Smackdown! Just Bring It!

Prof.Frink

What are your thoughts on this?It looks like it'll be the biggest selling game of this year just like Smackdown! 2 did last year.And despite doubt at first this game will cement Playstation 2's future to come.What makes this game great is that it is actually like wrestling!Here are some features;

-Over 70 match types
-Over 45 wrestlers(Including ECW wrestlers)
-Walk around in Story Mode visit the commissioners office,Vince's office,the APA, pin the hardcore champ and win the title,interfere in any match that may be going on and start a feud with wrestlers or maybe an alliance
-Over 1000 Create-A-Wrestler parts using all new features
-DVD disc which means more features and short loading

Well that's enough of that I'm getting it!What about you?

BTW Release Date:23/11/01

StarScream

actually the alliance wrestlers arnt in it cause EA have the wcw licence and acclaim have the ecw licence

amp

I'm sure it's great and all that but it will be a sub-artic day in the very bowels of hell before I buy anything based on "professional" wrestling.

Shinji

Since you seem so convinced that this game will "cement the future of the PS2", it's worth noting that WWF: Raw is War on the Xbox has been getting better preview responses.

They both look dog-ugly though. Typical sub-standard licensed crap; take a look at DoA3 on Xbox and compare with Raw is War. Same goes for Soul Calibur 2 compared to Just Bring It. Bloody ridiculous that this pap is going to sell so much off that back of the franchise...

As for being the biggest game this Christmas, I personally doubt it. I don't think the PS2 demographic is set up for that yet; SmackDown! 2 only did well on the PSone once you got to the stage where every weenie kiddie in the country had one. PS2 isn't at that stage yet.

BKtje

Sure those games aint meant to look good!
They are the biggest laugh when your at home with a few mates and some beers. I guarantee that within an hour you'll be practicing the moves on each other Imo its a great laugh just to take the piss with.

Pugsley

The main reason the 1st Smackdown! sold so much is because it was the best looking wrestling game with WWF wrestlers.So every kiddie got it to play as their fave wrestler blah blah blah.
Compare that to the likes of soul Calaber 2,its look AMAZING,defo gonna get it,on the gamecube of X-box,doesnt matter to me.

Shinji how can you compare DOA3 and Soul Calibur2 with wrestling games.They are different games .Yes they may be fighting games but the difference is wrestling games have more characters more options and last up to 100 times longer then any orther fighting game.Play DOA3 it will look great it will last a week after you have cleared it with every character .1 on 1 beat em ups do look great but that is because there are a lack of options.I have been following both smackdown 3 and Raw is War very closley.You dont have to worry about ECW and WCW not being in the game as there is an option in were you can create a shirt with the letters.I have seen Rhyno is a hidden character so to is Mick Floey and Fred Durst ? ? I have heard that we could see some extra ECW characters as the game has been delayed due to some last minute changes .I have seen this game being played and it looks fantastic .Commentry is a little rough but the all round game looks great.The ref steps in and tries to stop outside interference so when he is doing this you grab a chair and wrapp it around your opponents head and pin him.You can even beat up the commentator if he is annoying you

Shinji

wrestling games have more characters more options and last up to 100 times longer then any orther fighting game

I'm sorry to have to do this, but:

R O F L .

OK Shinji
Since you find my comment funny i take it you disagree with it what is just leaves my dieing to find out what normal 1 on 1 beat em ups have to offer for longevity, for an example doa2 ?

For all you people wondering what the game is going to be like check this ........

