan.:p

Butt and Scholes were magnificent last Saturday and again last night. Also Uniteds excellent run in December and January just happened to coincide with Butts run in the side alongside Keane.

mike65 · 25-04-2002 6:08pm

I bet Mick McCarthy was having kittens for the 12 mins that Keane was on the pitch, whats more if you can belive todays Herald he'll be playing full parts in both Saturdays game and next Tuesday.

Fingers crossed everyone!

Mike.

Bateman · 25-04-2002 6:28pm

I'm not a Veron fan. But I also think Butt is useless and Scholes os over-rated. And they are both dirty bastards.

cournioni · 25-04-2002 7:11pm

Yup, poor performance last night. But it will only Spur us on even more to win over there. I reckon we will win 3-1.

Their goals were two of the worst I've seen in my life.

Mossy Monk · 25-04-2002 10:12pm

Originally posted by Bateman
Wow, thats some cristal ball you have there. They are one of only 4 teams left, and are 2-0 up before their home second leg. Brave prediction. They have to be the favourites at this stage though, and rightly so.

they are hot favourites now but Leverkusen could give them a little bit of a shock if they get through next Tuesday. anything can happen though. Barcelona still have a small chance :rolleyes:

joey D · 26-04-2002 4:04pm

bateman, you're misinformed dude, veron is a flop, scholes = pure class, butt = seems to be maturing into a half-decent player, so what if they're 'dirty bastards'?

cournioni · 26-04-2002 4:53pm

Originally posted by Bateman
I'm not a Veron fan. But I also think Butt is useless and Scholes os over-rated. And they are both dirty bastards.

So what do you have to say about Keane then?

Bateman · 26-04-2002 5:19pm

What do I have to say about Keane? I would say that although he still picks up a lot of bookings this is from determination more than anything else. Contrary to popular belief he has improved as a player in recent years because he has managed to curb his violent streak. You can be competitive without losing your temper. Scholes and Butt are learning, but neither will ever be as good as Keane, in my view, although Scholes is a different type of player anyway.

Man Utd will probably finish this season with no trophies. That will be a disspointment, and people (Utd fans especially) will have to start asking themselves why 28 million was spent on a midfielder, when you've already got the best 4 man line in the league, and a 30 odd year old centre back was brought in for nothing. Now I know they were not planning on selling Stam (they probably knew about the drugs thing), but the 28 million was wasted on Veron; he's not a flop, he was just a needless luxury as far as Uni'eh are concerned. End.

cournioni · 26-04-2002 5:36pm

Originally posted by Bateman
Man Utd will probably finish this season with no trophies. That will be a disspointment, and people (Utd fans especially) will have to start asking themselves why 28 million was spent on a midfielder, when you've already got the best 4 man line in the league, and a 30 odd year old centre back was brought in for nothing. Now I know they were not planning on selling Stam (they probably knew about the drugs thing), but the 28 million was wasted on Veron; he's not a flop, he was just a needless luxury as far as Uni'eh are concerned. End.

The Arsenal supporters were probably saying the same about Pires last season, last season he was a flop. But look at him now, he's up there with the best players in the premiership.

Now what do you have to say?

Littletinyman · 26-04-2002 5:52pm

Utd should have bought Lee Carsley instead of Veron, he's probably one of the best all-round midfielders to grace the game in the last ten years and he's extremely underrated.

Bateman · 26-04-2002 5:59pm

What do I have to say now? Well youare comparing Veron's situation with that of Pires, which I don't think is like with like. Veron doesn't need to prove himself, Pires did need to prove himself and did prove himself. Veron has not been a "flop", in that he has not been playing regularly enough, which is understandable given the outstanding middle line Utd have. When he does play, he doesn't even seem to know what position he is playing in. So you are predicting Veron to "do a Pires" next season and prove the doubters wrong? Fair enough, I don't particularly care, not being a Utd supporter, but I feel he will not be given the opportunity to improve on a Pires scale, but if he does, I will not be too surprised.
This is a very bland topic anyway, or at least it was until someone suggested that United should have signed Rivaldo Carsley. A bit of humour never goes amiss, eh Lee?

