Dell desktop bargain

commited

Have a look at the Dimension 9100 (D10917) (pick best spec'd one (€1440 and downgrade cpu )

Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 820 with HT technology (2.80GHz, 800MHz fsb, 2MB cache)
Microsoft Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition, SP2
Memory - 1024MB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz (2x512) Memory
Keyboard - Dell Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
Monitor - Dell 19" Value Flat Panel (E193FP)
Video Card - 256MB nVidia GeForce 6800 (DVI/VGA/TV-out)
Hard Drive - 320GB Serial ATA RAID 0 Stripe [2x160GB 7200rpm drives with DataBurst™ cache]
Floppy Drives - Internal 9-in-1 Flash Card Reader
Mouse - Dell USB Optical Mouse
Modem - V.92 Data Fax Modem
CD/DVD Drives - 16x DVD+/-RW & 16x DVD Drives
Speakers - Dell 5650 5.1 Surround Speaker System
Microsoft Application Software Microsoft® Works 7.0 - English
Standard Warranty - 1 Year Collect and Return
Cover It with Dell Support Services - 1 Year European Collect and Return Service
Price: €956

Has the superior and expensive 800series processor, decent graphics card, 1gb ram, big hard drive, 19" flat panel & lots of other bits and bobs!
If you want to overclock, just whip out the motherboard (to the void of your warranty) and replace!

(you're looking at about €1500 for a similar spec from Komplett. I'm not a dell fan but you cant deny that is a ridiculously good offer!)

chump

That's fuppin unreal...

fukk, gimme money

it includes top gfx
huggge hD
5.1 speakers
nice ram, nice mon,
nice everything... it's missing nothing

Even if the processor was a celeron it'd b worth it

The Troll

Pretty good offer alright.

commited

You can all send me your savings ( I'm broke )

Not exactly a top gfx but a pretty decent one alright.. Makes it sweeter that its a 800series processor not a 600

cubix

Was it dell who use to make their M/Boards non standard so you could not replace them and also could not fit standard pci cards? if so are they still at this

Thanks Cubix

Placebo

i think il buy this. thanks alot.
would that G card be good enough for CS:source, HL 2 , call of duty 2 , FEAR etc , new games ?
if not could i get a new one and replace it [on that pc]

would there be much difference b/w 2.80 ghz and 3.00 ghz, = 200mhz.... ?
Intel® Pentium® D Processor 830 (3.00GHz, 800MHz fsb, 2x1MB cache) [add € 181.50 or € 7/month1]

181€ extra !

chump

Just ordered

How long they take to deliver usually?

The dual core cpu seems ideal for my kind of usage as well... review @ http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=145&type=expert&pid=17

"I have to commend Intel for opening the benefits of dual core processors to a much larger range of users than AMD has announced support for thus far by offering lower cost Pentium Ds. The 820 is the cheapest we will have, coming in around $250, and offers a great multitasking environment for less than half of the cost of the cheapest Athlon 64 X2 4200+. Does the performance of the 820 match that of the 4200+? Of course not but if you can’t afford a $550 processor then it doesn’t matter much does it?

Intel isn’t going to be winning any performance awards that exceed what the Pentium 4 could do with the new Intel Pentium D 820, or with any of their current array of Pentium D processors. At least not on current single threaded benchmarks anyway. The performance benefits of dual cores are much more difficult to materialize and even to write about, but the benefits are there. And with Intel pushing dual core in full swing, more and more applications and environments will be utilizing them more efficiently. And that means even better performance for the end user.

I have set up a discussion thread in our forums here for this review.

Be sure to use our price checking engine to find the best prices on the Intel Pentium D 820, and anything else you may want to buy!"

commited

Cubix - If they're motherboard are non standard, the most you'd have to change would be the case & psu to fit a new one but I doubt that'd be the case.

Placebo - that definately isnt worth €181! 2.8ghz will be plenty on a PC like that!
If you're going to upgrade anything go for the 7800 for an extra €240 i think!