101 Reasons To Buy Smackdown!: "Just Bring It"
1. Roaming Mode
2. Up to 9 count them 123456789 9 Wrestlers on the Screen
3. Full Entrances
4. Pyro in entrances
5. Over 1000 moves
6. Amazing Graphics
7. Commentary Play by Play By Tazz and Cole
8. Triple Team Moves
9. Cooler Cutscenes
10. Tajiri
11. 3 Stages Of Hell
12. 3D Referee
13. More Detailed Backstage areas
14. PIP Feature
15. NEW SD set
16. You can set up tables
17. Edit a Wrestler
18. Beat up the ref
19. Full 3d functional commentators
20. All the new wrestlers
21. Better models
22. Promising season mode
23. Almost any move through a table
24. Working fire Extingnisher
25. TLC-triple tornado tag
26. Beat up MC and Tazz when they are at the Announce Table
27. More than one costume
28. More move on the table
29. Being able to Write on CAW
30. Possibility of Hurting Fred Durst
31. More Realistic Gameplau
32. Raven
33. Lighting Effects on intro
34. Interactive Ladder
35. Interactive Apron
36. Smaller Loading Times
37. Copywrights on Music
38. Kanes Chokeslam Reanimated
39. Most Moves Reanimated
40. Crowd Reaction
41. Crowd Fighting
42. Heel/Face option for CAWs
43. Distracting the Ref
44. 6 Man HIAC
45. Last Man Standing
46. Loads of Choices and Challenges in Story
47. 2 Finishers
48. Street Fight
49. Different Ladder Sizes
50. 20+ CAW Slots
51. Multi Layer System in CAW
52. New Squatting attacks
53. Indivdual Pay Per View Arenas
54. Improved Arenas
55. Weapons in Every Match
56. DQ's are Possible
57. Lita, Looking fine
58. Edge-o-Matic
59. Christian's Neckbreaker
60. Jeff's Jawbreaker
61. Descisions made By Regal
62. Choosing what to do in your promo
63. More lines of text explaining whats Going on
64. Foley!
65. Individual Choice of Titantron Music and Entrance Move for CAW
66. 5 Men in a Stable
67. More Damage from Weapons
68. The GORE!
69. All Alliance members that Defected from WWF
70. Entrance Attire
71. 52+ Things to Unlock in all new Stroy Mode
72. Alias Names i.e. "Lethal Weapon" Steve Blackman
73. Wrestlers will get up slower after big hits.
74. Solid 60 Frames Per Second.
75. Individual Outros
76. You can fight with your Tag Team partner after a loss.
77. New Moves created from all sorts of Wrestling
78. WM X-7Arena
79. WWF New York
80. WWF Times Square
81. TLC-fatal four way tornado tag
82. TLC-triple threat tag
83. Hell In A Cell-5 way
84. Hell In A Cell-6 pack
85. 6 man tornado tag-ladder match
86. 6 man tornado tag-TLC
87. 6 man tornado tag-Hell In A Cell
88. 6 man tornado tag-Cage match
89. 3 Stages of Hell falls "Amazing"
90. Leaning Tables
91. Stand Up Chair
92. Do Moves onto Weapons for more damage
93. Spike Dudley & The Acid Drop
94. Amazing Detail in CAW
95. Non WWF People "easy" to create (probable standard parts)
96. Raven's Clothesline/Bulldog Combo
97. Real Time Royal Rumble
98. Grab Weapons Backstage
99. Hold More than One Title
100. Create a Belt / Superstar / Taunt / Stable / Manager
101. A Great Excuse to buy a Playstaion 2


If anybody has any questions about the games email me on dre99@indigo.ie

Dont be at yourself

hmmm, you forgot the muddy graphics (which, frankly, aren't much better than a PS1 game), lousy collision detection and horrible control system.

My little brother has three wrestling games. I played them all. I won't be doing so again.

I've read down through that list, and there's not one reason that would make me choose it over the likes of Street Fighter. Since when does things like "Pyro in entrances", "3D referee" etc make for good gameplay?

The game is being sold on the licence alone - if there was no licence, Smackdown game wouldn't shift a single copy.

Prof.Frink

Dre As In Dray is right about all the things he said about Smackdown! JBI!.You see your problem is that your not fans of wrestling so you don't appreciate the little touches such as the 3-D Ref.all the new features make it like real wrestling which I enjoy,so I appreciate the new touches.And Rob Van Dam and Tommy Dreamer are signed to WWF for the past few months so they could make their way to the game!For anyone that cares in here!And in my opinion the graphics are not sub-standard but actually great for a game that could of looked like absolute crap and sold millions.

