The influence of Drugs

Monkey

This issue was kind of raised on the stupid "Dance music sucks" thread but everyone knows that drugs (in particular e) are a big part of the dance scene.

I like some dance music like Leftfield, New Order and Daft Punk but can the really hardcore techno, hard house etc really be enjoyed by people who are not off their head? I'm not slagging dance music here I'm actually interested in opinions.

At Witnness last year I went into see one of the guys from Leftfield DJing and it was awfull, all it was was a pounding repetitive beat that'd occasionally change to a differrent pounding reptetive beat. i found it hard to respect that as music and not just noise to appeall to yolked up people.

azezil

Originally posted by Monkey
can the really hardcore techno, hard house etc really be enjoyed by people who are not off their head?

Yes, I like that music, and no i have never taken 'e' or any other drugs for that matter.

FatB

Personnally, I take no drugs (apart from alcohol), but I love listening to "Hard, Fast and Funky" tunes! I dont believe that you have to be high as a kite to "enjoy" that sort of music, I mean, I get my "buzz" from the beats, sounds and rythem.

The Dubliner

ya dont need drugs (includin' alcohol) to enjoy any form of music all ya need is a savage beat and that 'll get anyone on a NATURAL
high....


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Karl Hungus

While I'm sure enough that it's possible to 'Enjoy' that music on a level without being off your head, this has actualy reminded of something else.

There was some debate on whether it should be right for the police to arrest someone for carrying rave gear; glow wands and all other such ridiculous junk like massive hats and all such... On the grounds that it was drug related, and all the silly stuff was used to make you feel more "Tripped-Out" and so on.

Any views on that?


But of course, there's always going to be stereotyping.
Dance music and Exstacy.
Heavy Metal and beer.
Reggae and Ganja.

Mightn't be true half the time, just how the 'majority' view it.

wiredtothemoon

drugs are never "necessary", if they are then you have a problem. having said that i do take e and other drugs on occasion, not very often tho. more often than not, i go to a club and don't bother to have anything more than a few beers.

is that really so bad compared to the hordes of irish people (not everyone of course) who think that drinking 20 pints, kicking the crap out of someone for no reason and waking up in your own vomit the next morning is a great night out?

it's a matter of personal choice imo.

originally posted by AngelWhore
There was some debate on whether it should be right for the police to arrest someone for carrying rave gear; glow wands and all other such ridiculous junk like massive hats and all such... On the grounds that it was drug related, and all the silly stuff was used to make you feel more "Tripped-Out" and so on.

Any views on that?

sounds like a very very bad idea to me, and things are bad enough as they are. (you can tell who is on drugs and who isn't easily enough anyway regardless of what they are wearing/carrying)

my personal opinion (not trolling here but feel free to disagree) is that all drugs should be available to anyone who wants them because prohibition is a failure (and is counter-productive to its aims).

Lenny

Do you know any recovering herione addicts?
Thres lives are destroyed, and who gets hit the most by it, by no choice at all is thier kids. If people were allowed to drugs, then would it be a criminal offence to spike someone's drink with date-rape drug? wheres the proof that this person didn't take this to their own discression?

wiredtothemoon

originally posted by OJ
Do you know any recovering herione addicts?

yes, 1 - my cousin in liverpool. talking to her would scare the living crap out of anyone even considering trying it. she's been off it for 5 years and still classes herself as an addict and says every day is a struggle.

regarding heroin, a scheme in switzerland (which once had one of the highest rates of heroin use, HIV and hepatitis in europe) whereby the worst addicts can register to receive daily heroin injected by a doctor in a controlled fashion has proved effective in reducing deaths. it also has the obvious effect of reducing demand for heroin on the street, which reduces the number of pushers.

this, naturally, reduces the need for addicts to turn to crime to feed what would otherwise be a hugely expensive addiction.

they have also found that the average age of addicts is increasing, due to less young people starting to use it and addicts living longer.

i'm sure that this scheme has its bad points also, but you have to commend the idea that sticking your head in the sand and throwing increasingly vast amounts of money at the problem won't make it go away. maybe it will backfire on them, but at least they are trying, and it may well work in the long term. fresh thinking is a good thing.

AFAIK switzerland is the only country in europe where the rate of addiction is slowing, and not increasing rapidly. (anyone see the story on rte news about how portlaoise now has a major heroin problem?? I live in a small quiet one-pub midlands town (not near portlaoise) and i have occasionally seen needles lying around.)

regarding cannabis, holland has a lower percentage of regular smokers than many other european countries. why is that?

drug use and misuse continues to increase rapidly in ireland and people have to realise that the problem will never be defeated, so why not try to control it.

i don't mean to be overbearing or lecturing and i certainly don't have all the answers, but surely when the policy of prohibition has seen (and perhaps to an extent caused) massive increases in drug abuse isn't it time to consider a fresh approach?

anyone else have opinions about this?

also- heres a few articles i found, no doubt there are many more but i havent time at the mo.
again i'm not lecturing but so many people seem to have strong opinions about drugs without necessarily knowing much about the subject.

Swiss Help for Heroin Addicts
Switzerland's Heroin Experiment
New Scientist - Marijuana Special Report

finally it is my belief that nobody has the right to tell me what i can and cannot put into my own body.

freemasons

Originally posted by OJ
Do you know any recovering herione addicts?
Thres lives are destroyed, and who gets hit the most by it, by no choice at all is thier kids. If people were allowed to drugs, then would it be a criminal offence to spike someone's drink with date-rape drug? wheres the proof that this person didn't take this to their own discression?

i agree.

if drugs are going to be legalised, i think there should be some sort of registry in place. that way lets say for instance i want to do E, i register to do it, then i'm allowed. that way if i turn up dead some day, and they check my body for drugs, and they find heroine, then they know that i mist have been spiked, because i havent been spiked.

the same would go for date rape drugs. if someone wants to take them of their own choice, they can register to take it. that way when some girl i'm with starts making out i raped her, i can point to her registration details and say "hey, you are registered to take the date rape drugs, i couldnt have raped you."

i think thats the best approach to the problem.

G

I agree that really hardcore stuff like gabba etc is mind-numbing bs & you'd need a large dose to tolerate it.

Cake Fiend

I've some ear-splitting sh1t on my hard drive I'd never even think of listening to sober.

Kolodny

Not sure about this taking drugs to enjoy nasty hardcore stuff... Why not listen to something else you can enjoy sober and save your self a fortune...

Ser

if you need drugs to enjot the music, its not for you. if the music sounds repetitive , thats prolly ur fault, music will sound liek that till you can understand and hear it more, unless you are a DJ/producer, and understand how the music is made, you wont realy hear whats going on. only when you start to do it yourself, you will realize how hard it actualy is.

drugs may make the musik/scene seem better, but its just fake realy.


not letting the music control me, but letting it guide me...