Hobbes

Celt

Hobbes, do americans truly get as one sided a view of history/news as is represented by them posting on online forums?
Almost every single post by them seems to be one sided, patriotic, genocidial and just generally mis-informed.

Manach

A bit harsh on Pepperkin & Bob the Unlucky Octopus aren't you Usually I find their opinions informed, if not what I'd agree with myself.

Hobbes

The majority are one sided as is every other country when it relates to thier own history. Ireland included.

I have yet to see a country teach history about it's faults as much as it's triumphs.

Oh and there are quite a few people who are open minded about thier culture and don't just blindly quote thier own proproganda (all countries).

Celt

Originally posted by Manach
A bit harsh on Pepperkin & Bob the Unlucky Octopus aren't you Usually I find their opinions informed, if not what I'd agree with myself.

I wasnt refferring to bob or pepperkin, i find i can understand and respect there opinions even if i dont agree with them.
I'm refferring to people like negilim(sp?) and the other guy who loves israel.
There infesting everywhere atm.

JustHalf

As many of them have now been removed I don't think he can do that!

Celt

that would be me -- smedley.

Personally, I think you confuse disagreement with ignorance.

No you seem woefully mis-informed on events, and your like an expert compared to a lot of the americans who have emerged recently.

I do respect differing opinions depending on the content. For example, I have several polite disagreements w/Hobbes who can post in a balanced fashion.

You dont repect them, you flame people who differ from your opinion.

However, I don't feel particularly obliged to respect opinions like American are less than human

havent seen one of those.

or that our soldiers' lives are inconsequential.

Neither one of these,actually, didnt you say its better for a thousand afghans to die than one american soldier?

I also dont feel obliged to respect people who lie through their teeth.

Actually, in your view it may seem like lying, but in our view it doesnt.

I also tend to make fun of people who confuse a nationality with an ethnicity.

In some places they are the same.
Israel refers to the Jews as arabs are 2nd class citizens and regard themselves as member of the state of Palestine,
And like afghanistan is all evil taliban murderers(or so we are led to believe by americans)

By the way, if you believe any of my posts to be "ignorant", please point out one or two and explain exactly why I am in error.

Thanx

Sorry, i wont point out any in particular, i'll just say, read over every one of your posts.

Hobbes

For example, I have several polite disagreements w/Hobbes who can post in a balanced fashion.

No you don't.

Nearly every post has been insulting to the person your trying to debate with, myself included. I just haven't bothered to acknowledge it until now.

It's been polite in only that I haven't said the exact same thing back to you.

pepperkin

"A bit harsh on Pepperkin & Bob the Unlucky Octopus aren't you Usually I find their opinions informed, if not what I'd agree with myself."


Wow, even though I'm a self-admitted airhead?

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by pepperkin
"A bit harsh on Pepperkin & Bob the Unlucky Octopus aren't you Usually I find their opinions informed, if not what I'd agree with myself."


Wow, even though I'm a self-admitted airhead?

yeah, but you are our favourite airhead, so we love you anyway

bonkey

Originally posted by Smedley

I also dont feel obliged to respect people who lie through their teeth.

By this, you are implying that these people know the true facts, and are deliberately posting misleading information in order to fool others.

Did it ever occur to you that they may simply be mis-informed, underinformed, differently informed, or perhaps just interpret the facts differently to you?

You have levelled accusations of "lying" at several people, and in every case so far, I have not seen any evidence that they were deliberately misleading anyone, nor have you proven or indicated in any way that they were knowingly telling untruths - you have simply indicated that they are misrepresenting facts, or that you disagree with their interpretations.

Therefore, while you say :

Personally, I think you confuse disagreement with ignorance

I would say that it is you who are mistaken.

You indicate your disagreement with others in an abusive manner - which is generally referred to as "ignorant".

If people are misinformed, you should educate, not deride and insult. If people are of a differing opinion, you should respect their right to that opinion, while endeavoring to change it if you so desire. At the end of the day, however, should they still fail to see your point, you should agree to disagree, and both of you should leave the discussion aside.

All of this should be done in a civilised manner as befitting adults.

You, I regret to say, have fallen short of this on some occasions (not all, mind). I would suggest that you consider this criticism, reflect on it, and decide whether or not it is justified.

BTW - I have already clarified my comments on the "inconsequentality" of American soldiers' lives in the Gulf War, and am awaiting a response. I would much rather you take it up in the thread I started for exactly this purpose (or mail me offline) rather than dropping continued references to what I feel was a misunderstanding into other non-related threads such as this on.

In case you havent seen it, its entitled "the reality of war".

jc

Blade

You and your ilk, on the other hand have only (1) LIED THROUGH YOUR TEETH in an empty-headed attempt to cast dispersions on U.S. actions; (2) made totally unsupported or absurd assertions that have no basis of support, or (3) spewed crap such as the lives of American soldiers as "incidental".

Well bonkey, smedley actually acused me of the above when he was replying to my last attack on him, quite obviously he hasn't got a clue whos said what. He seems to be mixing up mine and your comments and God knows who elses! Smedley u sap I never said anything about ' lives of American soldiers as "incidental" ' And I'm not the one whos been lying, your the one on this board whos been proved wrong dozens of times so if anything your the LIAR.... Americans shedding blood for Muslims!!! ROFL!!!

TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by Smedley


So typical -- you accuse, but can't back up! Big, broad claims without substance to support them. It is so easy to dismiss a person as ignorant/wrong...it is another to engage that person in a debate on the issues using specific facts and rules of logic.