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What if he was really handed over ??

  • 15-10-2001 7:14am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭


    I mean really? Bushie tells the Taliban that the attacks will stop when they turn over Bin Laden, but honestly, what would he do if they decided to forget about their "principles" and hand him over? It's not an easy question to answer and I haven't seen it addressed in the media or in the numerous discussions online and offline.

    Where would he place him first of all? Certainly not in a US jail...some patriot will suicide bomb the place, a massive lynch mob would storm the location, or his own people would find some way to do the same, making a martyr out of their leader and preventing the US from having their idea of justice carried out.

    What sort of court system would try him? Or would they flat out have him executed? Their legal system is not equipped to handle a situation like this--trials are timely and costly and the American public would not stand for such a drawn-out process. Besides, who would act as the defense lawyer? Alan Dershowitz? Johnny Cochran? I doubt that they would turn the "evil one" as Bush so fondly calls him, over to a World court given the monstrosities that were inflicted on their country in particular.

    Would they, or could they, just immediately execute him? Firing squad, hanging? On US soil? That seems unlikely.

    I imagine that the truth of the matter is that they don't expect to ever have him handed and if, in fact, he were, that some unfortunate accident would occur along the way--that if US troops find him, that they are instead to execute him on sight rather than bring him in. A quiet death is a better death than a public fiasco and one that would rob him of the greater martyrdom in the eyes of his people. It would create less bureaucratic hassle and the American people would still be, for the most part, satisfied.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭JustHalf


    I still believe he should be tried in a non-"alliance" country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    Originally posted by JustHalf
    I still believe he should be tried in a non-"alliance" country.

    let me just say...

    HAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahaha (deep breath) HAHAHAHAHAHaHahahahahaha


    That's what the Taliban said to the US. Guess what happend.

    I doubt there would be any suicide bombing. I also doubt it will end if they get Usama. They will want Al Quida, also they would want a US presence in Afganistan (to help get the oil later on).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭JustHalf


    Should and will are two different words, Hobbes! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    If Bin Laden is killed/executed (either deliberately or 'accidentally') there will be no peace. He'll become a martyr, and as we all (should) know, martyrs can't be silenced.

    He would have to be tried in something along the lines of the Hague or something on "Crimes against Humanity" or something.

    And you have the scenario of him banged away in some jail and becoming some sort of icon for budding generations of baby-bin laden's.

    No easy answer :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Although ....

    I did hear a marvellous (if outrageous) suggestion for punishment for bin-laden and co.

    Snatch him quietly and quickly, perform a sex-change op on him and return him to Afghanistan to live under Taliban rule as a woman


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,601 ✭✭✭Kali


    Hmm only similar high profile case I can relate this to would be the Slobodan Milosevic trial.. but these days crimes against humanity/war crimes and terrorism are completly detached from one another despite the fact that in either case it boils down to mass murder of ones (deeply-hated) enemies.

    Also I cant for a second imagine osama bin laden in court, any type of court, and if he was you could at least expect the huge levels of ignorance exuded by the above serbian dictator to be shown.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Agreeing with Lemming, creating a martyr will only compound the situation for another x^2 years.

    Look at the way "Hungry" Bobby Sands has been resurrected on West Belfast gable ends, time and time again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 589 ✭✭✭Magwitch


    If he was handed over (and thats a big if) he would be kept in a secret location (most likly a military base) until trial, which would be speedy. After that he would be fried ASAP.

    But it would not serve American interests to have a prolonged trial (or any at all). He will be killed by a bullet before he ever sees the inside of a prison cell. Given the fact that his own death is inevitable, he would be smart to surrender himself publicly and use the assioated and prolonged publicity to his own ends. Why does he not? Martyerdom is for followers not leaders me-thinks (he has alot in common with any other politician).:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Clintons Cat


    i go for the smoking pair of boots theory.
    Let the Taliban show the world a pair of smoking boots,in a cave.
    If al jeezia show them first it will be called "Propaganda",if FOX shows them first it will be called "Exclusive".
    Forensic scientists could be called to varify they did indead belong to Bin Laden.
    Various US Media analysts could then be called to express how the way one foot was marginally smaller than the other was a sign of an unhappy childhood.
    Religious Zealots could claim Allah had whisked him away at the last minute to safety in the promised land.Or Alternatively died a heros death singlehandedly slaying the yankee rocket.
    Conspiracy theorists could point to the fact there was no body,so he probally never existed or Alternatively he did exist he probally still did and was with hitler in south america.
    That way everybody is happy except Bin Laden,who will be dead-or possibly not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    Originally posted by Magwitch
    If he was handed over (and thats a big if) he would be kept in a secret location (most likly a military base) until trial, which would be speedy. After that he would be fried ASAP.

    No your wrong. If he was handed over he would executed on the spot without proving if he did it or not (remember the US haven't actually given and real proof he did it).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭Terran


    If they DON'T hand him over...fizeau.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Bob the Unlucky Octopus


    Originally posted by Terran
    If they DON'T hand him over...<snipped insensitive pic>

    unclesam.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    Originally posted by Terran
    If they DON'T hand him over... (snip image)

    Erm I don't think Bin Laden has Nuclear ability yet? I know he was looking for nuclear weapons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭Terran


    America lauched the Nuke. You misinterperated it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    Originally posted by Terran
    America lauched the Nuke. You misinterperated it.

    So your basically saying that Americans are mindless muderers of millions? Isn't that very unAmerican of you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Bob the Unlucky Octopus


    For some, (though certainly not for me) it's a very American thing to do. Millions Hobbes? Maybe not...but certainly hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And we even knew that they were planning to surrender 2 weeks later- but dropped the bomb anyway, as an example to the Russians, and to curb their "expansionist" thinking in Europe. As it turns out, the GRU had a spy at Oppenheimer's office, so it was no coincidence how quickly after the war the Soviets developed a warhead. I think people who joke about nuclear weapons being used could do worse than visit the memorial at Nagasaki, or look at a few pictures of the mortally wounded in hospital.

    In any case, its bare suggestion has no place in any debate about Afghanistan.

    Occy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Clintons Cat


    i does beg the question,
    if they do manage to land one of those "precision" 500lb high altitude bunker busters on him,how would they ever know?


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