Eircom DSL Costs.

Ba$tard

http://mmm.eircom.ie/mouse/domore/istream.htm

According to that page, which is updated as of today, costs are still sickeningly high...

I rang the 1800503503 DSL info number....guess what?

"We're terribly sowwy, but the number that you dialled with your fingerinies is invalid, and so is that department and its director"

J.

mdf

The retail prices won't eb announced till next week, so don't believe what you read until then

mdf

As I said before, wait until the RETAIL prices come out

ando

Originally posted by longword
Wholesale rates of €49 for 512k, €79 for 1Mbit.

Why is there a big difference between the two

eh, is this a joke?
Your talking about twice the speed, twice the bandwidth? You cant expect them to be the same price wise?

anyway €79 is extremely good I think Just hope that when final pricing comes out, not to much will be added for the retail price

ironfist77

Originally posted by Bard
*cough* *splutter* €350 connection fee ??!?!?!?!!?!!!

Ouch , this seems very expensive .Is any body else surprised by this figure or was this connection fee to be expected ?

Kulgan

Originally posted by mdf
As I said before, wait until the RETAIL prices come out

nahdoic

why didn't you ring 1800 512 128 ?

Cork

I think €49 per month - Check out Aertel Page 130. There is another of €79 for higher speeds.

What will this include?

Felix Randel

thats whole sale

nahdoic

Originally posted by Cork
I think €49 per month - Check out Aertel Page 130. There is another of €79 for higher speeds.

What will this include?

that's wholesale. That's how much it will cost other operators to provide ADSL services to you. So on top of €49 they need to charge enough to make a profit and cover other expenses, like paying for the international bandwidth you download and more.

http://www.rte.ie/aertel/p136.htm

EIRCOM SETTLES ADSL PRICING ROW

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Eircom has resolved its dispute with the telecoms regulator Etain Doyle over its pricing structure for ADSL high speed internet services. The regulator was unhappy with the wholesale charges to other operators for accessing the network. The price has now been reduced from E75 per month to E49 per month, with a higher speed available for E79 a month. Eircom is investing E125m in its rollout of DSL and says it will be available to 500,000 Dublin customers within a few weeks.

Winters

I would like to know what the speed differance is. weather 512k is for E49 and 1mb/s is E79. I suppose we will have to wait a while to find out. Still. Its good news.

Arboration

What do you guys think of 50 quid a month?
You thinks its decent ?
I mean its only 40 in england for the same thing but how and ever?


I mean; I doubt I'd actually go over the limit of 3GB a month, but I will admit 3c per MB is pretty steep..

-frownies.

dahamsta

Would everyone /please/ pay attention? The prices being quoted are /wholesale/ prices!!!

adam

Arboration

I pwn u.


Anyway--

Wholesale means-- They could be higher ?
They could be lower ?

Chickens are half price at Tesco's ?

DiscoStu

http://mmm.eircom.ie/mouse/domore/istream_cost.htm

i would rather have my balls chopped off than pay that.

sceptre

Originally posted by Arboration

Wholesale means-- They could be higher ?
They could be lower ?

Chickens are half price at Tesco's ?

Wholesale means:

Retail will be higher

(unless there's some kind of kamikaze operator out there who reckons he can make a profit by selling DSL as a loss-leader in order to flog you full-price chickens at a profit)

infomat

Originally posted by dahamsta
Would everyone /please/ pay attention? The prices being quoted are /wholesale/ prices!!!

adam

Assuming a traditional markup of 33% (looking back in to the price) 49 becomes 73.50 and then you add 21% VAT bringing the price Euro 88.94. I would therefore be very surprised if the lowest package will be less than Euro 85.

This is only a guess ... and to be honest I would not be surprised if the is no reduction.

aidan_dunne

Originally posted by ando
anyway €79 is extremely good I think

€79 is a crazy price, as far as I'm concerned, but people like yourself are so desperate for ADSL that they will now take it at any price, it seems. Therefore, Eircom have won another battle in my view because they now know that they can go through this whole procedure with any other product in the future and will still end up basically charging ridiculous prices for services by making people desperate for them.

You should not be happy with these prices. You should not have to settle for this crap. Where's all the fighting spirit gone? Are people so desperate for ADSL now that they will lie down and let Eircom walk all over them? Please people, keep on fighting to get the cost reduced.

ando

Originally posted by aidan_dunne
€79 is a crazy price, as far as I'm concerned

I think your living in make belief land, a 1meg connection to the internet at €79 euro a month... that IS a good price, especially for a country with no form of commercial dsl yet available. I mean, I work with companies every day that are paying thousands and thousands, unbelievable prices for 128kbps/1meg/2meg lines etc etc

segadreamcast

I was just told by Eircom ADSL (old number: 1800 202 275) that there will be a cap. Is this true? If it is:

We haven't got enough.

