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31-01-2002 8:38pm#1Join Date:Posts: 29920
I'm interested in seeing how our hosting offering stacks up against what people are currently getting in the market.
We've signed a deal with a major Dublin hosting company to supply hosting to all and sundry but I'm not talking about being one of 200 websites on the same box, I'm talking about owning the box outright and expecting support, maintenance etc from people who wont just say "do you want a reboot or not mate".
We're offering
Hardware (Dell 2450 Server, same as Boards.ie runs on... pretty serious gear: Dual 933, half gig of ram, 3x40 SCSI HD's in Raid 5)
24-hour SLA on hardware.
Licenses for MS software (Win 2K and SQL 2K if needed)
Or Linux/BSD & Apache
OS is preinstalled by us.
2mb dedicated line to each and every box, burstable to 10mb for occasional spikes (again, the same as boards.ie now runs off).
This bandwidth is UNMETERED. Let me repeat that. UNMETERED. If you want to run a live broadcast of TV off this server you can fill that 2mb line 24/7 and we could care less. (How else could we afford to run boards.ie! It pumps out gigs a day to the community!)
24/7 Intelligent Hands support.
9-5 OS/Webserver support.
Cost: starts at €550 per month. Depending on the level of backups and support you expect to need the price increases from there but thats the cost of the basic package
The reason I'm posting this is to firstly open a discussion on our offering versus what you may already be getting from other suppliers and to start to bring what should be a straight up comparison of service offering into the public.
I've seen some people and companies getting completely ripped off and taken for a ride simply because there wasnt a decent comparsion of hosting offers.
If anyone wants to reply to this then I think the headings should be:
Hardware.
Hardware SLA
Dedicated connectivity
Bandwidth charges
Database?
Licenses included?
Support level
(and most importantly) Cost
Theres no point in saying "call for a quote" (I hate that
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So, there you go...
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That 2mb line IS burstable to 10mb (jesus we'd need that for Boards it regularly bursts 2mb).
We dont do less then 2mb because to be honest, it doesnt pay for us to start choking peoples bandwidth and the price difference is very little.
You are experiencing the contention everytime you use Boards.ie
Its very slight as far as we can tell. We pump about 2mb/s out of boards for a fair bit of the day, spiking to between 6-10mb/s at 1pm and 6pm. We've certainly never experienced upstream contention of any sizeable amount and its something we watch very closely (ok, Regi watches it closely )
At least someone in Ireland is doing unlimited, decent sized bandwidth.
[EDIT] Regi just informed me that we get about 500-600 KiloBYTEs/S on that machine when downloading stuff from the US and Denmark. Thats along with the regular boards.ie traffic (he was doing that at 11pm). The ISP has 2 STM1 connections which explains why they could care less about bandwidth [/EDIT]
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Hi Adam,
Yes, all the gear is physically located here in Dublin, the facility is off the Naas Rd/M50.
Vat @ 20% will be applied, as standard, to EU citizens
We do basic colo, same basic terms, but you supply the hardware from just €99.95 per U of rackspace (1.75 vertical inches)
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BTW Vore,
Who is your upstream and what is their connectivity like?
We use Inflow, who have 4 providers totally 3.6Gbit at the moment.
Its DeVore
Our upstream are Nevada. Two STM1's last time I checked. Certainly no problems there. You dont mention what dedicated connectivty you give as standard..?
Nice deal, though I think yours is more suited to someone who already knows what they are doing with hosting and servers, whereas ours is more for the corporate client who wants a lot of tender care.
No harm in that, good luck to us all !
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Just curious, as even 2x STM-1 is 300Mbps, give or take, so how is it possible to give a dedicated 2mbps line to each customer?
That means 150 customers and both lines are saturated? Smells of over-selling to be honest?
300Mbps is still fairly modest, Inflow have 3,600Mbps, Worldport had almost 4000Mbps, not sure about the others - anyone got figures?
Horses for courses
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Hi MrE,
Sorry if I came across snappy, was not the intention. Apart from the compaqs, we use machines built by Encom, who are Intels only 'premier' partner in Ireland. They build machines using all Intel gear (cases, boards, nics, etc), and supply people like eircom.net with their servers
All the best!
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Never one to miss an opportunity.... Like it says on the tin... 99 Euro Hosting - www.99eurohosting.com.
For those interested a little in the background (in the spirit of openness), we use Cobalt RaQ 4r for Linux Hosting and IBM xSeries 250 for Windows Hosting. RaQ 4r's have 450MHz CPU, 0.5 GB RAM and 2x40GB HDD RAID 1, xSeries 250's have 700MHz PIII Xeon, 1GB ECC SDRAM, 7x18.2GB SCSI 10K RPM HDD (RAID 1 and RAID 5 Arrays splitting OS/Apps and Data for performance).
Network peering - Global Crossing to New York (multiple STM-1’s), INEX (Irish Internet Exchange) in Dublin, LINX (London Internet Exchange), AMS-IX (Amsterdam), DE-CIX (Frankfurt). Redundancy, fire protection, backup generator, etc, etc.
