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Mogwa

Hallo!
Ich hoffe am nachsten jahr nach Deutschalnd zufahren.Weil mochte ich mein deutsch verbessern.Ich hoffe deutsch auf der Uni studieren.So ich weiss dass gibt es viel Arbeitslosigkeit in Deutschalnd,aber kannst die leute hier mich helfen.

Lol ok if that made no sense what so ever!Im in 6th year i want to do arts in UCC and eventually become a german teacher!So im planning on spending a month or two in germany or austria to improve my german.Also if someone wouldnt mind correcting my german above im soooo **** sometimes its unbelievable!Thanks ppl.
Ich liebe Deutsch!

Clontar

Mogwa wrote:

Hallo!
Ich hoffe am nachsten jahr nach Deutschalnd zufahren.Weil mochte ich mein deutsch verbessern.Ich hoffe deutsch auf der Uni studieren.So ich weiss dass gibt es viel Arbeitslosigkeit in Deutschalnd,aber kannst die leute hier mich helfen.

Lol ok if that made no sense what so ever!Im in 6th year i want to do arts in UCC and eventually become a german teacher!So im planning on spending a month or two in germany or austria to improve my german.Also if someone wouldnt mind correcting my german above im soooo **** sometimes its unbelievable!Thanks ppl.
Ich liebe Deutsch!

Hallo!
Ich hoffe, nächstes Jahr nach Deutschland zu fahren.Weil ich möchte mein Deutsch verbessern.Ich hoffe Deutsch an der Uni zu studieren.So, ich weiss daß es viel Arbeitslosigkeit in Deutschland gibt, aber können die Leute hier mir helfen.


I just tried to correct your text. If you want the same text with a good grammar as well, drop me a line and i'll see what I can do. If you want to improve your language skill, stay in a big city like Munich or Berlin and go for a job in a restaurant/bar/pub. I guess this should be the easiest way to learn the language (and you'll get some money as well). About the current rate of unemployment in Germany: in my hometown, the rate is around 33%, so that was one of the reasons to come over to Irleand. So now I have a job here (still related to my german origin as I'm currently a QA tester for translated games) and I'm planning to stay here for several years. And btw. please correct my English because it's not perfect.

Cheers,
Clontar

Frisian

I just tried to correct your text. If you want the same text with a good grammar as well, drop me a line and i'll see what I can do.

Warum haste es dann nicht gleich richtig übersetzt?
Und wenn schon eine bestimmte Stadt: Ich würde Hannover empfehlen, da dort bekanntlich das beste Deutsch gesprochen wird.
Ansonsten ist der Tip(p) mit der Gastronomie ganz brauchbar. Denn an der Kasse bei Lidl lernt man nicht viel deutsch, und wird außerdem noch schlechter bezahlt als hier in Rip off Ireland.
Viel Glück!

Clontar

Hmm, da stand nur, er möchte seinen Text korrigiert haben. Naja, hab ja jetzt Arbeitsschluss und werd mir zu Hause den Text nochmal vornehmen. Tja, was gibt es sonst noch für typische Studentenjobs? Bei fortgeschrittenen Sprachkenntnissen Callcenter vielleicht, glaubst ja gar net, wieviele Osteuropäer/Afrikaner bei meinem ersten Job hier im dt. Supportteam sassen (und ein gutes bis perfektes Deutsch drauf hatten).

Gruss aus Swords!

Clontar

mackerski

Frisian wrote:

Und wenn schon eine bestimmte Stadt: Ich würde Hannover empfehlen, da dort bekanntlich das beste Deutsch gesprochen wird.

Ich darf mich zwar als nicht-Deutscher zu diesem Thema nicht äußern, aber Deine Meinung kann ich überhaupt nicht verstehen. Man könnte genau so gut behaupten, dass man nur in Oxford versuchen soll, Englisch zu lernen. Klar, dass Hochdeutsch, aus diesem Gebiet stammt - aber den einen oder den anderen Dilalekt als "besser" zu bezeichnen finde ich ziemlich unfair und sogar gefährlich, gesellschaftlich gesehen.

Ich bin froh, in München die Sprache gelernt zu haben. Als Großstadt, hat München Einwohner aus jedem Eck Deutschlands und allen möglichen anderen Ländern. Man hört meistens Hochdeutsch, wenn auch mit einheimischen Akzent, und der ist alles anders als abstoßend. Aber wer in München die Sprache lernt, lernt auch, dass es Dialekt gibt, und hat Gelegenheit, das Ohr ein wenig "einzutrainieren". Ich kenne genug Leute, die nach Bayern (oder Schwaben, Baden usw.) gekommen sind, die nur Schuldeutsch konnten. Überaschung! Und genau muss es sein, wenn man in einem Gebiet lernt, wo jeder nur poliertes Hochdeutsch spricht. Früher oder später wirst Du die böse Realität entdecken.

Theoretischerweise kannst Du fast überall in Deutschland diesen Vorteil ausnutzen, eine Zweisprachige Deutschausbildung zu machen. München hat für mich eine Nützliche Platzierung - der Dialekt liegt manchen Österreichischen sehr nah, und man hat auch gelegenheit anderen zu hören, so wie Schwäbisch und Allgäuerisch.

Genau wie im Leben, wo die gesunde Menschen oft diejenigen sind, die ihre Abwehrkräfte aufgebaut haben, durch Kontakt mit Krankheiten, hat man es sprachlich einfacher, wenn man viele Sprachvarianten erlebt hat. Ich kenne so viele Deutsche, die hier im Land mit z.B. Cork oder Nordirischen Akzent gar nicht zurecht kommen, und das sind teilweise Leute, die 100% fließend Englisch können.