Chump - nice one!! Glad someone could take advantage of this - I reckon it must be a mistake! About a week I think btw.

chump

Gona price on komplett, just out of interest

Case + PSU (cheapo)
In-Win S564 Midi Tower ATX Black/Silver case w/350W PSU == €66.01

Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 820 with HT technology (2.80GHz, 800MHz fsb, 2MB cache)
Memory - 1024MB Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz (2x512) Memory
Upgrade Kit Intel Pentium D 820 2.8GHz, I945P, 1024MB DDR2, PCI-Express == 450

Keyboard - Dell Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
Floppy Drives - Internal 9-in-1 Flash Card Reader
Mouse - Dell USB Optical Mouse
Modem - V.92 Data Fax Modem
== free will say


Monitor - Dell 19" Value Flat Panel (E193FP)
Acer 19" LCD AL1912S TCO99 Monitor, Silver/Black == 289


Video Card - 256MB nVidia GeForce 6800 (DVI/VGA/TV-out)
XFX GeForce 6800 256MB DDR PCI-Express, Tv-Out/Dual-DVI, Retail == 220

Hard Drive - 320GB Serial ATA RAID 0 Stripe [2x160GB 7200rpm drives with DataBurst™ cache]
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300GB SATA 16MB 7200RPM NCQ (cheapo option) == 128.01

CD/DVD Drives - 16x DVD+/-RW & 16x DVD Drives
NEC DVD±RW burner, ND-3550A, 16x, Dual, Black OEM == 43

Speakers - Dell 5650 5.1 Surround Speaker System
Creative Inspire T3030 (cheap option) == €49.50

Microsoft Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition, SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Home SP2 Software English OEM == €85.99

Microsoft Application Software Microsoft® Works 7.0 - English
Standard Warranty - 1 Year Collect and Return
Cover It with Dell Support Services - 1 Year European Collect and Return Service
Price: €956

Komplett price == 1247 + 86 (windows) + 10 (delivery, cheapest) = 1343

I'm happy now that I worked that out... proven to self tis a good deal, hassle and security wise at least

commited

And the dell stuff is actually better because its 2x160gb raid (faster), extra DVD drive, surround speakers & you get all the peripherals which come to about 100!

Wish I had a grand free!

chump

Same pc, except D11917

Dimension 9150
same specs, but
500GB Serial ATA RAID 0 Stripe [2x250GB 7200rpm drives with DataBurst™ cache] [Included in Price]

Now 1540

Can you believe it!

and missing surround speakers... and this is a "deal" including double memory and monitor upgrade...

they better not cancel my order!

wehhhhh weh weh (i cant believe they let that through)

commited

Yeah - I reckon someone must have included the 3.2ghz processor by accident when setting it up..
I hope they do the same in about a years time

chump

Well I'm getting it for sure...

Order Date: 26/10/2005
Estimated Delivery Date (on or before this date): 05/11/2005
Actual Shipment Date: 27/10/2005
Carrier Name: Interlink
Status of delivery: Your order is currently with the carrier and a detailed status on your delivery should be available shortly.
Packing Slip (Electronic Copy)

1. Order Processing
2. Pre-Production
3. Production
4. Delivery Preparation
5. Dispatched Thursday, October 27, 2005

Orders generally reach their destination within 2-5 working days of the actual ship date.

Your order has been dispatched as of (dd/mm/yyyy) 27/10/2005


that's impressive...

Telgere

Ordered 1 as well.
Changed the gfx to a 7800.
I was told by a tech from dell over the phone that they are gtx's can anyone confirm that?

Telgere

btw, thanks commited for the post.

commited

No probs dude - let me know how you get on with it

ninebeanrows

chump wrote:

Same pc, except D11917

Dimension 9150
same specs, but
500GB Serial ATA RAID 0 Stripe [2x250GB 7200rpm drives with DataBurst™ cache] [Included in Price]

Now 1540

Can you believe it!

and missing surround speakers... and this is a "deal" including double memory and monitor upgrade...

they better not cancel my order!

wehhhhh weh weh (i cant believe they let that through)

Looking forward to this machine chump it is mine too:p

And i was pretty sure Father's credit card was used??

chump

yea and you shud b grateful i wrangled if outa the auld man at such short notice u dik...

still banned from the wather forum?

commited

Just to let everyone know this offer is over!

chump

Talk about service... computer arrived yesterday evening (night)... set it up this morning at about 4or5 when came in...

ridiculous really, but not complainin!

btw thanks commited... good job!

logistic

Im still waiting for mine, was suppost to come yesterday. Got a call from Dell, will be here on Tuesday. Was hoping id have it for the long weekend.

commited

Post some benchmarks Chump

v10

I can't seem to find it ..