Every server is protected by top of the range Checkpoint 1 Firewall.
Rather uniquely we are actually located in the same building as our servers (National Software Centre in Cork). Brand new facility that does not rely completely on being an ISP so its not going to be just another Worldport - as some of you will know all too much about. I would like to think being physically located with your servers allows you to offer a little bit more support and peace of mind than being remote.
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Originally posted by 99eurohosting
Network peering - Global Crossing to New York (multiple STM-1’s), INEX (Irish Internet Exchange) in Dublin, LINX (London Internet Exchange), AMS-IX (Amsterdam), DE-CIX (Frankfurt). Redundancy, fire protection, backup generator, etc, etc.
Sounds like an eircom.net brochure to me
Fair play anyway, a bit of competition never hurt anyone... You never mentioned how much data transfer you get with that. Can you top Steves 50GB?0 -
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Well spotted Ciggy Man. Primary provider is eircom.net. We go direct to POP over fibre, whatever that means. Backup providers include Esat, more backup providers on the way shortly. More info here... http://www.nsc-campus.net/logistics.asp
The site is for virtual hosting (i.e. per single relatively low traffic site) not dedicated, so you cannot compare 500MB at 99Eur per annum (8.25 per month) with 50GB at whatever you pay with Steve per month. Its not called 99eurohosting for nothing. Anyway, you can up the 500MB to 2GB for an extra 15.00 euro per annum. (I've updated the site now - an omission on my part originally)
Like Steve, there is no bandwidth throttle set. You can burst up to what you need. Its just that if you burst up too much too often you have to pay extra.
The policy of the site is that you only pay for what you need. A lot of people won't use 500MB in a year for their site yet alone a month. You can start at 500MB per month and upgrade later for only 15.00 Euros.
We do dedicated server as well, though I have to admit Steve has a good deal on the dedicated server side of things.
Anyway, how many Irish hosting providers actually go to the expense of hosting from Ireland? I know of quite a few who run their hosting business on US or UK servers - not backed up nightly or even weekly, trusting to God. No firewall, no nothing, just bare servers without even any level of RAID. At least when we can physically get at your servers after a 2 minute walk you have that extra peace of mind.0 -
Hi 99euro
I'm with you all the way, a tiny proportion of Irish Hosts (about 3 afaict) host in this fair land. The main reason for it is, of course, the pricing of space and connectivity, or even availability of connectivity in most places.
It is amazing how people are happy to pay hundreds of dollars, euros, or pounds sterling to hosts who, as you say, use standard PC's for hosting, no firewalls, no back-ups, no redundancy and poor service - the hosting industry has a bit of maturation to go through yet, but it is slowly getting there!
Congrats on the site - looks excellent - all competition is good competition!!
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Agreed Stephen.
Prices are certainly on the way down here. Eircom and esat will lose a lot of customers to the likes of ourselves - at least thats the plan
One of the obstacles is that most people (with no IT knowledge) with web-sites assume that their site is being hosted by their web designers - when its being hosted for $17 a month or whatever by the likes of Interland. And right under the designer's nose are (cheaper) local suppliers who will bend over backwards to give excellent support, unlike anonymous companies like Interland or Verio, etc.
Good luck with your own venture by the way.... Competition is good for the consumer anyway 0 -
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Hi steve-hosting36
I couldn't help noticing the Careers section on hosting365's site.
I wonder if you mind if I contact you privately regarding a job.
In Brief: I am Net+ certified currently in the process of sitting my CCNA exams and then proceeding straight into CCNP mod V [advanced routing]. I have just completed a course in 2 MCPs windows 2000 & Advanced Server 2000 but have yet to sit exams. I worked for Smartforce on their E-learning delivery methods. I am Available to work form the 8rd of July.
I wouldn't mind hearing from anyone else who would like to hire me.
To the rest of you sorry for wandering away from the topic.
I heartily agree Eircom & Esat need a kick up the ass, the competition will be good for them and hopefully fruitfull for you as well.
Once agin my appologies to the mod and posters alike
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Originally posted by Demitri
Hi steve-hosting36
I couldn't help noticing the Careers section on hosting365's site.
I wonder if you mind if I contact you privately regarding a job.
In Brief: I am Net+ certified currently in the process of sitting my CCNA exams and then proceeding straight into CCNP mod V [advanced routing]. I have just completed a course in 2 MCPs windows 2000 & Advanced Server 2000 but have yet to sit exams. I worked for Smartforce on their E-learning delivery methods. I am Available to work form the 8rd of July.
I wouldn't mind hearing from anyone else who would like to hire me.
If he can do it so can I Steve can I have a job too? 0 -
Originally posted by 99eurohosting
Agreed Stephen.
Prices are certainly on the way down here. Eircom and esat will lose a lot of customers to the likes of ourselves - at least thats the plan
And there I was wondering what to do with this database of Eircom and Esat's virtual server and domain customers. Actually I think that most of the companies hosting with Irish ISPs have more money than brains. This is especially the case for .ie domains. However competition is more apparent on the CNO (.com/.net/.org) side of things.
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