<img src="http://ps2media.ign.com/media/previews/images/wwf/wwfz_9.jpg"&gt;


By looking at this picture you can't say that looks 32-bit NekkidBibleMan.And BTW these aren't even the best pics I've seen!

<img src="http://ps2media.ign.com/media/previews/images/jbi/jbi_41.jpg"&gt;

Thanks for backing me up Dre As In Dray

Dont be at yourself

Lets learn with NekkidBibleMan...

Here, we have a shot of Smackdown 2 for the PSOne - a 32bit console.


Notice the blocky model and low-quality textures - the tattoo for example.

Here, we have a shot of Smackdown 3 for the PS2 - a 128bit console.


Notice the blocky model and low-quality textures - the tattoos for example.

Here, we have a shot of Soul Calibur 2 for the GameCube - a 128bit console .


Notice the smooth characters. The smooth, crisp textures. The little effects like smoke and motion blurring. The lack of saggy manbreasts.

Well now you are comparing graphics .Graphics for me are not that important,they can make the game look great but when it comes down to it there is alot more to games then just graphics.Sure the only football game i enjoy playing is Sensible World Of Soccer no other football game can touch it when it comes to game play yet graphics are terrible.Games like Soul Calibur can show off its graphics as there is not much more to it.Every game you play are the same moves on the same levels.Take smackdown JBI you are getting a complete fighting package . lousy collision detection has been sorted out on this version as i have seen and horrible control system ? ? Have you ever played Acclaim or EAs wrestling games ? Now that is horrible .Smackdown never had horrible control.

amp

I believe NekkidBibleMan wins. Loving WWF and it's related merchandise is something to repress within oneself, not preach about.

I mean a game about fights that are staged? If it was a true simulation you'd be out in the fifth round (or whenever the script writer decides).

Remember kids, say no to saggy manbreasts.

Dont be at yourself

Graphics for me are not that important

Yet they make it to #6 in your list of why you should buy SmackDown 3....

Games like Soul Calibur can show off its graphics as there is not much more to it

You haven't played Soul Calibur. That much is obvious. If you had played it, you wouldn't be typing such utter rubbish. Soul Calibur has depth - I was playing it for months on end.

Smackdown never had horrible control.

I actually went and played it just over an hour ago. The controls are for simpletons, it promotes button bashing. There are no taxing moves or combos to learn off. Not to mention the clumsiness of the wrestler's movement on screen....

Please, go and play Street Fighter or Tekken.... even play Mortal Kombat. Your love of wrestling is just clouding your judgement.

Shinji

Your love of wrestling is just clouding your judgement.

No, his love of wrestling is indicating a much deeper lack of any judgement whatsoever in the first place...

I despair, I really do. This stuff is targetted at six to twelve year olds for christs sake, and even the publisher probably knows that it's just a licence to print money and not a quality series of games...

*shrug* If you want to be ripped off buying this sh1t, feel free, and if you can delude yourself into thinking it's a great game, all the better. More games bought is more money in my pocket at the end of the day, so I guess it's churlish to wish that folk were buying GOOD games...

Well i dont even have to argue for for smackdown as i know it can argue for itsself on sales.It is true what shinji said about christmas No1.It will be though for it to get there due to lack of PS2's,but i still feel it might nick it.The game itself might increase the sales of PS2 this christmas .

Shinji

The sales argument doesn't hold water. How many times recently have you seen Westlife or Britney Spears outselling everything else in the music charts, eh?

