If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)

Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

IDE connectors

jaarius · 2001-09-24 11:09:10

i have run out of IDE conections on my mobo... can i use one of the IDE connectors (on the cable) to connect another IDE cable to that? am i explaining this right? j

24-09-2001 11:09am

#1

jaarius

Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭

Join Date: August 2001

Posts: 273

i have run out of IDE conections on my mobo...

can i use one of the IDE connectors (on the cable) to connect another IDE cable to that?

am i explaining this right?

j

0

Comments

#2 24-09-2001 12:09pm

po0k

Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭

Join Date: January 2001

Posts: 14988

Short answer: No

Seeing as you've poseted this I'll take it you don't know about the IDE controller.

ok, two 40-pin sockets on a normal board (RAID boards aside).
one socket per IDE channel
Each channel can take two drives, on Master Drive and one Slave drive, this is set using jumpers on the back on the drives.
there is normally a third position for the jumper, called 'C' or 'Cable select'.
AFAIK (having never bothered to use it - or hdd caddies) its the connector at the end of the drive that ou connect the master drive to.

You cannont, repeat cannot just add a 3 drive to the one channel. Just won't work.

SCSI is like a 'proper' big professional brother to the cheaper, and hence more common IDE system.
With SCSI you generally have much faster drives themselves with bigger caches adn faster spin speeds, along side faster interfaces.
You can connect 7 drives to an SCSI chain, and you have to set jumpers at the back of the fdrive to identify it to the SCSI card, similar to the IDE master/slave setup.
RAID is available in both IDE and SCSI formats.
Stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives.
It has several levels, each defining a different method of improvin drive usage, and each on suited to a aparticular role. You can mix them to suit your requirements.
They are something like striping(spreading the data in stripes accross the two drives to improve speed) mirroring (the same data is on two drives and hence is more available).
I don't consider myself in anyway and expert on RAID, but let me direct you to a thread which explains it in greater detail (eventually ):
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=31505&pagenumber=1

0
#3 24-09-2001 1:02pm

Xterminator

Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭

Join Date: January 2001

Posts: 4518

What you can do is buy an IDE controller card which you can add 2 more ide devices to.

As you already probably have the hdd, there is no need to go the scsi route. (expense vs performance).

I havent much time to search, but on this page there a muli i/o card for £22 (1xParalell,1x Serial, 1xIDE
( http://www.marx-computers.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi )

or for £30 you can get an ATA100 card in peats. http://www.peats.ie/cgi-bin/shop/db.cgi?view=1&id=552&type=5&path=14x122
Sunix ATA100 Controller Card - PCI Interface

X

0
#4 27-09-2001 8:56am

WhiteWashMan

Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭

Join Date: February 1998

Posts: 19273

i have an ide controller card and its nice and handy.
only problem is when you start putting 5 hard drives and 2 cdrom drives and a zip drive in your system, you tend to find wires all over the place and your cooling goes out the window (and not the extractor fans )
but still very handy all the same.

0
#5 27-09-2001 9:02am

beaver

Closed Accounts Posts: 512 ✭✭✭

Join Date: July 2001

Posts: 492

If you're having cooling issues due to IDE/FDD cables all over the place, consider tubularising them.

You've probably seen it mentioned online before... it basically involves carefully slicing each of the 40 wires individually and then taping them back into a circular bunch. Much neater!

-Ross

0
#6 27-09-2001 12:05pm

JustHalf

Closed Accounts Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭

Join Date: April 2001

Posts: 2400

My friend Paul (llatsni) did something brilliant with his IDE cables. Cut them into 5 strips of 16 wires, and folded them over onto each other before taping them together.

Brilliant, and very neat.

0
Advertisement
#7 27-09-2001 2:22pm

beaver

Closed Accounts Posts: 512 ✭✭✭

Join Date: July 2001

Posts: 492

Originally posted by JustHalf
My friend Paul (llatsni) did something brilliant with his IDE cables. Cut them into 5 strips of 16 wires, and folded them over onto each other before taping them together.

Um, 5 * 16 = 80. IDE cables have 40 wires...

* DOES NOT COMPUTE! *

-Ross

0
#8 27-09-2001 2:57pm

WhiteWashMan

Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭

Join Date: February 1998

Posts: 19273

Originally posted by beaver

Um, 5 * 16 = 80. IDE cables have 40 wires...

* DOES NOT COMPUTE! * B]

meep

++ out of cheese error++

yeah i ve xeen the tubed ide cables and they are neat.
i think i will invest in some.
mind you, i think i'll need a machette coz its like a bloody jungle in there

0
#9 27-09-2001 3:46pm

logic1

Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭

Join Date: April 2000

Posts: 3638

I hear the best method to make your own is to cut the IDE cable into strips of 4 wires each then bundle em together with tape or wire ties.

.logic.

0
#10 27-09-2001 4:59pm

JustHalf

Closed Accounts Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭

Join Date: April 2001

Posts: 2400

Er, those that fit the UDMA66 specification do

0
#11 28-09-2001 9:01am

beaver

Closed Accounts Posts: 512 ✭✭✭

Join Date: July 2001

Posts: 492

Originally posted by JustHalf
Er, those that fit the UDMA66 specification do

Ah, 33 ought to be enough for ya!

Christ, I've been outta hardware too long...

0
Advertisement
#12 28-09-2001 1:55pm

po0k

Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭

Join Date: January 2001

Posts: 14988

But you never really left, did you?

0
#13 28-09-2001 2:39pm

beaver

Closed Accounts Posts: 512 ✭✭✭

Join Date: July 2001

Posts: 492

Originally posted by [FCA]SyxPak
But you never really left, did you?

I guess not, but when you're not working with it every day... you know how it is...

-Ross

0
#14 02-10-2001 9:38am

Ba$tard

Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭

Join Date: April 2001

Posts: 528

Yup,

ATA-66 and above have 80-Way cables. The extra 40 cables are grounded cables between each other cable which creates a low-yield magnetic shield against interference.

As far as tubularising IDE cables goes... you would ruin the performance of the cable and the way the wires are mapped away from each other to aid against interference, ie.e Data Pin8 and 38 are far far from each other normally as they cause interference to each other due to symmetrical frequency transmission attentuation (there ya go!).....

If you are still hellbent on tubularising cables...only do it on Optical devices, e.g CDROMS, DVD's and any ATA-33 devices...

Ba$tard

0