Milkybar Hand

AmarilloFats

Took this hand from here: http://milkybarkids.blogspot.com/
Very sucessful online player...
Not Sure about his play here though... what do you think.

6 handed. A few limpers and the button made it £100 to play. It could quite easily be a move to pick up the blinds so i called with JdQd from the big blind. One of the other limpers called as well. Flop 2dJhKd. A great flop for me. I checked, limper checked and the button made it £300. I decided to just take a card as he had £3000 in front of him. The other guy passed. Turn a Qs. I now had two pair so decided the check raise was the move to make. I checked. he bet £800 and i put him all in for about another £1800. Unsurprisingly he called with KK. I don't think i could really have got away from that hand without it costing me alot. So i ended the Holdem about even

Culchie

I think cash games scare me:(

If he had folded JQ preflop he could have got away from the hand easy enough, is my reading of it.

Culchie

This is another of his posts .... his limping in gets him exactly what he deserves in my opinion.



The EPT Main event

I lost 40% of my 10000 starting chips early when 88 hit a set against my QQ. Then i got very lucky against Joe Grech when i bluffed on the turn and was forced to call my last chips as there was so much in the middle with just eight outs.

After that i started to play quite well and got moved on to a table downstairs with Barny Boatman and Dave Pomroy. Went on quite a card rush and hit a high point of 30000 (chip average was 20000).

Then this fun hand occurred. Blinds 400/800. I limped with QQ. One other limper. BB checked. Flop T82 with two diamonds. BB checked. I checked. Limper bet 1000. BB made it 4000. He had 11000 before the hand. I made it 10000. Limper passed. BB obviously didn't have much. He thought for ages and then called with T3. Turn a 3. Mmmmmmmmm nice. Would have been cruising on 45000 but was back to 20000 and feeling tilty.
Lost 8000 soon after betting a flush draw that never hit all the way through. About 45 minutes later i played my final hand. I had 16000 before the hand and was dealt AA on the button. One limper and i made it 3200 to play as i wanted action. BB called and the limper called. Flop J34 with two diamonds. First limper checked. Second limper bet 10000 and i moved all in. He called with QdKd and the turn was a lovely diamond to leave me drawing dead.

Shortstack

Culchie wrote:

This is another of his posts .... his limping in gets him exactly what he deserves in my opinion.



The EPT Main event

I lost 40% of my 10000 starting chips early when 88 hit a set against my QQ. Then i got very lucky against Joe Grech when i bluffed on the turn and was forced to call my last chips as there was so much in the middle with just eight outs.

After that i started to play quite well and got moved on to a table downstairs with Barny Boatman and Dave Pomroy. Went on quite a card rush and hit a high point of 30000 (chip average was 20000).

Then this fun hand occurred. Blinds 400/800. I limped with QQ. One other limper. BB checked. Flop T82 with two diamonds. BB checked. I checked. Limper bet 1000. BB made it 4000. He had 11000 before the hand. I made it 10000. Limper passed. BB obviously didn't have much. He thought for ages and then called with T3. Turn a 3. Mmmmmmmmm nice. Would have been cruising on 45000 but was back to 20000 and feeling tilty.
Lost 8000 soon after betting a flush draw that never hit all the way through. About 45 minutes later i played my final hand. I had 16000 before the hand and was dealt AA on the button. One limper and i made it 3200 to play as i wanted action. BB called and the limper called. Flop J34 with two diamonds. First limper checked. Second limper bet 10000 and i moved all in. He called with QdKd and the turn was a lovely diamond to leave me drawing dead.

It was Donnacha O'Dea with the 10 3. Both played it pretty poorly if you ask me.

Culchie

Shortstack wrote:

It was Donnacha O'Dea with the 10 3. Both played it pretty poorly if you ask me.

I dunno :rolleyes:

Is it a case that some players just become too smart for their own good or what?
Or I wonder is it because some are sponsored, and not playing with 'real money'.


If this happened in the freeroll I'd be surprised, never mind in an EPT event.

ntlbell

Culchie wrote:

I dunno :rolleyes:

Is it a case that some players just become too smart for their own good or what?
Or I wonder is it because some are sponsored, and not playing with 'real money'.


If this happened in the freeroll I'd be surprised, never mind in an EPT event.

This type of play was pretty common on the day

The Troll

AmarilloFats wrote:

Very sucessful online player...

He must play very differently to the 2 quoted hands then. Horrendous play IMHO.

The Troll

That guy is Ben Grundy by the way.

RoundTower

I don't see why he played either of the hands badly. OK you can say "always raise QQ 3x the big blind preflop" and "never play with JQs" but that would make you very predictable, especially in a game where your opponents are paying attention. And if they aren't paying attention you should probably play JQ against a raise anyway.

It's results-oriented thinking, if his opponent in the first hand had had AA instead, or if O'Dea hadn't hit 2 pair after calling all in with top pair against a reraise, you'ld think he played the hand very well.

The only point I really think he may have played badly was re-raising with QQ on the flop. You shouldn't do that there without some kind of a read on one of the players.

Shortstack

RoundTower wrote:

I don't see why he played either of the hands badly. OK you can say "always raise QQ 3x the big blind preflop" and "never play with JQs" but that would make you very predictable, especially in a game where your opponents are paying attention. And if they aren't paying attention you should probably play JQ against a raise anyway.

It's results-oriented thinking, if his opponent in the first hand had had AA instead, or if O'Dea hadn't hit 2 pair after calling all in with top pair against a reraise, you'ld think he played the hand very well.

