whats your prob

chernobyl

joe22 wrote this
"if its two way sat then it might be worth it but not one way"
@ http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum3/HTML/001966.html

What your prob with one way satellite.
i am currently using Europeonline and get sustained transfers of 30KB/sec and up.
i will soon have starspeeder which will offer tranfers up to 50KB/sec.
in the past i used SkyDSL which offer full ADSL speeds of 1.5MB/sec.
now those speeds will certainly shut you up.

Kali

I'd say hes refering to the fact that with conventional one-way satellite you still have to use a normal phoneline and dialup as an upstream connection.

You seem to only refer to download speeds, which impressive they are, mean **** to me (personally) if not paired with a corresponding upload speed.

Mind posting up the costs for each of those services and their availability/setup time etc. ? I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in them, as facts and personal experience in this area are hard to come by.

chernobyl

Listen man, what do you need a high speed return channel for?
Only gamers really need this.
And internet via satellite is not suitable for gaming if they keep using fixed position satellites.
Costs are okay.
£220 for europeonline.
This package gives you a one year subscription, the satellite modem (aka)DVB card.
you will need to buy the dish(about £100 for dish and installation(you will need no more than a 60cm dish but go 80cm for safety)).
Starspeeder will cost about £300 for all hardware and 1/4 year subscription.
hardware includes DVB card, dish and cable.
SkyDSL is too hard for most to get and costs a fair bit(they offer different speeds which you decide.if you download at any speed above 128Kbits/sec then you are charged per 180Kbytes or 180seconds).
SkyDSL can give you a mega 8Mbits connection or 1.5Mbytes downloads(thats commercial T1)..
kickass!!

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Joe22

to many ifs a buts with this sat stuff, the lag makes is worthless for games and surfing
the one way thing wake it a pain in the ass having to have a modem aswell and(im presuming here)I guess still another isp like esat to upload, then the tech is abite hard to get your head around, I know few who just said **** it after paying that money,
but a two way sat deal would be hell of allot more attractive, the way it works is the same sat but they go down to and exchange server building and then that transmit to you locally, so this cuts the lag in half and gives you two way,

but this whole situation in Ireland getting me down and I have to admit, im buy a new pc in about 5 months for £2500 sterling another 520 might not be that bad. of course ill expect tech support.

WhiteWashMan

2500 quid sterling for a pc?
are you mad?
what sort of beast is this that we may point our little fingers and snigger behind cupped hands?

Joe22

19" monitor
geforce 2 64 ddr pro
Coolercase "Extreme-XS" (431W PSU)
Pioneer DVD-105 Retail with hardware decoding
45 gig ata 100 7200 hard drive
16x8x40 cd rw
1 gig of pc 2100 cas 2.5 ddr ram
Creative Labs Desktop Theatre 5.1 DTT2200
and as soon as it hits an abit dual t bird mother board with 1.2gig 266fsb cpus
but if it doesnt hit soon enought ill get a
Abit KT7A-RAID with the one 1.2gig cpu

250 zip drive oem ide with 1gig of media

then theres aloud of other little things

beleive me 2500 sterling is cheap, and im getting it from a reliable source

Edit (all those little extras like advances cooler system and optical mouse and natural keyboard and an abite hotrod ata 100 controler add a fair bite to it in the end)
you didnt think i was buying a dell did you


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sutty

Hate to point this out but.

1) the hotrod controler is made by Hi-point Tech

2) it comes on the KT7a -RAID

3)there is no need for a 400+w psu (all you need is 300w and gerry even got an athlon runnen of of a 230w

4)The KT7A -RAID does not support DDR mem (AND YOU DONT NEED A GIG, I have 512 and thats more than enough to do anything)

5) you dont even need the cooler case. you will more than likey get a AXIA cpu you just get a good Hs/f and mod a crapy case for your-self. Maplen do a good case for 40 pound and a 300w psu from peats is like 30-40 pound (you just saved your self loads of money that way)

you where taken in by someones sale's pitch

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darrenk

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:

the way it works is the same sat but they go down to and exchange server building and then that transmit to you locally, so this cuts the lag in half and gives you two way,
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Can you stop talking ****..please.
Two way (bi-directional)satellite produces far higer pings that one way(uni-directional).
A round trip for a ping in one way for me is
ping sent from ireland to a proxy server in germany(1/2000km not sure 8-)) then up(44000km) to the sat and again down(440000km) to me.
about 90000km.
but with 2 way you ping travels up 44000KM,down 44000KM,up again 44000KM and again down 44000KM(about well over 1000 approaching 1500ms).

Who the **** puts 1gig of ram in a machine for home use.
ps your machine dosent support DDR, so you will have no ram.
i smell lots of crap eminating from you joe22

Gerry

I'm sure plenty of other people are getting annoyed with the atrocious spelling and grammar on this board. There are a lot of people who seem to have bunked english for a few years, or else think bad spelling and grammar is acceptable on the net, and are too lazy. Sorry if this sounds stupidly snobby, but there is a spell check button.

