Eircom pricing vs Euro community

Pac · 21-01-2002 5:40pm #1

I just did a quick sum up of ADSL pricing with the main telecom companies across Europe and, guess what? Ireland is 3 times more expensive

This is totally unacceptable... I wonder if the Telecom board will force them to reduce their pricing...

Here is what I found :

France Telecom:
Modem pack: € 150,92 TTC
Monthly fee: € 45,43

Belgium Belgacom:
Modem: € 109
Monthly: € 54,41

Germany QSC AG:
Modem:
Monthly: € 49,90

Holland KPN:
Modem+Installation: € 294,96
Monthly: € 44,93

Spain Telefonica:
Free modem with subscription
Monthly fee: € 42,04

Ireland Eircom:
Modem: € 174.46
Connection: € 152.00
Monthly fee: € 132.00

Comments?

Mountjoy Mugger · 21-01-2002 5:46pm

Originally posted by Pac
Comments?

For what we are about to receive, Eircom - we are truly grateful...

Urban Weigl · 21-01-2002 10:34pm

I just thought I would mention that AOL is now offering "AOL HIGH SPEED DSL Flat" for € 19.90 per month in Germany. The speed is, AFAIK, 768kbps down, 128kbps up. You have to sign a contract stating that you will take it for at least 12 months.

This is the page on their web site with more information:
http://portal.aol.de/software/dslleistung.jsp?promocode=249120&promocode2=249123

I am not aware of any setup fees.

JamworkS · 22-01-2002 11:33am

Spain Telefonica:
Free modem with subscription
Monthly fee: € 42,04

That's not actually true. Telefonica is not offering the modem for free.

Others are offering it, like Ya.COM, Wanadoo or Tiscalli but if you sign up for two years with them. What Telefonica is doing is offering the set-up fee for free, while others like Terra, charge for it (about €114.46).

And then, the €42.04 that you wrote is before tax, which adding a 16% comes to €48.77.

Anyway, just making this corrections. Don't get mad at me

JamworkS

bonkey · 22-01-2002 11:41am

Here in Switzerland, I am subscribed to a service as follows :

Data Rate : 256/64
USB Modem : 299 CHF (Approx 200 EUR)
Monthly Cost : 64 CHF (Approx 042 EUR)
Startup (one off cost) : 100 CHF (Approx 66 EUR)

The 512/128 rate is 96 CHF p.m. Rates are offered up to 2Mb lines over ADSL.

Up to the end of december, there was 150 CHF off the installation/modem costs, so the total setup was 250 CHF (170 EUR) instead of 400 CHF

Other modems & Routers were also offered for a higher cost.

Quality of service, BTW, is generally excellent. I get < 100 ping to the radox server for example, which is situated in Dublin.

jc

Clinical Waste · 23-01-2002 12:20am

Está esto el Eircom que ahora es poseído por esa compañía
española?

This in response to Jamworks

JamworkS · 23-01-2002 2:32pm

First of all, no Spanish or foreign language in the boards. I consider the same if somebody starts speaking Irish in here, which i wouldn't understand.

And second of all, was that spanish? If you thought what you wrote meant something in Spanish ... keep trying.

Post again in english ... and i'll see if i can understand you.

JamworkS

gandalf · 23-01-2002 2:36pm

Ohhhh Saucer of milk to Table 5

Gandalf.

pork99 · 23-01-2002 2:37pm

I was just talking to a Canadian colleague about broadband here - he cannot believe DSL is not widely available, everyone in Canada has it even people who are not that interested in the internet

Typical DSL pricing there is as follows

24.95 canadian $ a month for first 6 months, then 29.99 a month thereafter
+ 10 dollars a month modem rental (unless you buy your own)
+ free installation
+ 1 month free
+ 1 more month free if you refer a friend

Even there there's controversy
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/169070.html

They ought to try coming here if they want to experience "Anti-Competitive DSL Pricing" we are world leaders in this department

Mountjoy Mugger · 23-01-2002 2:40pm

What on earth is wrong with posting in our first national language?

Do you want Martin to get rid of his "O'Donnell Abú" nick?

Manic · 23-01-2002 10:20pm

Do you want Martin to get rid of his "O'Donnell Abú" nick?

LOL! NO WAY!

NeilF · 24-01-2002 1:29am

What I find interesting is how they actually try and win customers. What a joy to see a competitive marketplace in action.

In Canada, free install, free month's service, discounted service etc. Ireland, you constantly contact your favourite incumbent or OLO and beg and plead to be allowed use and pay for their service.

Clinical Waste · 24-01-2002 9:14am

"Is this the Eircom that now is had by that Spanish company?"

Okay so the translation sucked a little, I was only asking if this was the same company that was allowed to buy Eircom?

And ultimately will el Presidente of new Spanich-owned Eircom have any influence over our chances of fair priced ADSL?