The only point I really think he may have played badly was re-raising with QQ on the flop. You shouldn't do that there without some kind of a read on one of the players.

Well I don't think the JQs is a bad hand to be playing an cash so I agree with that.

I sort of agree with you on the QQ, if you are going to limp then you have tread very carefully on the flop. There is no safe flop when you limp unless you have the nuts. Raising pre-flop is all about defining your own hand and trying to define your opponents. It was a crazy table so I am presuming he was limping hoping somebody would raise but that is still dangerous with QQ.

Culchie

RoundTower wrote:

I don't see why he played either of the hands badly. OK you can say "always raise QQ 3x the big blind preflop" and "never play with JQs" but that would make you very predictable, especially in a game where your opponents are paying attention. And if they aren't paying attention you should probably play JQ against a raise anyway.

It's results-oriented thinking, if his opponent in the first hand had had AA instead, or if O'Dea hadn't hit 2 pair after calling all in with top pair against a reraise, you'ld think he played the hand very well.

The only point I really think he may have played badly was re-raising with QQ on the flop. You shouldn't do that there without some kind of a read on one of the players.

I've no problem with limping to mix it up and playing different hand selections to keep people guessing Roundtower, and I'm certainly not in a position to tell a pro how to play either ..... however, regardless of how the hands turned out, limping with the QQ and AA is not putting more chips in the centre either. It's easier to get opponents to put chips in the pot in earlier betting rounds than later.
All about playing styles, but I'm raising, I don't want to get bit in the ass with 10 3, and I want to get paid as much I can when I do have Premium Hands.

The JQ cash hand ... I'll sit on fence, I don't play cash, as I said, I'd be afraid of them, and would have folded the JQ out of position

RoundTower

Culchie wrote:

All about playing styles, but I'm raising, I don't want to get bit in the ass with 10 3, and I want to get paid as much I can when I do have Premium Hands.

Do you realise he got his opponent to put all his chips in as a 4-1 underdog? You want to be bitten in the ass by T3 as much as possible if it happens like that.

Culchie

Yes I did read the post. And you realise his tournament was ruined by limping and letting the blinds play with crap.

Heck why bother raising at all then.

Different scenario in a cash game I agree.

BTW, I'm ready to learn here, so don't interpret my point of view as being a dogmatic one.

Hectorjelly

Culchie wrote:

Yes I did read the post. And you realise his tournament was ruined by limping and letting the blinds play with crap.

Heck why bother raising at all then.

Different scenario in a cash game I agree.

BTW, I'm ready to learn here, so don't interpret my point of view as being a dogmatic one.

His tournament wasnt ruined by limping and lettingthe blinds play with crap, in fact his tournament expectation was INCREASED by that course of action. As roundtower mentioned analysis ends when all the money goes into the pot, what happens after that is inconsequential. There is no need to raise QQ/AA if you are going to find an opponent happy to put all his chips into the pot with top pair 3 kicker in an unraised pot

Marq

Hectorjelly wrote:

There is no need to raise QQ/AA if you are going to find an opponent happy to put all his chips into the pot with top pair 3 kicker in an unraised pot

This statement should end the discussion.

The C Kid

I like Ben's blog and he hasn't done too badly so far this year, including a nice cash in Sweden.

I don't mind the play in the cash hand, QJs is a decent hand to defend your blinds with, how often is that player on the button going to be raising with junk making a move on your blinds. After the turn, it's hard to see an escape route.

While I certainly wouldn't recommend limping with QQ, if that's how it turns out, being 80/20 when the chips go in then no complaints again.

Milkybarkid

Ok the two hands

JQs is not a bad hand to defend blinds with 6 handed. Remember there were two limpers so i had to put just another £80 in to a pot of £170....

Its also a hand i can get away from easily if i don't see a favourable flop. If it had flopped J34 not much would have sailed in the middle at all. As it happened i had two pair and the second nut flush draw. Not a bad spot to put someone to a decision for all their money...

The EPT tournament hand..

As Hectorjelly said i got involved in a big pot as a massive favourite.... exactly what i wanted. The one thing i have learned is that to do well in big tournaments you have to mix up your game alot and take chances with hands. Sure i could have got rid of the T3 hand by raising prelop but i want people to play that badly against me. I actually didn't even know it was Donnacha O'Dea. In my opinion he played the hand terribly... he called a re re raise with top pair 3 kicker. I would absolutely love to play against him more often... especially in a cash game!

AmarilloFats

Who asked you anyway! Jebus is there no corner of the WWW where you can take the piss outta a better players play without him noticing....

Lex

AmarilloFats wrote:

Who asked you anyway! Jebus is there no corner of the WWW where you can take the piss outta a better players play without him noticing....

LOL!
You been Googleing urself MilkybarKid??

Fathead

I reckon it was a tip off.....

careca

Milkybarkid wrote:

Ok the two hands

Welcome to Boards. Compliments on your blog, one of the few out there who update it on a frequent basis (/dig at some boardsters). For those of us who have some spare time at work (between tea breaks ), its a blessing. Keep it up.

DeVore

I think shortstack tipped him off....

DeV.

Wallko

nice to see a big timer taking time out to offer us lowly mortels some advice, or defend himself at least!
Nice work on the blog, very interesting, il keep an eye on it

Milkybarkid

I don't mind the criticism.

I am the first to admit that i play some of them terribly. The hand i got lucky against Joe Grech was an example of how not to play a hand!

Keep reading the blog and comments and criticism are always welcome!