Batman Begins "Keysi Fighting Method"

pma-ire

Hey lads!

I was watching Batman Begins last weekend and was reminded how well the martial arts moves of the Bat were in this movie!

The DVD has a special feature disk which has a section showing the martial arts style used by Batman and Ra's Al Ghul (the real one!! ).

It's called Keysi fighting Method

http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=3004

Has anyone seen it? Or know of a website?? The demos on the DVD from the two founders was really nice! I think there was even a Capoeira move in there!! It also seems that students take part in the MMA events in the UK and get on pretty well?

Clive

It's always in Martial Arts Illustrated. As far as I remember, Phil Norman, the guy who won Gladiators back in the day trains in it.

In other news, I like Pacman :v:

pma-ire

Clive wrote:

It's always in Martial Arts Illustrated. As far as I remember, Phil Norman, the guy who won Gladiators back in the day trains in it.

In other news, I like Pacman :v:

What Martial Art does he do??

memphis

I personally didn't like the movie. You kinda miss out on all the moves due to the darkness of the movie, all you see is some shift motions, hear lots of noise, and the bad dude ends up on his butt.

Being a big batman fan, I just wasn't impressed.

Damo W

pma-ire wrote:

Hey lads!

I was watching Batman Begins last weekend and was reminded how well the martial arts moves of the Bat were in this movie!

The DVD has a special feature disk which has a section showing the martial arts style used by Batman and Ra's Al Ghul (the real one!! ).

It's called Keysi fighting Method

http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=3004

Has anyone seen it? Or know of a website?? The demos on the DVD from the two founders was really nice! I think there was even a Capoeira move in there!! It also seems that students take part in the MMA events in the UK and get on pretty well?

Paul,

there is a thread on 'Keysi' on e-budo at the moment.

Also I believe its JKD based (??!?!)

Damien

PS good to see you on the CD list!

john kavanagh

this kinda reminds me of a scene in 'Father Ted' where ted is explaining the difference between fiction and reality to Doogle:D

pma-ire

Damo W wrote:

PS good to see you on the CD list!

I eventually got around to it

pma-ire

john kavanagh wrote:

this kinda reminds me of a scene in 'Father Ted' where ted is explaining the difference between fiction and reality to Doogle:D

Can you kinda explain what you mean there Ted? I mean John?

Roper

I think he means the old chestnut of our extensive Bruce Lee debate Paul:D


John, can you give me a buzz 085 8320174?

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

I think he means the old chestnut of our extensive Bruce Lee debate Paul:D


John, can you give me a buzz 085 8320174?

I don't really see how this relates man?

This art existed before the moive was made and they have very active fighters on the UK circuit. A quick google of the name will give you some results involving students of the style.

Colm_OReilly

Caveat. Have not seen documentary myself!

The Shane was telling me about this documentary on the Batman Begins DVD and in it one hears the phrase "these guys watched a lot of videos" and made this Keysi fighting method to make movies look cool and somewhat 'realistic'.

One interpretation of the original post could be "Hey how do I learn to fight like The Batman?"

pma-ire

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Caveat. Have not seen documentary myself!

The Shane was telling me about this documentary on the Batman Begins DVD and in it one hears the phrase "these guys watched a lot of videos" and made this Keysi fighting method to make movies look cool and somewhat 'realistic'.

One interpretation of the original post could be "Hey how do I learn to fight like The Batman?"

Chirst! What are you talking about??

I never said or inferred that I wanted to learn how to fight like the BATMAN!?

Though I am a big Batman fan! I saw the DVD and they did make changes to the style for the moive but that was done by the fight arranger with help from the guys that started the fighting style.

Reality is that they got massive exposure from the moive. If anyone has sour grapes over the fact then thats there problem. This is a real style of fighting and if as I said anyone bothered to do a search in it they wouid see the practicioners fight records. I'm not gonna get involved in devending this art I just thought it was a well thought out style covering all ranges with a nice flow to it!

(and I'm talking about the documentary on the DVD not the acutal moive fights!! which were good for a hollywood moive.)

john kavanagh

lol, was just a joke dude!!

i know that the Keysi Academy hosted the first UK visit of Matt Thornton but besides that i've never seen them train..........however if you were going to base your training on 'doing well in MMA events' then i'd play the stats game and go with thai/boxing-wrestling-bjj...almost every high level fighter trains this way:D

Cabelo

While we're on the subject...

Hey how do I learn to fight like The Batman?

Srsly

pma-ire

john kavanagh wrote:

lol, was just a joke dude!!

i know that the Keysi Academy hosted the first UK visit of Matt Thornton but besides that i've never seen them train..........however if you were going to base your training on 'doing well in MMA events' then i'd play the stats game and go with thai/boxing-wrestling-bjj...almost every high level fighter trains this way:D

No sweat John!

As you well know this form of conversation can be mis-understood

I only mentioned the MMA comps to see if you lads had heard of it. Fights are won by people not styles!!

john kavanagh

"I only mentioned the MMA comps to see if you lads had heard of it."

to be honest i know most of the guys doing well in the major uk shows and i dont know of any 'keysi' students fighting with success, maybe you do?