Well what a great business man you would make .Sales dont hold water ?? Just because somthing does'nt suit your taste doesnt mean its crap .Majority rules and the world does revolove around shinji .Its weird i always took you for a britney fan

BKtje

Sure we'll see ina couple of months which of you is right

Pugsley

Dre = wrestling fanatic type guy
Nekkid = Hardcore gamer type person
Shinji = Most experience gamer here (the old guy )

And back to Smackdown! yes the controls DO suck,it DOES promote button bashing and the lastability of these games ARENT great.....I have played all of em,got bored of all of em within the week.Compaired to soulcaliber,it lasted me months,2player wise its the best fighting game there is.And the Soul caliber 2 looks amazing.
the edit a charecter gets boring after yer 1000000th wrestler,it only adds an extra week at most to the game.And yes,i do strongly advise getting Soul caliber..or even soulblade!!! cos there both 1st class fightring games and will show you how good a fighting game can be..........
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amp

Originally posted by Dre as in Dray
Well what a great business man you would make .Sales dont hold water ?? Just because somthing does'nt suit your taste doesnt mean its crap .Majority rules and the world does revolove around shinji .Its weird i always took you for a britney fan

Yes but it works in reverse, your argument that it sells well doesn't mean it's any good, it just means lots of kids go out and buy it. And parents who don't know anything about gaming see the words WWF and Playstation and buy it as a present.

In other words: don't believe the hype.

P.s. bitterly disapointed not to make it into Pugsleys list

Dont be at yourself

I love you amp!

And I know better than to argue with Shinj when it comes to games

amp

Thank you Nbm, the Games moderators appreciate your words of kindness. Even more so we appreciate umarked currency.....

And yes, I faced up against the Shinj once and lost - Rob knows all.

richindub2

I just feel the need to give a link to this. Its another example of frink's great topic making. Rob liked it (and had forgotten it) when i gave him the link in irc the other night, so im sure some of ye mungs will too

po0k

The control 'system' (oh i feel soo dirty) is pants.
you slooooooooowly turn to teh riiiight and then get clumped by the opponent.
Can these big lumps of cologen-injected-peks not strafe? IS that such a new concept? Oooh-ho-ho i forgot! Ikkle Kiddi-widdies wouldn't want anything tht might actually make the 'game'(again i despise myself for that) any more complex or challenging
This really is a kiddies game. Or for bashing after a (good) few pints on a early sunday morning.
[Sarcasm]Oh-ho what jovial lark this amusement is! Look at it's finely crafted textures! Be wowed by it's amazing array of (reptative)moves, each character's one (slightly) different from the last![/Sarcasm]
This is typical PSX derivitive pish. i wouldn't even rest my Java mug on it for fear my chipboard desk would be ashamed.

OK scores givin to Smackdown (origional PS1 Game)
Playstation Plus 9/10
Planet Playstation 94%
Playstation Max 93%
C&VG 5/5
PSW 9/10
Total Playstation 93%
Extreme Playstation 93%
Play 92%
GamesMaster 92%

Smackdown 2
The Irish player :P 9.5
Gamingplanet 4/5
Gamecritics 8.5


I can go on but i just dont have the time at the moment.Im pritty sure the people who rate these games are not kids .The smackdown release this year will be though as there wont be much kids able to buy it due to the price of a PS2 and the £50 price tag on the game itself .When the last smackdowns came out 1 in 3 people had a PSX in Ireland .At the moment for the Ps2 its 1 in every 15 people .Will smackdown 3 make it #1 ?
Tune in next month and see

Dont be at yourself

Interesting how all the magazines are aimed at 13 year olds, isn't it?

Games mags in general (but perhaps more so the format specific ones) aren't honest. They have to please their advertisers, they have to give concessions to get an "exclusive" review and they have to tell their readers what they wan to hear.



If its an exclusive review, take it with a pinch of salt.
If there's a full page ad for the publisher right beside the review, take it with a pinch of salt.
If its the most hyped game of the year, take it with a pinnch of salt.
If the magazine you're reading has big yellow writing on the cover with exclamation marks randomly placed throughout, take it with a pinch of salt.
If you're reading a format-specific magazine and its a format exclusive game, take it with a pinch of salt.

Well that is the best sence i have ever heard.

If a game is a top selling game ,and if it getting the highest ratings games can get and has web pages dedicated to it and has been hyped up, and all this happening not just on the origional but also on the second release of it you are saying is sh!te ? No offence but are you one of these people that thinks the rest of the world is wrong and you are right ? You say my love of wrestling is clouding my judgment ,is it not your hatred for wrestling is clouding yours .

