Nestle/Coke Product on Sale in SU Shop

The Shol'va

So, it looks like the Trinity News picked up on last week's scandal of the Hamilton shop selling delicious, tasty Nestea, which just happens to be made by Nestle and bottled by Coke. Double-bollocks there.

So, discuss?

Jonny Arson

Good. Consumers deserve freedom as to which products they choose to buy/consume instead of been manipulated by a bunch of political hacks who think they can dictate what a student can buy.

DrIndy

I prefer Lipton Tea myself.......

ApeXaviour

DrIndy wrote:

I prefer Lipton Tea myself.......

Here-here! Far superior product

patzer117

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Good. Consumers deserve freedom as to which products they choose to buy/consume instead of been manipulated by a bunch of political hacks who think they can dictate what a student can buy.

I couldn't agree more. what are the reasons for the ban anyway? something to do with Columbia, cause yeah, the real problem over there is coke... but not the coke we're talking about...

ninja 101

yeah right on,who gives a toss about what nestle and coke do in their own tim as long as they supply thierS?it at good solid low price,F?ck the hippes and any other complete ***** who get worked up about such a stupid pernikity thing such as this.If you don't like coke/nestles polices don't drink it but don't dare try to make my mind up for me.

ApeXaviour

ninja 101 wrote:

If you don't like coke/nestles polices don't drink it but don't dare try to make my mind up for me.

What makes you think the su are trying to make your mind up for you? Far from it really..

The Shol'va wrote:

and any other complete ***** who get worked up about such a stupid pernikity thing such as this

^^ Heheh. I love people like this. No need to take the piss out of them. They do it themselves

regi

Is it tasty?

Pet

They do it themselves

And that's what really hurts..

John

We've been through this before, if all the moaners had gone out and voted then Coke wouldn't be banned in the SU shops. But they didn't and it is. Bring it up in council if you really want your freedom of choice back that much but bear in mind they failed to get it back last year.

*bah humbugs into the night*

Nietzschean

well i've voted against the coke ban in all of the votes so i reserve my right to bitch and moan.

Nietzschean

exactly

incidentally dec pointed out who ye were last week...hrmm met ye that one time i was pissed in the pav n kept calling Dee Deidre or something.......

Ron DMC

Serenity wrote:

that one time i was pissed in the pav.

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Nietzschean

Ronny Mitchell wrote:

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ok so its happened more than once, twice....etc.. ye get the idea....damn alcohomolism

Crash

For the record - class rep training is now the official best place to skull cans

HomesickAlien

Pet wrote:

And that's what really hurts..

damn! snuck it in before me! that was my radiohead referance!

now, dont get me wrong, "...boo, down with coke! go home ya nazis!! han shot first!!..." and all that, but, seriously, what differance are the su shops going yo make in global corperate politics. are the owners of coke really going to stop being evil if its brought up in a board meeting? "gentlemen, we're losing tens of dollars over this su scandal..."

ApeXaviour

HomesickAlien wrote:

but, seriously, what differance are the su shops going yo make in global corperate politics. are the owners of coke really going to stop being evil if its brought up in a board meeting? "gentlemen, we're losing tens of dollars over this su scandal..."

We've been through this before too. The money is hardly the issue, I mean it's negligible on their sales to a ridiculous degree. It's a stand, a gesture. It raises awareness and makes a point.
In as far as influence. It could compared to voting in a national election, what difference does one persons vote make? Why do we do it then? If everyone was apathetic like that we'd be a world of door-mats. It requires an ego and inflated sense of self-importance to do things beyond your apparent abilities, just look at Bob Geldof. Now there's an ego..

ApeXaviour

Dead Ed wrote:

Incidentally, I wouldn't advise calling her Deirdre again, she's a mighty violent woman!

Indeed, I quit doing that when she threatened to castrate me with a rusty spoon..

crash_000

crash_000 wrote:

For the record - class rep training is now the official best place to skull cans

Yeah, you could have cleaned them up after yourselves though!

Deviation

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Good. Consumers deserve freedom as to which products they choose to buy/consume instead of been manipulated by a bunch of political hacks who think they can dictate what a student can buy.

The political hacks did not dictate anything It was decided, more than once, by a majority of those who voted in a free and open election.

If you're unhappy with the ban, you should have voted for the motion which was put to the college population last year. If you did vote and still bemoan the ban's democratic mandate, you're refusing to accept a democratic decision and thus are impinging on the rights of the majority.

If you are applying "the ban in a college makes no difference" logic, I suggest you take course PO1610 and learn about Collective Action today; or lie down and let un-democratic forces ride your mother senseless tomorrow.

Nietzschean

Deviation wrote:

The political hacks did not dictate anything It was decided, more than once, by a majority of those who voted in a free and open election.

Your nieve to think that any SU vote reflects the feelings of the majority of the college.

If you're unhappy with the ban, you should have voted for the motion which was put to the college population last year. If you did vote and still bemoan the ban's democratic mandate, you're refusing to accept a democratic decision and thus are impinging on the rights of the majority.

Er, is it not our right in a democratic setup to bitch and moan about anything we wish? And personally i think the stupid arts block heads should have just banned it from the su shop up there, coke consumption is much much higher down in the hamilton. Also where the opposition to the ban would be highest.

