I'm a firm believer in Murphy's law. (HH)

NickyOD

Very early in a $50 SnG on Party. No info on oponents.

***** Hand History for Game 2961547489 *****
15/30 TOURNEY TEXAS HOLD'EM GAME TABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 17037284) - MON OCT 31 21:40:21 EST 2005
Table Table 69502 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: jcl10s (910)
Seat 2: x_G_x (990)
Seat 3: NickyOD (960)
Seat 4: killerden (1135)
Seat 5: vu_490 (1350)
Seat 6: CarterPlaysU (690)
Seat 7: ThatsTheGame (875)
Seat 9: golfnuting (1275)
Seat 10: The_Dud3r (1815)
jcl10s posts small blind (10)
x_G_x posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NickyOD [ Kd, Kc ]
NickyOD raises (60) to 60
killerden calls (60)
vu_490 folds.
CarterPlaysU folds.
ThatsTheGame folds.
golfnuting folds.
The_Dud3r raises (250) to 250
jcl10s folds.
x_G_x folds.
NickyOD ???

Lafortezza

Call, push any non-Ace flop?

staringelf

i'd push this preflop. he's not going to lay it down after reraising you that much i don't think, especially since he can aford to lose. if he has aces he has aces and that'll happen from time to time. however, because of the tournament structure (there's only 10 players and the blinds go up so fast it quickly becomes somewhat of a crapshoot) you have to take a chance. and it doesn't get much better than KK.
if it was QQ i would call and push on any non K/A flop.

what happened anyway? i'd say he has something crap like AJo or 88 and is trying to bully you a bit.

NickyOD

I see plenty of players laying down after putting in this much. He's not pot committed and has almost twice my stack but If he's a good player he will only call me with AA/KK

Ste05

It is a tricky one, especially with the caller in UTG+1 in the pot too, I think it looks like a big hand trying to isolate. The question is how big is his hand. If you call there's a good chance UTG+1 will call too, and the last thing you want to have is a 3 way pot, out of position with KK, especially when the pot will be over 750 and you all only have about 750 each, and you'll really have no choice but to push on any flop without an A

I think really that you have to push here and hope he doesn't have AA. I agree that if he's anyway decent player he will lay down AK and it's ilk, but I'd say there's a chance he might put you on AKs and might possibly call with any pair over 10's, at which point he'll be getting better than even money to call and might do so..... it is a tricky situation though, Looking forward to seeing how it panned out...

staringelf

NickyOD wrote:

I see plenty of players laying down after putting in this much. He's not pot committed and has almost twice my stack but If he's a good player he will only call me with AA/KK

oh i know he's not pot committed, that's not what i meant. i meant that, from my own experience, anybody who is REraising preflop generally tends to put it all in when faced with a push. and since he'll only be back to roughly what he started with, its very very likely he's going to call if you push as he can afford to gamble.

the thing is, if he hadn't already doubled up i'd be more wary of him having aces as he's got more to lose (he'll be eliminated if he loses). the fact that he has doubled up already (pretty much anyway) means he can try and bully a bit more, so he could easily have a lower pp or AK, AQ and if he's particularly loose even AJ. i think that's the most important thing to consider - the fact he can bully a bit and gamble, which means your KK is probably miles ahead

DapperGent

Given that UTG +1 is in too I think it's a push. If you call UTG +1 will call too with almost all hands that he saw fit to call an UTG minraise with, then you're out of postion on a flop against two players only one of which has a hand that is in any way defined.

If UTG +1 wasn't there I'd flat call and get all in on most flops with some check/raise cheekiness perhaps.

I hate min-raising this hand (or most hands really) from UTG. If you get one caller before the blinds you're likely to have at least one if not both of them seeing a flop with a wide range of hands. I'd either limp or raise 3 or 4 blinds depending on how myself and the table had been playing up to this point.

Anyway push.

NickyOD

I've been walking Kings and Queens into Aces quite a lot lately in STTs so I've been trying to take that out of my game. There's defintely a solid argument for pushing here. Depending on the player who makes the reraise here I think you could argue for pushing/calling or even folding with kings in this spot. I know certain players who would only ever raise in this spot with Aces.

I decided to just call. I didn't think UTG +1 could call since he he just called my initial raise. To my amazement he pushed, then this happened.

NickyOD calls (190)
killerden raises (1075) to 1135
killerden is all-In.
The_Dud3r folds.
NickyOD calls (710)
NickyOD is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $2195 with NickyOD
Creating Side Pot 1 with $175 with killerden
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3d, 2d, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2195 | Side Pot 1: 175
Board: [ 3d 2d 8h 4c 4d ]
jcl10s balance 900, lost 10 (folded)
x_G_x balance 975, lost 15 (folded)
NickyOD balance 2195, bet 960, collected 2195, net +1235 [ Kd Kc ] [ two pairs, kings and fours -- Kd,Kc,8h,4c,4d ]
killerden balance 175, bet 1135, collected 175, lost -960 [ Qc Ah ] [ a pair of fours -- Ah,Qc,8h,4c,4d ]

"the_dud" said he had notes on me and only folded to UTG+1 push because I stayed in the hand. He said he folded AK, which (if he really has notes on me) he shouldn't be reraising with.

Marq

I like a push here. The pot is big enough to take down now, and if he has aces, and if you flat call, there are still lots of flops where you are going to lose your tank either way (ie 774 etc). Better to make the choice that makes all of your subsequent decisions easier.

Quite a few players will call with TT-QQ, even AQs+. I think in the long run pushing is EV+.