Can anyone provide a link ?

commited

As said above - its gone dude

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

If you're still interested. Ring them and quote the E-value. Tell them the spec and price. You might still get a similar machine.

I was in the same situation the other week, and the above worked.

D5100 wasn't available anymore, so the rep gave me the D5150 for same spec and price. Magic!

Just a note, the D5150 are very silent running machines.

ambrose :cool:

Dec4

Just a note, the D5150 are very silent running machines.

Just purchased one myself. Very silent apart from extra CD/RW drive fitted which makes a shocking amount of noise (vibration) when operating. Probably little point in complaining to Dell...

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

I know this is a little off topic but...
Dec4, I actually tried sticking in an old cdrw from my d8100 machine. I replaced it years ago with a dvdrw, so its just been lying around.

For some reason, after installing it, cd's/dvd's were taking forever to load. So I just took it out. Both drives are on the same cable and are set to CS. Maybe I missed something?

ambrose :cool:

Dec4

Actually the CD/RW I'm complaining about was Dell factory-fitted at an extra cost of €60odd. The 9-in-1 reader is also loose in it's housing. Bit shoddy....

chump

I must say I'm amazed at the build quality of the 9100 series.
Even the dvd player and dvd rw are good quality drives, sony and nec respectively. The case is a neat tidy unit. (compared to the shoddy dvd and cr-rw drives that sound like planes taking off on some of older dells ive used)
Overall am v. impressed. And I couldn't believe the 19inch monitor had no dead pixels. I was sure I was going to get a handful. Delighted!

commited

Great! What kinda quality is the monitor? Any ghosting/fuzziness?
You can sell me your old pc cheap :P

mad m

chump wrote:

I must say I'm amazed at the build quality of the 9100 series.
Even the dvd player and dvd rw are good quality drives, sony and nec respectively. The case is a neat tidy unit. (compared to the shoddy dvd and cr-rw drives that sound like planes taking off on some of older dells ive used)
Overall am v. impressed. And I couldn't believe the 19inch monitor had no dead pixels. I was sure I was going to get a handful. Delighted!

Do a benchmark 3dmark 2005 will you and post your score,would be interesting to see what score you get.

Thanks

Telgere

6500 out of the box

chump

Is that the score ?

Anyway mad m it's not particularly fast at gaming...

I've played the f.e.a.r demo, which kicks ass by the by, but the machine definetely cant get the 60fps you'd hope at high settings, and even more so in quake4...

It's definetely respectable, which does me as I don't really play games, but it isn't amazing...

That said I haven't played any games in years and am amazed at how graphically SPLENDID they've become

commited

Chump - change the motherboard and Overclock the mother

chump

I did some benchmarking with quake4... you have to run with +set com_allowConsole 1 command

playNetTimeDemo "ggl-timedemo.netdemo"
As referenced from http://www.ggl.com/view_forum_topic.php?TopicId=769

Standard: High quality, all settings max (or ON), except AA off.
FPS results below.

640x480 - 46.44
800x600 - 44.5
1024x768 - 44
1280x1024 - 37.01


Downloaded new drivers that apparently add extra support for dual processors...
81.87_forceware_winxp2k_english.exe

800x600 - 48.97
1280x1024 - 44.28

A pretty decent increase as you can see...
Other settings tried:
1280x1024 - low settings, vsync off, high qual off - 47.98
1280x1024 - ultra quality, all on - 37.94

Likely to use settings playing quake 4:
800.600, medium quality, with autoCFG - got 55.87 fps...