Littletinyman · 26-04-2002 6:05pm

What humour?

mike65 · 26-04-2002 6:11pm

I'd guess Veron will be back in Italy by mid summer and
they won't get anything like £28million for him. Anyway,
why did Fergie see the need to buy him, as stated above the Man Utd midfield was pretty good already. If you just need extra bodies you don't spend that kind of money, was he expecting to loose someone but did'nt?

Mike.

Bateman · 26-04-2002 6:33pm

Thats also possible actually, maybe he was close to selling Butt/Scholes...but I still maintain that he is/was the wrong typoe of player to compliment Keane.

woosaysdan · 29-04-2002 3:01pm

MAN UTD 4 the cup!!! United will raise their game to a level greater than leverkusen have ever seen!!! remember Turin??? their away form is far superior this season we've scored more goals and won more matches away from home this season!!! UNITED ALL THE WAY.COME DA REDS!!!

mike65 · 30-04-2002 6:07pm

Tonights game- anyone fancy a quick prediction?

I'll go for 2-2 and heartbreak for Man Utd, hopefully!

Mike.

Bateman · 30-04-2002 6:10pm

Hmn, I think I'll have a 0-0 or 1-1 draw.

Mthor5 · 30-04-2002 6:43pm

bayer 4 ...3 mancs:D

PiE · 30-04-2002 9:00pm

Originally posted by woosaysdan
MAN UTD 4 the cup!!! United will raise their game to a level greater than leverkusen have ever seen!!! remember Turin??? their away form is far superior this season we've scored more goals and won more matches away from home this season!!! UNITED ALL THE WAY.COME DA REDS!!!

Chortle chortle...

Ahhhhh... Leverkusen for the Double (Treble?), no shame being beaten by the best ;]

mike65 · 30-04-2002 10:02pm

Doh!

2-2 would have meant extra time of course!
Well done Leverkusen though your injury list is looking ominous.
Now come on the Arse next wednesday...(did I realy say that? :eek: )

Mike.

Mossy Monk · 30-04-2002 11:48pm

that guy with the ponytail (his name escapes me) again had a solid performance. he is fantastic. Keane scored a fantastic goal though

Balfa · 01-05-2002 12:08am

placentae?

it'd really suck to be named after a part of the womb

Johnny_the_fox · 01-05-2002 12:11am

unlucky scum

Jake · 01-05-2002 12:14am

Of all the highlights of tonights game I think I got the most pleasure from the comment from ferguson in the post match press conference where he said in regard to Leverkusens stunning equaliser.............. I think the ref played more than the two minutes of add on time, or words to that effect.
hee hee

king of fifa · 01-05-2002 12:38am

the only person i feel sorry is Mr. Keane; what a performance.but on the other hand .....................................

YOU WON NOTHING THIS YEAR, NOTHING THIS YEAR
YOU WON NOTHING THIS YEAR NOTHING THIS YEAR

PiE · 01-05-2002 12:29pm

Shurup! League's not over yet, don't jinx it!

woosaysdan · 01-05-2002 3:27pm

Congrats to all the Leverkusen fans, Leverkusen wannibies and all da A.B.U.s fans!!!! We were beaten by a great goal and by a great team!!! Though da away goals rule is such a bad way to get knocked out of a tournament, any tournament not cos i'm a United fan trying to make excuses but cos no one won the game or lost it for that matter!!! But well done to all da Leverkusen fans!!!Congrats!!

suppafly · 01-05-2002 3:40pm

Originally posted by woosaysdan
Though da away goals rule is such a bad way to get knocked out of a tournament, any tournament not cos i'm a United fan trying to make excuses but cos no one won the game or lost it for that matter!!!

Yeah I would agree with u there woosaysdan it kind of sux but united played pretty bad. There passing was very sloppy at time and way to casual. All of the players were losing the ball really easily and also not closing down the leverkusen players enough. It was a superb goal by Keano though, sheer class!

Hah! G'wan the Leverkusen!

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