Liam Lawlor

Niall123 · 22-10-2005 12:57pm #1

Its all over newstalk talk that he was killed in a car crash, not on rte or any thing else. Anyone know if its true? Terrible if it is.

snickerpuss · 22-10-2005 2:00pm

On Rte.ie they have that an irish citizen was killed but they haven't named them.
Its not confirmed news yet.

EDIT: Okay now it names him.

ciarsd · 22-10-2005 8:00pm

he was tragically killed after the car in which he was a front seat passenger smashed into a telegraph pole/street light or something to that effect. local driving him in a Mercedes from the airport at 1am approx. local time (Moscow, Russia)

RIP.

Niall123 · 22-10-2005 8:08pm

Yeah gathered that from all the news. Came across few people today slagging him and mocking him etc. I don't think thats right, he had a family.

Hagar · 22-10-2005 8:11pm

I can catergorically state I never ran into any lamp-post.
I was never there.
I deny I ever even saw a lamp-post...

ciarsd · 22-10-2005 8:16pm

Niall123 wrote:

Yeah gathered that from all the news. Came across few people today slagging him and mocking him etc. I don't think thats right, he had a family.

could not agree more Niall. one of my sister in laws brothers is related through marriage. they got the call early this morning from the Irish embassy. he died alone and in a foreign country, thats a very tough thing to take as a family in mourning.

MrJoeSoap · 23-10-2005 12:09am

Niall123 wrote:

Yeah gathered that from all the news. Came across few people today slagging him and mocking him etc. I don't think thats right, he had a family.

Allegedly (Sunday Independent) he also had a teenage Ukranian prostitute in the back of his car. Not showing too much respect for his own family there if that is the case.

ApeXaviour · 23-10-2005 12:13am

Yeah, drove past his house there about 4pm today (well yesterday) on tandy's lane in lucan, do it regularly to avoid traffic, he lives up the road from me. Had just heard it on the radio and there were photographers with telephoto lenses outside the gate. But they looked chagrined as behind the gate there was a jeep parked sideways on the other side blocking view of the house.

Most of my friends used to work for him when they were kids too, doing flyers and stuff. Having to live with the consequences of his corruption I must admit I'll not miss him. Nor will I be at the funeral..

Ah I remember during the tribunals the midnight bonfire he had in his back garden, hmm I wonder what's that you could be burning mr. lawlor?

Wicklaman · 23-10-2005 10:04am

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Allegedly (Sunday Independent) he also had a teenage Ukranian prostitute in the back of his car. Not showing too much respect for his own family there if that is the case.

Lawlor died in the sleazy world in which he thrived. He obviously has no respect for his own family who must have been aware of how he made his living.

The hypocrisy of politicians 'paying tribute' to this shyster is unbelieveable.

Lawlor is no loss.

Niall123 · 23-10-2005 11:32am

I hate people who don't know what the hell they're are talkin about. What party did you vote for? Well, have a good think about it nearly every single one has some form of corruption?

He has helped my family in the past, more than once. His door was always open. He wasn't a bad person!

"Better off dead?" thats just sick. I hope someone you care about doesn't die like that.

MrJoeSoap · 23-10-2005 12:30pm

Niall123 wrote:

He has helped my family in the past, more than once. His door was always open. He wasn't a bad person!

Might have something to do with the fact that you live in his constituency, therefore are part of the population that help to get him elected...

He WAS a bad person.

Niall123 · 23-10-2005 12:37pm

MrJoeSoap wrote:

He WAS a bad person.

What has he done to you personally?

MrJoeSoap · 23-10-2005 12:52pm

Golden rule of message boards I know, but what has Hitler done to me personally?

As a democratically-elected member of the Irish government, Liam Lawlor, was there to serve the Irish people. As an Irish person, he was there to serve me. He repeatedly abused his position of power for personal financial gain. He refused to comply with a tribunal attempting to uncover planning irregularities and is at least partly responsible for the planning mess that is Dublin 15, which happens to be where I live.