Jabba_the_SLUT

Originally posted by Shinji


I despair, I really do. This stuff is targetted at six to twelve year olds for christs sake,

so was pokemon shinji



btw dont go ape shít at me. its just a lil joke is all

Shinji

so was pokemon shinji

Yep - difference being that there you actually had a very well designed game built on principles of gameplay from the ground up, by someone who actually knows how to make games (Miyamoto and the Game Arts crew).

OK scores givin to Smackdown (origional PS1 Game)
Playstation Plus 9/10
Planet Playstation 94%
Playstation Max 93%
C&VG 5/5
PSW 9/10
Total Playstation 93%
Extreme Playstation 93%
Play 92%
GamesMaster 92%

Smackdown 2
The Irish player :P 9.5
Gamingplanet 4/5
Gamecritics 8.5

I notice that there's not a single magazine in there that I would give any credence to. They're all entirely ads-driven publications aimed at young audiences, and their review scores will reflect THQs marketing budget rather than the quality of the product. "Play" used to be a decent mag, but I think they had a major staff changeover; the rest of that lot are simply outlets for PR hype.

If you want honesty, you look at quality publications not driven by publisher money, such as Eurogamer.net or (much as I hate to say it) EDGE.

I note that you're still pushing this ludicrous "it's popular so it must be good" argument. More people buy the Sun every day than any other newspaper. Westlife and Britney top the charts every time they fart. Your argument holds no water whatsoever; and blathering about business doesn't either, since what we're discussing here is the quality of the game, not the amount of money it pours into THQs coffers.

orangerooster

Originally posted by Dre as in Dray
OK scores givin to Smackdown (origional PS1 Game)
Playstation Plus 9/10
Planet Playstation 94%
Playstation Max 93%
C&VG 5/5
PSW 9/10
Total Playstation 93%
Extreme Playstation 93%
Play 92%
GamesMaster 92%

Smackdown 2
The Irish player :P 9.5
Gamingplanet 4/5
Gamecritics 8.5

HA!YOu are a fool all of them especially playstation max and gamesmaster are aimed at people like wrestling ans with "funny" captions and "hilarious" speechbubble and as many shiit jokes as can be fit into an imature piece of ****e.Why dont you jst give in to the fact the arguement agaisbt you is to strong bah!!!.P.S wrestling sucks major ahahahahahahahahahahaha

First of all i dont see this as an argument i am just stating points about the game as i said before the game can argue for itself .When it comes to ratings of the game they are just the raitings that i found if i looked harder i just cant be bothered .
But its funny Man Utd are popular (wonder why ,what did they ever win) And still everybody thinks their sh!t

amp

So Dre, what do you want? You want us to say that Smackdown is a great game? That it's worthy of merit? That it does not suck ass? Somehow I don't think that's going to happen.

People don't think Man Utd are ****, they just don't like Man Utd. Man Utd beat Sunderland with what was essentially a reserve team 3 - 1 this weekend. No football fan could argue that Man U are a great team that win a lot but that doesn't mean that they are well liked. Besides, most Man Utd fans are wánkers (myself included).

Note: if this thread turns into a discussion about Man Utd I will lock this thread quicker than you can say David Beckham.

So your saying that Smackdown is popular but people think it's crap. I think you're getting that the wrong way around. Smackdown is crap, but it's relatively popular.

What you seem to not understand Dre is the concept of marketing.

Popularity does not necessarily equal quality. There are a lot of brilliant games out there that flopped because of bad marketing. And there are far, far to many games out that a crap but did well cos of good marketing.

Smackdown is a brand name that a lot of kids already know.

Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't like Smackdown, if it makes you and the few others here happy then whatever blows up your skirt but there's really no need to go on about it.

kaimera

most Man Utd fans are wánkers

I'm really really sorry amp but i just HAVE to agree with you.
Aite..no more about utd.