If you are applying "the ban in a college makes no difference" logic, I suggest you take course PO1610 and learn about Collective Action today; or lie down and let un-democratic forces ride your mother senseless tomorrow.

er, i haven't taken that course, but could you point out what difference the ban has ment? other than i haven't been in an SU shop since it was instigated?

paconnors

DrIndy wrote:

I prefer Lipton Tea myself.......

But Can it be baught in the shops. I dont think so :eek::eek:

And if so is it sold in galway.:cool::cool:

regi

DrIndy wrote:

I prefer Lipton Tea myself.......

I hear the baby milk is much tastier.

wheresthebeef

If you have a problem with the coke ban, speak to your student rep and get them to go about the right channels and propse the ban be abolished. Thats how the ban got in, and thats the only way it should be taken out.

I am a JF Rep for Nursing, and our food is provided by the shockingly overpriced West Coast Coffee company, so we get all the corporations selling is their overpriced and undertasted wares in the Gas Building.

Deviation

Serenity wrote:

Your nieve to think that any SU vote reflects the feelings of the majority of the college.

It was not an SU vote.

Er, is it not our right in a democratic setup to bitch and moan about anything we wish?

No.

And personally i think the stupid arts block heads

Nicely said.

should have just banned it from the su shop up there, coke consumption is much much higher down in the hamilton. Also where the opposition to the ban would be highest.

Then I suggest you propose a motion to repeal the ban and put it to the student body.

er, i haven't taken that course, but could you point out what difference the ban has ment? other than i haven't been in an SU shop since it was instigated?

It has meant that the student body of TCD have, openly and fairly, voiced their opinion that given the actions of Coca-Cola and Nestlé, their Union will not sell their products. It makes it harder for students to purchase Coke which they consider, at this time, an unethical decision.

The ban also raises awareness, particularly among students, that these companies are accused of behaving in an improper manner. If, nothing else, the students believe they are taking a moral stand. They are supporting a cause they feel it would be otherwise wrong to not support.

Each vote in a General Election only goes towards their constituency, which itself provides only a small subsection of the executive. No major election has ever been won by a single ballot. How and ever, the aggregated effect of the apathetic "but one vote" approach radically alters democratic values. Your single vote will not make a major difference, but your resignation to apathy does.

One piece of litter makes little difference. To quote the poster I'm sure you saw last year, "It is better to light one small candle than to curse the darkness".

WigWam

Deviation wrote:

It was not an SU vote.


No.

Nicely said.

Then I suggest you propose a motion to repeal the ban and put it to the student body.

It has meant that the student body of TCD have, openly and fairly, voiced their opinion that given the actions of Coca-Cola and Nestlé, their Union will not sell their products. It makes it harder for students to purchase Coke which they consider, at this time, an unethical decision.

The ban also raises awareness, particularly among students, that these companies are accused of behaving in an improper manner. If, nothing else, the students believe they are taking a moral stand. They are supporting a cause they feel it would be otherwise wrong to not support.

Each vote in a General Election only goes towards their constituency, which itself provides only a small subsection of the executive. No major election has ever been won by a single ballot. How and ever, the aggregated effect of the apathetic "but one vote" approach radically alters democratic values. Your single vote will not make a major difference, but your resignation to apathy does.

One piece of litter makes little difference. To quote the poster I'm sure you saw last year, "It is better to light one small candle than to curse the darkness".

<yawn>sigh</yawn>

Nietzschean

Deviation wrote:

It was not an SU vote.

Who organised/ran the vote? the su....duhhh!

No.

Where is it laid out we don't have the right to protest?!

Nicely said.

Taken a bit of out context....

Then I suggest you propose a motion to repeal the ban and put it to the student body.

If i had any faith in the system at all i might, but really i don't, and my office is beside westland row, so i'll just continue to take my business elsewhere.

It has meant that the student body of TCD have, openly and fairly, voiced their opinion that given the actions of Coca-Cola and Nestlé, their Union will not sell their products. It makes it harder for students to purchase Coke which they consider, at this time, an unethical decision.

your back again to assume any SU vote is representative of the student body, which given general turn outs is not accurate. You can go on about apathy and its all their fault for not voting, but that doesn't put aside the issue that its not the student body at large.

The ban also raises awareness, particularly among students, that these companies are accused of behaving in an improper manner. If, nothing else, the students believe they are taking a moral stand. They are supporting a cause they feel it would be otherwise wrong to not support.

I've yet to hear of a single student who's stopped drinking coke as a result. Please correct me if i'm wrong, I like most others have just gone elsewhere. (Queue's for SU shop outside the ham are much smaller than when i was in first year...)

Each vote in a General Election only goes towards their constituency, which itself provides only a small subsection of the executive. No major election has ever been won by a single ballot. How and ever, the aggregated effect of the apathetic "but one vote" approach radically alters democratic values. Your single vote will not make a major difference, but your resignation to apathy does.

Apathy? i've voted against the ban's when ever they have come up. And i'm well entitled to protest the ban aslong as its in existance, there is no such thing in any democratic society where i should just lie down and go with the flow....its actually against the whole point of having a democratic society.

One piece of litter makes little difference. To quote the poster I'm sure you saw last year, "It is better to light one small candle than to curse the darkness".

Tripe.


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