Anyway, I agree with what sutty said about joes "beast" machine.

For £2500 sterling I would expect a 22" flat screen ( i.e. trinitron, diamondtron etc ).
I'd also want 2 or more ~40 gig drives in raid 0. A top of the range cpu like the 1.33 ghz tbird would be nice also. A geforce2 ultra should be in that price as well.

Also the machine will be very noisy, and I'm not sure if you know how to quieten it down. ( which would defeat the purpose of buying the coolercase, I know ).

400 watt power supplies are for people who use peltiers on their cpu's, you might need it also if you have 8 ide devices.

Believe it or not, I have a 1 ghz axia tbird running at 1430mhz @ 1.85 volts, on a 235watt power supply. It has been on for 2 days, under full load and no crashes. Its the quality of the power supply that makes a difference. A good quality 250watt is plenty, no need to go wasting money on a 431 watt.

Joe22

sorry should have pointed out the 1 gig ddr is only if i get the dual and the 430 psu is only if i get the dual,
if i get the KT7a -RAID ill be putting in 1.5gig sdram pc 133 cas 2 instead.

i didnt say i was getting the KT7a -RAID i said i would if i had to, and all the memory all the stuff i stated is based on a dual motherboard,no need for some to be so ignorant,
BTW who the hell ever hear of paying 2500 sterling for a machine with a KT7a -RAID motherboard,


And in case any ask ill be useing allot of high end graphics program like lightwave 6.5 and 3d studio max 4, as for the sat thing what ever man im not an expert,


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sutty

now your taken the p!ss, you really dont need that much ram, 512 is more then enough to do Graphic rendering. you really are handing out your money doing that. Keep it to what you need not what you can get for your money. Try save some for back up or a rainy day.

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Gerry

So you already have a price for a dual tbird machine? Thats really impressive. I didnt know there were any prices available for dual tbird boards. Or maybe the machine includes that tyan server board...?

Joe22

well Gerry i looked at the Abit VP6 (Dual FC-PGA), now i know there going to be two totaly different motherboard,(intel and amd for a start)i can get one for £137.48 sterling, so then i asked arounds and was told for home/ office use id be looking at 300-500 when they first hit, so i just based it on that, as for the ram thing your right 512 would be enough hell 256 at the moment is enough but i dont know what way this stuff is going to go, ill be getting a good deal on the ddr at about 350 serling for the 1 gig not i paid that for my 256, (long time ago)it all depends,

Yurmasyurda

Why do you want dual tbirds, it's a waste of money unless your gonna be doin some graphic rendering with a proggy that supports it. At the moment FA supports dual cpus and also ddr is only around 10% faster than a standard kt7-a revision mobo. So to burst your bubble £2500 sterling is a huge waste of dosh for what your looking for!

Celt

Geforce 2 ultra is a gamers card, it is not a card for graphic design and similar stuff.

Joe22

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteLancer:
Geforce 2 ultra is a gamers card, it is not a card for graphic design and similar stuff.</font>

my friends tell me this will be suitable for graphics, as suitable as i can buy, so please if you know a better one post it,
ill consider it, im not claiming to know more then you on this subject, it might be the case i dont.

Kali

Whitelancer.. you'll be paying about twice the cost of an Ultra for a professional graphics card.

However most people in that line of work would be more inclined to go for a dual-head AIW Radeon, MX or even a G400... all more suitable to the tasks than an overpriced Ultra, fast onboard memory access means nothing for Max or any rendering programs, they deal with CPU foremost.

chernobyl

Well if your gonna do graphics on a windows machine(i dont know why)...then check out this
http://www.dabs.com/elsa/elsa.asp?s=280
"GLoria III Quadro 2 Pro 64MB DDR AGP "
But really if your serious about graphics then you should be using an SGI running irix or an Amiga running Unix.

Joe22

i was looking at a dual-head AIW Radeon
but i simple dont like ati
thanks for your reply kail and chernobyl,
white i said pro not ultra, you get about 1/6 extra speed out of it for nearly twice the price, but now that i know its a dual-head AIW i should be looking for, i saw a nvidia one,

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Stonemason

Ill flog ya a system hehehe

Midi tower 300wt
KT7A raid
T/bird 1Gig o/c 1.4 (axia)
Ram 512 pc 133
hdd 40gig (5400)
monitor "19" 0.26 D/P 3 year yada
creative Geforce 64ddr ultra
DVD 12x (Artec)
floppy 1.44
SB live player 5.1
keyBoard (infared)
Radio mouse
subwoof + Sat/speakers
HP Deskjet 610c printer
scanner (scanmagic) 4800dpi

Yours for £1800 +vat=£2250 Irish

Hobbes

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by darrenk:
Who the **** puts 1gig of ram in a machine for home use.
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*raises hand*

darrenk

what i should have said is...
who the **** puts 1gig of DDR into a KT7a -RAID??