Yes..Smackdown is sh1t. Yes...you CAN have a good laugh with it but more than not it decends into a fuking row over somebody cheating ----"No way..he cant do that. How the fuk did that happen?? ffs...cheating cun.t"
There is absolutly no skill involved in playing the game. it boils down to who gets the first punch in while button bashing

Im not trying to say ( everybody like this game ! ) This topic has gone off trac.I know that this is not everybodys cup of Tea.Just as Fifa does not sell too much in the states as there are not many "soccer" fans there.What i am jumping in at is the reaction to shinji (who is not a fan of these games) saying "Typical sub-standard licensed crap" Nice quote buy the guy who glorified the game boy advance by saying "it is the quickest selling console ever"Hey Pokemon is not a game i like but i dont go around sprouting off how its a rubbish game as i know there are many people out there who like it .

Despite your judgment on the game you may think its crap you may think its great but look at the facts.

1 .Yukes (co makers of the game) origionaly used the game engine on a wrestling game in Japan,It was a number 1 selling game .

2. THQ were makers of WCW wrestling games and lost the licence to EA .

3.After very limited success Acclaim lost their WWF licence to THQ who later with the release of Smackdown outsold Acclaim by 10 smackdowns for every 1 Raw is War.

3.Smackdown became the fastest selling game of the year piping tomb raider at the post.

4.Smackdown became the most rented out game of the year with blockbuster video .

5.Smackdown 2 is released being the fastest selling game of the year.Shops sell out unable to keepup with the demand.Its only major competition at the time is another wrestling game also made by THQ called No Mercy (which also sells out taking 2 months to restock Ireland)

6.This game also gets the highest rating in computer mags.

7.Smackdown 2 is piped at the post by WWF No mercy on the N64 as the most rented game .

8.Smackdown 3 dominated E3 with its very young version of the game.The game had no AI but was attracting the biggest crouds .

9.www.gamespot.com Even shows smackdown 3 as the most visited section of the website.

10.Other games have been marketed alot more then this game but have not nearly reached the peaks this game has .

Jimi-Spandex

3.Smackdown became the fastest selling game of the year piping tomb raider at the post.

our point exactly

i feel not like an arguament

Soul Calibur is the finest 3d beat em up of all time

Smackdown is fairly pants

Shinji

Wow, that's pretty good - ten points that prove that the gaming public will genuinely eat shít if you put it on a licensed plate.

Hell, they'll even pay £35 for it.


As to the Game Boy Advance - I think you'll find that I was mostly expressing my delight at a genuinely fantastic bit of hardware selling so well; I've been well chuffed to see so many people buy a lot of the top software on it as well.

Dont be at yourself

Originally posted by Dre as in Dray
What i am jumping in at is the reaction to shinji (who is not a fan of these games) saying "Typical sub-standard licensed crap"

In fairness, Shinji is very knowledgable when it comes to games. I'd take his opinion above any magazine, website or 12 year old weenie.

Nice quote buy the guy who glorified the game boy advance by saying "it is the quickest selling console ever"

It was. Quite an achievement considering it is the least powerful console on the market, don't you think? And it didn't even have any wrestling games on it, either.

Hey Pokemon is not a game i like

Pokemon isn't on the Gameboy Advance...

1 .Yukes (co makers of the game) origionaly used the game engine on a wrestling game in Japan,It was a number 1 selling game .

What does this prove? It proves that the number of wrestling games weenie fan boys in Japan is proportional to the number of wrestling games weenie fan boys everywhere else. I truly am enlightened. No, really.

2. THQ were makers of WCW wrestling games and lost the licence to EA .

wow.

3.After very limited success Acclaim lost their WWF licence to THQ

Acclaim had huge success with its Attitude and Warzone games, again because the license it was based on. Don't be mislead into thinking the quality of the games had anything to do with the licence switch - it was money, pure and simple.

Smackdown outsold Acclaim by 10 smackdowns for every 1 Raw is War.

I presume this has something to do with the fact that Raw is War hasn't been released yet (nor has the console it will be on, for that matter).

3.Smackdown became the fastest selling game of the year piping tomb raider at the post.

Hugely hyped game being sold off the back of a well known name narrowly beats another hugely hyped game beeing sold off the back of a well known name. Thanks for that.