(Sounds like someone needs a good rootin' Jammie)

Snowbat · 24-01-2002 9:53am

Pac, do you have up/down bandwidth figures for those offerings?

Also, are they flat rate unlimited or is there a per MB charge for exceeding a monthly allowance?

fixer · 24-01-2002 11:44pm

I still find it amazing that some people continue to compare apples to oranges. Things cost different amounts in different places, including materials, labor, planning, licensing, etc. Also, the market conditions are greatly different in various places. Can any of you say that you have looked at the economics of this? Look at things like the cost involved to wire a house in Doolin vs Berlin, then ask yourself if that even matters.

Clinical Waste · 25-01-2002 10:58am

Does ADSL actually need a wiring installation into homes?
Its based on current existing copper wiring isn't it?

So apart from the upgrading of exchanges, (which is always being done anyway supposedly aka justification for increased eircom charges on existing lines), what is actually the difference in cost?

Naive questions yes, but only by asking will we know.

Viva el Valencia!

sceptre · 25-01-2002 12:14pm

Originally posted by Clinical Waste
Está esto el Eircom que ahora es poseído por esa compañía
española?

This in response to Jamworks

It's "Valentia", not "Valencia"

pork99 · 25-01-2002 12:20pm

Talking to a Russian colleague today about the same subject. He sent me a follow up email titled "Ireland off-line ( Russia on-line

" - yes its getting embarrassing at this stage

Heres the guts of the email

"Found some info re ADLS services in Russia.

For example, in St. Petersburg there are two providers of ADSL services. The first launched the service in 1999, the second one - in 2000:
1. The WebPlus provider charges $29 a month for guaranteed 64K connection (connection charge is $199). All the information is available in English at: http://www.wplus.ru/en/s-adsl.html
A higher speed ADSL (128K) would cost $99 a month with the same connection fee.
2. The Russia on-Line charges $59 a month with the same one-time connection fee. (There is no info in English)

In Moscow the prices are much higher.

((

Have a look at this URL for more information: http://ned.ru/news.html?d=20010622 "

[end]

Apparentely more expensive in Moscow means about $60-100 per month.

But in Moscow because of the population density its common for a group of people in an apartment block to club together and get a leased line - so DSL is not as much in demand. Satellite internet access is also available - he was not sure of the price.

JamworkS · 25-01-2002 11:26pm

sceptre quote:
Originally posted by Clinical Waste
Está esto el Eircom que ahora es poseído por esa compañía
española?

This in response to Jamworks

It's "Valentia", not "Valencia"

Cheers Sceptre!! At least somebody puts some light into the thread cause i still couldn't understand what your man (Clinical Waste) was talking about, not after i got lost with his sh1ty translation into spanish ...

(no ofense)

SkepticOne · 26-01-2002 10:45am

Originally posted by fixer
I still find it amazing that some people continue to compare apples to oranges. Things cost different amounts in different places, including materials, labor, planning, licensing, etc. Also, the market conditions are greatly different in various places. Can any of you say that you have looked at the economics of this? Look at things like the cost involved to wire a house in Doolin vs Berlin, then ask yourself if that even matters.

A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but a definate pattern is emerging now. Ireland is becoming the exception in developed nations. Seems like it's apples here and oranges everywhere else. The onus is on those charging ourtragious prices here to justify them IMO.

Dustaz · 26-01-2002 1:01pm

Yeh, i concur. Last year i would have thought the prices for broadband vary pretty widely worldwide. However, it seems now that DSL pricing is roughly similar round europe and beyond. Correct me if im wrong but i dont think ive seen an entry level option above IEP60 in this thread?

Clinical Waste · 28-01-2002 2:13pm

Okay,

Viva el Valentia then!

(and maybe we will see cheaper broadband from them)

ffs

Canadian · 28-01-2002 3:15pm

Thats true, things do cost different amounts in different countries and Canada is cheaper than Ireland for almost everything.... you should compare Sushi restaurants.

Two things though:

1. ADSL in Canada is 3MB/sec while Eircom says 512kb/sec. Don't tell me light moves faster in Canada.

2. Canada HAS dsl AND Cable, Eircom doesn't have either at the moment. At any price.

3. Unrelated, but a phone line in Canada with UNLIMITED local calling costs about 15 Euro/month, and if you want UNLIMITED long distance (in a country 5x as big as europe) that'll cost you another 13 Euro a month.

Some things about ireland are pretty nice, but your phone company SUCKS LARGE.

Clinical Waste · 28-01-2002 5:25pm

Originally posted by Canadian
......ome things about ireland are pretty nice, but your phone company SUCKS LARGE.

Thats SUCKS LARGE, LONG AND HARD! (on themselves)

SkepticOne · 28-01-2002 5:29pm

The words Richard and donkey seem pertinant for some reason.