ApeXaviour · 23-10-2005 12:55pm

SayItLikeItIs wrote:

I propose you do go to his funeral. To disrupt it.

Well that's not on at all. You sound like those godhatesfags people who picketed matthew shephards funeral (the guy who got tied to the back of a pickup and driven around till he died because he was gay).
I don't like the man, but I didn't wish death on him and I have the common decency to give his family some respect at least.

What has he done to you personally?

Apart from betray our trust, corrupt our area and basically steal from us (indirectly)? I take all of this quite personally. An out and out weasel and thief of the highest order.

MrJoeSoap · 23-10-2005 12:57pm

ApeXaviour wrote:

Well that's not on at all.

I agree, I wouldn't recommend disturbing the funeral of anyone.

Wicklaman · 23-10-2005 1:27pm

Niall123 wrote:

His door was always open. He wasn't a bad person!

He used ordinary people to get him elected to a position where he abused the trust placed in him. There is no doubt he was corrupt. He acted as if he was above the law of this country.

He was a bad bast**d of the first order and it was most appropriate that he drew his last breath in the squalid environment in which he thrived.

The country will be better off without him.

Niall123 · 23-10-2005 7:05pm

Alright so you're entitled own opinion but everyone seems to make it out that the man done nothing good and spent his life trying to inflict pain on others.

I'm not gonna hate someone because of what they've done to others (maybe lose some of my respect).

He has helped people within and outside my constituency. And so what if he has the whole idea of helping people for their support are how elections work.

ApeXaviour · 23-10-2005 7:57pm

Niall123 wrote:

And so what if he has the whole idea of helping people for their support are how elections work.

I hope that's not how I think you mean it.. Helping "business associates" in the way he was accused and evaded is not how elections work.

Niall123 · 23-10-2005 8:31pm

You know what I mean.

So, what you're sayin is that because of what he done he deserved death, alone in a foreign country without his wife and kids and then for people to gloat over him and mock him?

ApeXaviour · 23-10-2005 9:28pm

Niall123 wrote:

So, what you're sayin is that because of what he done he deserved death, alone in a foreign country without his wife and kids and then for people to gloat over him and mock him?

If you read what I wrote you'll note that I said quite the opposite. But because he's dead does not suddenly make him any better a person.
I read his quasi-obituary in the sunday tribune today. I was interested in how they'd put him across. To their credit they were respectful, factual and they didn't try paint him as something he wasn't. The subtitle read "Controversial, colourful and ultimately corrupt"

Wicklaman · 23-10-2005 10:14pm

Niall123 wrote:

...He has helped people within and outside my constituency....

Yea, mainly himself!

seamus · 23-10-2005 10:25pm

On topic with the forum, I'm pretty disgusted with the way many media handled this, though not surprised by most the rags.

Regardless of what the man did, there is no call for spitting on his dead body (metaphorically), by making up "facts" and reporting personal opinion. Just because the media can't be sued for defaming a dead man's name, doesn't exonerate their obligation to report without biase.

grumpytrousers · 25-10-2005 10:27am

seamus wrote:

On topic with the forum, I'm pretty disgusted with the way many media handled this, though not surprised by most the rags.

Regardless of what the man did, there is no call for spitting on his dead body (metaphorically), by making up "facts" and reporting personal opinion. Just because the media can't be sued for defaming a dead man's name, doesn't exonerate their obligation to report without biase.

Political elegies and euphamisms 101

Colourful -> A Chancer
Larger than Life -> An Awful Chancer
Controversial -> Got Caught...

gutter · 25-10-2005 12:27pm

New blog starts with Liam Lawlor coverage. www.gutterpress.blogspot.com

MrJoeSoap · 25-10-2005 7:07pm

gutter wrote:

New blog starts with Liam Lawlor coverage. www.gutterpress.blogspot.com

Very good. Although its Glenda Gilson.

gutter · 26-10-2005 7:00am

So it is. I obviously don't pay her as much attention as I should...