5.Smackdown 2 is released being the fastest selling game of the year.Shops sell out unable to keepup with the demand.Its only major competition at the time is another wrestling game also made by THQ called No Mercy (which also sells out taking 2 months to restock Ireland)

You neglect to mention how buggy No Mercy was - what with the cartridge regularly wiping its save games et al. I'm not surprised it was rented, considering the £65 price tag either

6.This game also gets the highest rating in computer mags.

See various other posts in this thread.

7.Smackdown 2 is piped at the post by WWF No mercy on the N64 as the most rented game .

Also: Smackdown 2 is pipped at the post by WWF No Mercy on the N64 as the most retarded game ever made.

8.Smackdown 3 dominated E3 with its very young version of the game.The game had no AI but was attracting the biggest crouds .

Balls. Games like Luigi's Mansion, Rogue Leader and Project Gotham Racer attracted the attention at E3.

9.www.gamespot.com Even shows smackdown 3 as the most visited section of the website.

Please allow me to pick my jaw up from the floor.

10.Other games have been marketed alot more then this game but have not nearly reached the peaks this game has .

Not very many have, in fairness. In terms of ad campaigns - there's a promo for it during every wrestling event. Considering the audience of these things, that's some good advertising. Not to mention the hype magazines have been giving it. Also, 'peaks'? Surely you mean depths?


Back to the Acclaim - THQ thing:

THQ released wrestling games based on the WCW licence using the exact same engine as WWF Wrestlemania 2000 and WWF No Mercy. The WCW games don't preform that well - yet the WWF games (pretty much identical apart from the licence) soar to the top of the charts

Similarly, Acclaim sold insanely popular WWF games based on the Attitude engine - they lose the WWF license for the ECW one and what happens? The ECW games based on the same engine bomb.

doesn't that tell you *something*?

amp

Ok so this thread is basically Dre shouting "WAAA LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE SMACKDOWN AND I HAVE ALL THESE THINGS TO PROVE IT" and everybody else repeatedly trying to make him understand about marketing.

And so we have to come to a conclusion. Either Dre is a stupid whitetrash dumbass or he's trolling. Possibly even both. Prove me wrong Dre or it's gonna be Thread Lockdown 2.

Shinji

8.Smackdown 3 dominated E3 with its very young version of the game.The game had no AI but was attracting the biggest crouds .

Oh wow, I'd missed this gem.

This is simply NOT TRUE. SmackDown 3 was shown on about four TV sized screens at E3, in a special "wrestling" bit of the THQ stand - which wasn't even in one of the main halls, but was in a separate little room of its own. The crowds trying to see SmackDown 3 and Raw is War were significantly smaller than those jostling for a bash at Red Faction on the same stand... And this wasn't even a huge stand by anyone's standards.

The biggest crowds at E3 were at the Nintendo stand, with honourable mention going to the Tecmo stand with the DoA3 dancing girls, the Working Designs stand, the Sega video area and the Square cinema queue. THQ's stand and SmackDown 3 don't even get a look in.

Shinji

In fairness, Shinji is very knowledgable when it comes to games. I'd take his opinion above any magazine, website or 12 year old weenie.

*blush*

I know you only want me for my body though. And my GBA games.

This is just so much fun

1st of all i am also quite knowlageable about computer games but i dont like to boast about it .

2nd of all there are games out there that i absolutly hate and can stand playing them such as GT and GT2 as i hate car games,but i dont go around saying its sh!te as i know there are alot of people out there that like it .BTW this game got more media hype then any WWF game.

3rd i did make a mistake playstation never released Raw is War.Was getting mixed up with Attitude (Raw is War was going to be the name of this game).Although the Megadrive released WWF Raw.

4th I do respect all your oppinions if you dont like the game ,but do you all not respect the fact that there are loads of people who do like the game.

5th Dont get me started on Man U as i have tones to say on those muppets

6th Please close this thread before i start getting abusive !

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Yeah, fun being defined as banging ones head against a brick wall,
and hey be as abusive as you like, you know how much we like editing peoples posts!

Thread closed with immense pleasure..