I would point out that this demo is a bit crappy, and I actually noticed a huge in-game (single player) increase in my actual fps... so these drivers definetely are worth the punt!


autoexec.cfg contains

set com_showFPS "1"
set com_fixedTic "-1"


// G R A P H I C S
set r_swapInterval "1" //vsync on/off - keep it off
set r_fullscreen "1" //fullscreen or window mode (can alt-enter for window mode toggle)
set r_brightness "1.35" //default 1.2
set r_gamma "1" //default 1
set g_fov "110" //Field of View, default 90
set r_finish "0" //0 is faster
set r_ignoreGLErrors "1" //keep at 1
set r_useOptimizedShadows "1" //faster shadows
set r_useTurboShadow "1" //faster shadows
set r_useStateCaching "1" //1 is faster
set r_alphaToCoverage "1" //unknown
set r_useDepthBoundsTest "1" //NVIDIA CARDS ONLY 1 is faster
set image_downSizeSpecular "1" //enables Specular downsizing setting
set image_downSizeBump "1" //enables Bump mapping downsizing setting
set image_downSize "1" //use to enable image downsizing setting
set image_downSizeSpecularLimit "256" //set same as graphics memory for optimal
set image_downSizeBumpLimit "1024" //1024 for 256mb gfx. 512 for 128mb gfx. 256 for 64mb gfx lower is faster
set image_downSizeLimit "256" //set same as graphics memory for optimal
set image_lodbias "-1" //appears broken somewhere, use -1
set g_decals "0" //bullet holes on walls and other effects etc, on/off
set g_muzzleFlash "0" //default 1
set g_brassTime "0" //ejecting spent ammo, 0-1, 1 default
set g_projectileLights "0" //remove lights from projectiles, 0 is faster
set g_skipItemShadowsMP "1" //remove item shadows - MP only, default 0
set g_skipPlayerShadowsMP "1" //remove player shadows - MP only, default 0
set g_showPlayerShadow "0" //player shadows on/off, default 1



oh and it shouldn't be long before I have my mitts on F.E.A.R

Telgere

6900 with off drivers.
What do you expect chump with a 2.8 and 6800 ultra.

The 7800 handles f.e.a.r at around average 85 fps (gfx high, pc custom),
(min was 40 and max was 200).
Havn't got to do any tweaking yet or mess around with drivers.

chump

Haven't a clue... I don't think i have it in my download limit to get 3dmark 2005 this month! I've been downloading 2-3gigs at a time, so I'm going to have to wait (next month maybe)

All in all it's proven to be a good all round system for 950euro, the speakers whoop aswell! And the monitor is impressive...

Telgere

chump, I wouldn’t be too disappointed at your fear fps scores, seemingly it is one of the most gfx demanding games to be released ever if not the most demanding one. This pc is one of the best deals I have seen for any pc bargain.

CyberGhost

I can't find this system anymore, does anyone have a link please?

unkel

Decent machine for the money. If you're not into overclocking and don't mind the limited upgrade potential, don't want to or can't build one yourself, for sure consider buying one. Modern Dells are amazingly quiet as well

commited wrote:

Cubix - If they're motherboard are non standard, the most you'd have to change would be the case & psu to fit a new one

Yes. Case+PSU+mobo would easily hit €200 though and we're still talking crap. The other components would prevent any overclocking whatsoever, which is fine if you're not into it

My €0.02 advice: if you buy a Dell, don't even think about O/C at all

commited wrote:

I doubt that'd be the case

Doubt no more! Dell dimension mobo and psu are non standard these days. Period.

commited

As said several times, its over now

commited

unkel wrote:

Decent machine for the money. If you're not into overclocking and don't mind the limited upgrade potential, don't want to or can't build one yourself, for sure consider buying one. Modern Dells are amazingly quiet as well
Yes. Case+PSU+mobo would easily hit €200 though and we're still talking crap. The other components would prevent any overclocking whatsoever, which is fine if you're not into it

I posted it because it is a genuine bargain, not on the grounds to overclock :S
The €500 less it costed then building it yourself would easily pay for a nice mobo/case/psu/HSF.
As for the other components, the ram may not be the most amazing, nor will the graphics card, but the cpu will be just as overclockable as any other 820.

Doubt no more! Dell dimension mobo and psu are non standard these days. Period.

Is the case? You'd want to upgrade the psu anyway if you were even thinking of oc'ing. I know optiplex's are totally custom, but all the dimension cases ive seen were ATX.

TempestSabre

unkel wrote:

...Doubt no more! Dell dimension mobo and psu are non standard these days. Period.