-Toppy-

Yup your right there, 79 euro is not even 50 quid sterling, and correct me if im wrong but prices in the uk have only reached that level very recently. Considering where I work we pay just under 10k for a 64k leased line, (yes youre reading that right) i think 79 euro is fine, just fine (yes we have looked at other leased line providers, but the amount of times we have been told because of where our premsises is in Cork City (Douglas) that we'd end up paying eircom interconnect fees and then pay uu, worldcom etc.

Cheers
-Toppy-

Felix Randel

listen forget the cap, the T&C makes no refference to it.

Any cap would have to be in the T&C. They may or may not have a cap.

The real question is, what if you switch from eircom to esat or some other company, do you have to pay that connection fee again

aidan_dunne

But these are wholesale prices were talking about here. Wait till the full retail prices are released. I reckon we're going to be looking at €150 retail at least for the 1Mbit connection and that, in my opinion, is still way over the odds. If is was €79 all in I wouldn't complain, but not €150 plus. That's a rip-off, plain and simple, in my opinion.

conZ

i would rather have my balls chopped off than pay that.

discoStu...
are u telling me that u would let ur balls be chopped off because u dont want to pay €80??

Moriarty

Originally posted by Arboration
What do you guys think of 50 quid a month?
You thinks its decent ?
I mean its only 40 in england for the same thing but how and ever?


I mean; I doubt I'd actually go over the limit of 3GB a month, but I will admit 3c per MB is pretty steep..

-frownies.

Just as a side note.. Similar packages to the basic one offered by eircom (eg: a 512/256kb adsl line, compared to a 512/128kb one offered by eircom iirc?) are retailing for £25 including VAT per month for end-customers, or less, depending on the ISP that you go for.
<edit> There is also no cap on your bandwidth with any DSL offering in the UK</edit>

Dustaz

Originally posted by Felix Randel
listen forget the cap, the T&C makes no refference to it.

Any cap would have to be in the T&C. They may or may not have a cap.

The real question is, what if you switch from eircom to esat or some other company, do you have to pay that connection fee again

Theres a cap.

Felix Randel

Says who? forget past prices and flavours of service. its all a new and no one, not even yourself can say weather or not there is a cap, or even how enforcable that cap will be

aidan_dunne

Originally posted by conZ

discoStu...
are u telling me that u would let ur balls be chopped off because u dont want to pay €80??

Personally, I'd prefer to hang onto my goolies........

segadreamcast

Originally posted by Felix Randel
Says who? forget past prices and flavours of service. its all a new and no one, not even yourself can say weather or not there is a cap, or even how enforcable that cap will be

Well Eircom seems to be saying it...after a four minute consultation in the background, I was told there *was* a cap. If this is true, I for one, am absolutely disgusted.

dahamsta

I'm going to post on pricing here, although this applies to Aidan's comments in the other thread to:

We have to be realistic folks. We can't expect the Internet marketplace to go from ogre to teddy bear in a few minutes, because it's it's just not going to happen. For a start, DSL rollouts cost money, and now is a bad time for companies to be making capital investments. Eircom has to buy and install DSLAM's and other equipment, it has to upgrade capacity, and it has to pay the workers who do that. It doesn't come cheap, and it has to be paid for somehow. "Somehow" in this case - and a lot of cases like this - is early adopters. This is a fact of life.

And secondly, comparing Irish DSL to UK DSL is comparing apples and oranges. The infrastructure scales, but the markets are completely different. The UK has had DSL for several years now, and they've had FRIACO too. It's competitive, which is driving prices down, hard and fast. If Ireland becomes competitive, the same will happen here. And need I remind you that the UK has had it's fair share of complaints about DSL pricing too?

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying, "it's life, get over it". And I'm not saying the prices will come down, because that's dependant on a lot of factors right now, including whether or not the Comms Bill passes tomorrow, and in what state; and whether or not OLO's decide to take Eircom up on the offer.

I honestly don't think now is the time to start a battle on price. The product isn't even available yet, we have no idea how the market will react to it, and we have no idea if a flat-rate stepping stone is going to come to fruition. Let's just keep an eye on things for a week or two. Believe me, there's plenty more for us to get angry about.

adam

dahamsta

Aidan, I've responded to your posts on pricing in the other thread, entitled "Eircom DSL costs". Dustaz, how about merging the relevant posts from here in there?

adam`

Done

aidan_dunne

Okay Adam, I understand what you're saying and, of course, you are right. We can't compare the Irish and UK prices because of the factors you've mentioned.