"Fights are won by people not styles!! "

well i'd say fights are won by training methods, not styles. of course the individuals personal attributes are very important (toughness, speed, power etc etc) but all things being equal, attribute wise, then it'll come down to who has the most effective training methods

pma-ire

john kavanagh wrote:

"I only mentioned the MMA comps to see if you lads had heard of it."

to be honest i know most of the guys doing well in the major uk shows and i dont know of any 'keysi' students fighting with success, maybe you do?

I don't! I was just looking to start a netural thread??

john kavanagh wrote:

"Fights are won by people not styles!! "

well i'd say fights are won by training methods, not styles. of course the individuals personal attributes are very important (toughness, speed, power etc etc) but all things being equal, attribute wise, then it'll come down to who has the most effective training methods

Agreed

john kavanagh

"I don't! I was just looking to start a netural thread??"

ok, just when you wrote this

" It also seems that students take part in the MMA events in the UK and get on pretty well?"

i assumed you did

pma-ire

john kavanagh wrote:

ok, just when you wrote this

" It also seems that students take part in the MMA events in the UK and get on pretty well?"

i assumed you did

I only said that because I thought the fact that the style was one practiced in the real world was being disputed!

It's all cool anyway

johnkc

i know that the Keysi Academy hosted the first UK visit of Matt Thornton but besides that i've never seen them train..........however if you were going to base your training on 'doing well in MMA events' then i'd play the stats game and go with thai/boxing-wrestling-bjj...almost every high level fighter trains this way

As far as I know, the Founder and Co-Founder of Keysi have trained all of those styles, they were instrutors in JKD under Dan Inosanto, trained for years directly with the Muchado and Gracies, are experienced in boxing and Muay Thai, the founder was an instructor in Muay Thai, they both have years of competitive experience all over the world in various styles, as well as real life experience on the 'street'. They are also members of the Martial Arts hall of fame........etc, etc, etc. But the point is MMA is 'NOT' 'reality', its pretty much as close as you get, but it has rules and Keysi was developed for the 'street', they have a few guys enterring MMA events, but thats not its main purpose.

The Shane

1. I liked Batman Begins, anyone that didn't is wrong and I will fight you.

2. What Colm is referring to is an interview with one of the stuntmen, where he states the guys watched a lot of videos to see what worked (video watching is maybe the second bes way of figuring out what works)

3. Billy Blanks was one of the top sport karate competitors of his day and made some terrible movies. He then made up tae bo, while I don't doubt his credentials, all tae bo does is let Billy Blanks drive a gold plated ferrari. Just because you have succeeded yourself does not mean you are (a) a person to be trusted, (b) a good instructor or (c) going to make groundbreaking innovations to a fighting style.

In the fighting arts that I follow you get phenoms, they change small things abd excel. Even someone as groundbreaking as Eddie Bravo still works the basics of the Jitz game. To see two guys come along and try and completely revolutionize the fight game seems a little like over-reaching. Maybe I'm just cynical.

paxo

PMA
KFM website plus a youtube clip

Paxo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUZM4cwBsuU
http://www.keysikfm.com/en/index.php

Scramble

From the Keysi website:-

The Keysi Fighting Method was born on the 12th of October 1957 in a small mining town on the outskirts of Seville in Spain, this being the birth date of KFM founder Justo Dieguez Serrano.

Working in the mines from a very young age, Justo quickly learnt the ways of self-preservation. This was the start of the most incredible journey of trials and tribulations of a modern day genius.

To escape the mining life style Justo started travelling around the world studying and investigating many different martial arts, in the constant search for answers.

As martial arts wesbite biographies go, this isn't the most over-the-top one I've ever read ( no wrestling with bears, working for the CIA or developing spiritual powers ). While it reads a bit like the plot of an 80s martial arts movie, the bare bones of it may be true. He probably did grow up in a mining town. He probably did leave it an travel a bit doing martial arts. But as with a lot of martial arts copy, it has been 'sexed up' to appeal to the sort of person who wants to believe that martial arts instructors have heroic and amazing qualities.

There are lots of organisations which tacitly encourage this 'cult of personality' where the top man in the system is lionised and stories are told about how exceptional they are. Back a few years ago when I was doing a traditional japanese martial art, this was definitley the norm in our group, and there were always these laughable (in hindsight) anecdotes cropping up about Instructor 'x' pulling of some ninja-like feat of martial arts.

At the risk of bringing up the usual debate which always simmers below the surface on this forum, I think it's interesting that where situations like this develop it is almost always in systems which have little or no way of empirically testing their methods because they are too lethal or suitable only for 'the street'.

pma-ire

i don't know where you are going with these posts folks??

anyway, enjoy the batman!! the bat is cool

paxo, thanks for the links!!

Darkwarrior

Read and learn Gentleman...

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Handbook-Ultimate-Training-Manual/dp/1594740232

paxo

Dark Warrior - Are you Batman ?

Clive

I think you'll find it's The Batman!

pma-ire

Darkwarrior wrote:

Read and learn Gentleman...

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Handbook-Ultimate-Training-Manual/dp/1594740232

now why did'int i get that for xmas??