Depends on the model. I've a Dimension 4600 not even a year old that takes a standard PSU. I've built and OC many of my own systems over the years. However the last time, I bought a Dell from the Outlet because it was so cheap, its practically disposable. I couldn't have bought the parts cheaper.

unkel

commited wrote:

The €500 less it costed then building it yourself

Many times in the last good few years have I specced up machines based on parts to be bought from on-line shops against fully assembled Dell systems. Most of the time I beat Dell. The worst I ever did was only just matching the Dell price. But (and a big but) I never included the price of an OS or the value of the Dell warranty

Needless to say in the cases where I only matched the Dell price, those Dell systems were very good value for money, for the market they are intended for

commited wrote:

Is the case? You'd want to upgrade the psu anyway if you were even thinking of oc'ing. I know optiplex's are totally custom, but all the dimension cases ive seen were ATX.

Not too sure, the case might very well be ATX compatible

Anyway, I think we agree. Some Dells in some configurations* represent very good value for money

* And then there is the Dell outlet as well

unkel

TempestSabre wrote:

Depends on the model. I've a Dimension 4600 not even a year old that takes a standard PSU. I've built and OC many of my own systems over the years. However the last time, I bought a Dell from the Outlet because it was so cheap, its practically disposable. I couldn't have bought the parts cheaper.

Crossed posts with ya there, TS

maidhc

unkel wrote:

Doubt no more! Dell dimension mobo and psu are non standard these days. Period.

PSUs are standard on some. It definately is on the Dimension 4600. It isnt on the 8250, 8300 (Dont know about the new models). Anyhow for 99% of people this is only an issue if the PSU fails outside of warranty (And when it happens it a big issue if you can only order a replacment from Dell).

It is great bargain. I'd have bought it if I (even half) needed a new computer.

commited

unkel wrote:

Many times in the last good few years have I specced up machines based on parts to be bought from on-line shops against fully assembled Dell systems. Most of the time I beat Dell. The worst I ever did was only just matching the Dell price. But (and a big but) I never included the price of an OS or the value of the Dell warranty

Needless to say in the cases where I only matched the Dell price, those Dell systems were very good value for money, for the market they are intended for

I've been in the same position, having built about 50 systems for family and friends. However, if you venture to another post on this thread you will see a komplett spec'd similar machine which came to over €500 more + del. I'm merely stating fact here - it was an excellent deal. Every single person who mentions to me that they are buying a dell, I try to discourage them because mostly they are overpriced. This one was not however, and if you'd stopped to look at the spec and not just seen the word "Dell" you'd have realised it too

Dell have finally started to cut their profit margins on the base systems I think (just dont try and upgrade ), and the savings are becoming less and less.

I've never ever bought a retail PC, but this one really made me stop and consider it. If I hadnt just bought a laptop I probably would have I'm happy a few people could avail of it

Not too sure, the case might very well be ATX compatible

Anyway, I think we agree. Some Dells in some configurations* represent very good value for money

* And then there is the Dell outlet as well

Yup - but the dell outlet doesnt really offer many bargains anymore unfortunately

maidhc

commited wrote:

I've been in the same position, having built about 50 systems for family and friends. (

I always recommend Dell systems. Its easier, and people are just as thankful. They might save a few hundred but you are to blame if it breaks.

I'm in the same position as Tempest. Got a 4600 for about the price a the hard drive and memory would cost on komplett from the Outlet. It is 12 mths old now, and still runs perfect. The outlet is gone to the dogs alright though.

okidoki987

Is there any point in trying the outlet anymore?
People seem to think the "bargains" are finished there?

unkel

commited wrote:

if you venture to another post on this thread you will see a komplett spec'd similar machine which came to over €500 more + del. I'm merely stating fact here - it was an excellent deal

Just gone over the spec in a bit more detail, and yes, you're right. Buying the parts for that PC would be at least several hundred € more than the Dell price and then I'm still disregarding OS, warranty and I didn't even bother pricing keyboard, mouse, speakers, modem or shipping for that matter

That was a bargain!

CyberGhost

commited wrote:

As said several times, its over now

Sorry, wasn't paying attention