RainyDay · 26-10-2005 10:18am

Wicklaman wrote:

Lawlor died in the sleazy world in which he thrived. He obviously has no respect for his own family who must have been aware of how he made his living.

The hypocrisy of politicians 'paying tribute' to this shyster is unbelieveable.

Lawlor is no loss.

This might be the right time to withdraw your sleazy comments & apologise to his family, Wicklaman.

Wicklaman · 27-10-2005 1:32pm

RainyDay wrote:

This might be the right time to withdraw your sleazy comments & apologise to his family, Wicklaman.

Sorry, have I missed something??? We may be talking about different people. The Liam Lawlor I am referring to is the one who spent his life in an environment of bribery, corruption, tax evasion and, oh I nearly forgot, the odd prison sentence. Sounds like sleaze to me!

Maybe you are talking about the Liam Lawlor who was a successful businessman, respected politcian and pillar of society. Sorry, never heard of him!!!

RainyDay · 27-10-2005 2:46pm

Apologies - I assumed your 'sleaze' comments were referring to the prostitute/sex club allegations. I withdraw my comment.

The real sleazebags are the guys at the Daily Star (which is of course part of the Independent group) who printed a photo of the scarred face of Lawlor's interpreter today, having tracked her down to her apartment in Prague. Such nice people, aren't they?

Niall123 · 28-10-2005 3:55pm

Wicklaman wrote:

Sorry, have I missed something??? We may be talking about different people. The Liam Lawlor I am referring to is the one who spent his life in an environment of bribery, corruption, tax evasion and, oh I nearly forgot, the odd prison sentence. Sounds like sleaze to me!

Maybe you are talking about the Liam Lawlor who was a successful businessman, respected politcian and pillar of society. Sorry, never heard of him!!!

Okay so the man done some bad things. But it's really rich to say that he was pure sleaze. So you have never done anything bad?

He did do good things. He was a family man. Just because he may have done corrupt things in the past, it was all over money. It would be different if physically tried to harm people.

If he didn't help you well fine but to proclaim "Sleaze!" when the man left his wife and kids like that is a bit cold hearted.

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-10-2005 7:19pm

The man was the definition of sleaze. The newspapers are bad but they have not committed criminal offences so they are not worse than Lawlor.

ratboy · 28-10-2005 7:20pm

critisicm of his personal life should be not be intertwined with critisicm of his public life.

RainyDay · 28-10-2005 8:37pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

newspapers are bad but they have not committed criminal offences so they are not worse than Lawlor.

Please confirm what criminal offences Lawlor committed?

OfflerCrocGod · 30-10-2005 2:44pm

RainyDay wrote:

Please confirm what criminal offences Lawlor committed?

What was he doing in prison? Having a holiday?

RainyDay · 30-10-2005 9:13pm

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

What was he doing in prison? Having a holiday?

He was sent to prison for contempt of court, which is not a criminal offence. He has never been convicted of a criminal offence.

But let's not let mere facts stand in the way of a good story eh?

ApeXaviour · 31-10-2005 12:50am

RainyDay wrote:

He was sent to prison for contempt of court, which is not a criminal offence. He has never been convicted of a criminal offence.

I saw those midnight fires he had in his backgarden during the beginning of the tribunals. Don't tell me he wasn't a crook. I'm dissappointed he's dead as I would have rather seen him get his just deserves.. Proper justice, none of this unfortunate accident stuff

RainyDay · 31-10-2005 8:26am

ApeXaviour wrote:

I saw those midnight fires he had in his backgarden during the beginning of the tribunals. Don't tell me he wasn't a crook. I'm dissappointed he's dead as I would have rather seen him get his just deserves.. Proper justice, none of this unfortunate accident stuff

So 'proper justice' doesn't involve a trial in a public court, as opposed to somebody being judged guilty by bulletin board posters - No?

I'm no fan of Liam, but the fact remains - he was never convicted of any criminal offence.

gutter · 04-11-2005 1:54pm

www.gutterpress.blogspot.com

Liam Lawlor

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