It's just that it's a very bitter pill to swallow, looking at the prices they get flat-rate or DSL access in the UK for and comparing them to the Irish prices. As you said, we can't compare them like for like but seeing what they are getting across the pond is just such a pain in the ar$e, isn't it?

infomat

Originally posted by Bard
*cough* *splutter* €350 connection fee ??!?!?!?!!?!!!

http://mmm.eircom.ie/about/PressReleases/PressRelease.asp?id=378

I assume that this is the connection fee for the Service Provider (for example: Esat) and that this cost would be spread across a number of end users

Jorinn

Did anyone else notice that there was no mention of a cap on wholesale prices (then again why would there be?)? /me thinks someone should offer the service without a cap and then watch everyone flock to them instead of eircom with their capped service.

strat

aye i was wondering about he cap for wholesale products

if theres a cap on them then there is no hope

dahamsta

It's just that it's a very bitter pill to swallow...

... just such a pain in the ar$e, isn't it?

Absolutely. But unfortunately we should swallow the bitter bill for the moment, and move on. Believe me Aidan, pricing will become an issue -- if IrelandOffline doesn't tackle it, you can bet your bippy someone else will. But the Big Push is on now for FRIACO. The committee has been beavering away in the background gathering information, and if the push to get the Comms Bill amended tomorrow isn't successful, I imagine you will be seeing some very hard-hitting facts being published in the media in the next week or two. Verifiable facts. Undeniable facts.

Who was it said: "You can run, but you can't hide"?

adam

aidan_dunne

That sounds like it would be fun. I'd love to see all those "undeniable facts" being brought out into the public spotlight for the general public to have a look at, especially the poor sods who do not know how badly they are being ripped off at the moment and are unknowingly believing all the crap Eircom throws at them. If they see how badly they are being treated and how badly they are being ripped off, I think you'll find a sudden increase in the membership numbers for Ireland Offline and that certainly can't be a bad thing.

As for the push to get FRIACO going, that's something I've been hoping would happen for a long time. As it stands, ADSL is not something I'd be too worried about but getting a reasonably priced, 24/7 flat-rate product would be. Besides, living in Portlaoise I won't see ADSL for at least another decade, the way things are going, but myself and everybody I know are desperate for flat-rate.

dahamsta

I'd love to see all those "undeniable facts" being brought out into the public spotlight for the general public to have a look at

Actually, and personally speaking, I would prefer to see this stuff buried forevermore, and see a competitive environment out there. The mischevious side of me wants to see the lies and deceit tackled publicly, Mark Thomas-style, but that's a last resort in politics. Let's hope IO don't need to continue investigating the comms companies. It's not as if they[1] haven't worn themselves ragged with it already.

especially the poor sods who do not know how badly they are being ripped off at the moment and are unknowingly believing all the crap Eircom throws at them.

Eircom aren't the only people flinging guff out there. They're /all/ guilty of one kind of deceit or other, from misdirection all the way up to outright lies.

I think you'll find a sudden increase in the membership numbers for Ireland Offline and that certainly can't be a bad thing.

Indeed. But wouldn't it be wonderful if IrelandOffline was able to "do a CUT" and disband tomorrow?

living in Portlaoise I won't see ADSL for at least another decade, the way things are going, but myself and everybody I know are desperate for flat-rate.

Well, here's something for you - I live in a suburb in Cork, about a mile out from the City Centre, and it's unlikely I'll be able to get ADSL either, because my exchange is problematical. So I'm fighting my own corner too.

adam

[1] I say 'they' cos hell, I'm just a mouthpiece - the other guys do all the work, I'm just louder than them.

DiscoStu

Originally posted by conZ

discoStu...
are u telling me that u would let ur balls be chopped off because u dont want to pay €80??

this is from the page i linked to:

Connecting to eircom i-stream solo will cost you €151.25 A monthly fee of €133.10 applies thereafter

now where people are getting €80 a month is beyond me.

Dangger

But the prices have not been "officially" released yet. We'll just have to wait

Bard

some so-called "solid" info:
http://mmm.eircom.ie/about/PressReleases/PressRelease.asp?id=378

infomat

Originally posted by DiscoStu


this is from the page i linked to:



now where people are getting €80 a month is beyond me.

What page ... retail prices have not yet been announced?
Here is how I derived what is I believe the best price that we can hope for.
Wholesale price = Euro 49
Add 50%(typical 33% retail mark up) to this bringing the price to Euro 73.5 then add 21% VAT bringing the price to Euro 88.94.

This is only a guess but it would appear that the Irish Times agree with this as they predicted a price between eighty and ninety Euros.

This is all pure speculation.

sikes

i would also expect that region for solo with esat and nevada offering that service no caps. :-)

Then the 1mb down i think €140 all inc is a good estimate. things are really moving in this ball game. I think its because of ioffl. Broadband yesterday then the comms bill today

ando

www.adsl.ie has been updated today following yesturdays anouncement. no prices yet, sometime next week i guess

infomat

Originally posted by sikes
i would also expect that region for solo with esat and nevada offering that service no caps. :-)

Then the 1mb down i think €140 all inc is a good estimate. things are really moving in this ball game. I think its because of ioffl. Broadband yesterday then the comms bill today

To be honest I would be willing to pay Euro 140 for the higher speed service without a cap.