Da ich Hannover gar nicht kenne, werde ich den OP nicht von der Stadt abraten, oder behaupten dass München viel bessere Biere bzw. Humorvolleren Bürger habe. Das wäre unfair und unbegründet, drum mache ich es nicht. Schliesslich kenne ich Leute aus Hannover-Nähe, die ganz nett sind und in München glücklich gelebt haben.

Servus und pfiat's aich!
Dermot

Clontar

Okay, here is a proper german translation, hope this helps.


Ich habe vor, nächstes Jahr nach Deutschland zu fahren, um meine Deutschkenntnisse zu verbessern. Ich möchte Deutsch studieren. Mir ist bekannt, dass es eine hohe Arbeitlosenquote in Deutschland gibt, aber können mir trotzdem ein paar Leute hier helfen?

So, if you have any queries about Germany or german-related stuff, pls don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers,

Clontar

Mogwa

I was thinking about going to Muich,Frankfurt or Dusseldorf.And if you wouldnt mind giving me a few german phrases that are used in everyday speech that would be great,and even some ones that you wouldnt normally hear I want to impress my examiner!
I need to imrove my basic german,the tenses and adjectival ending etc..Any tips on a quick way to do that?I wish my teacher would speak more german and get us to us more too but we just take down paragraphs and are told to lean them!

Clontar

Hi,

a quick way to learn the tenses and/or endings? I doubt there is such a way. Just start working for a few days in a foreign country and your skill will increase.
About the phrases:

I don't know exactly what kind of phrases you want to know but here is one for breakfast,lunch or dinner.

"Mahlzeit" : is equal to the phrase: Enjoy your meal in english

Tiesto

i lived in germany for 15 months. I was in college for 12 months of my stay but at the same time i was working in an Irish pub.. If you want to learn German, DONT WORK in an english speaking organisation...
Especially irish pubs. Most of the time the actual germans in the pub speak better english than you do... well not really but...

Another very important point is where you go. I would advise you to go to north germany because in the south there are alot of different dialects..
I was near stuttgart and they spoke Swabian.... Really difficult to understand what they are saying..
oh here is a phrase for you..
I will spell it like you would pronounce it

so isch na ow wieder

mackerski

Tiesto wrote:

DONT WORK in an english speaking organisation...
Especially irish pubs.

Agreed

Tiesto wrote:

Another very important point is where you go. I would advise you to go to north germany because in the south there are alot of different dialects..

Not agreed. This is pretty much the same point I argued against in German further up. Firstly, there are dialects in all parts of Germany - and Hochdeutsch just happens to be a northern one. Secondly, because German has dialects in a way that English can only dream of, it is useful and important to gain exposure to them. I can't speak in support of Stuttgart (and I've never met anybody who was prepared to ), but in Munich, you'll mostly encounter Hochdeutsch, with accents from all over Germany, plus some amount of the local dialects. How much dialect you'll encounter will depend on where you hang out. More on a building site, less in a Solicitor's office...

Mastery of the English language doesn't mean being able to understand BBC English only - so I'm mystified why people would warn people off learning German in a setting where the student will gain a more versatile understanding of the language.

Dermot

esperanza

Mogwa wrote:

I was thinking about going to Muich,Frankfurt or Dusseldorf.And if you wouldnt mind giving me a few german phrases that are used in everyday speech that would be great,and even some ones that you wouldnt normally hear I want to impress my examiner!
I need to imrove my basic german,the tenses and adjectival ending etc..Any tips on a quick way to do that?I wish my teacher would speak more german and get us to us more too but we just take down paragraphs and are told to lean them!

Hi Mogwa,

Munich, Frankfurt and Düsseldorf are all quite expensive cities to live in.
Do you have any penpals in Germany? If not, try to find some, as having a contact in the country is always helpful...you'll need a place to crash before you find accommodation if your employer doesn't find something for you and if everything falls apart, you'll need a friend!

Have you thought about au-pairing?

If you want to bring your German up to a good level, try to enrol on a German course in Germany, especially if you want to improve your written German, which is essential if you want to study it in university and then teach it. Obviously speaking a language is necessary too, but writing it is even more important in my experience.

I'd advise you to do some research on the different cities and go to a city that you love. A city you should avoid is Hamburg, as it's crime rate is quite high, on the other hand Munich has the lowest crime rate and police presence is quite high.

Good luck with your search!

Mogwa

Tiesto could you tell me what that means first because i am usually the one who makes people say stupid things in german.
And Dermont thanks I agree its much better to get to know all the variations in the spoken language.
I now know I will not be going to Hamburg.Although I love children especially my nephew and niece would I get a job would parents not prefer a female au-pair?Thanks for the advice I intend to do a course over there but to fund it I need a job.
My aunt lived in Frankfurt for sometime but she has lost contact but is helping me as is my teacher,but i will find a german pen pal the more contacts the better i suppose.
Thanks people,and any phrases are useful and I mean any!

Noemi

Ich möchte mich ja nicht einfach so in diese Diskussion einklinken, aber offenbar gibt es hier einige Deutsche in diesem Forum. Mir ist auch aufgefallen das einige die Texte der Native Speaker korrigieren. Mir ist desweiteren aufgefallen das die Deutschen Native's sehr viel Dialekt mit hinein bringen, wie zum Beispiel: Du glaubst ja gar net... oder eben andere Dinge. Glaubt ihr wirklich es ist förderlich für diejenigen die tatsächlich daran interessiert sind Deutsch zu lernen, dann mit Dialekten und Akzent in der Schriftform konfrontiert zu werden? Ich denke sie haben so schon große Probleme damit zurecht zu kommen, da Deutsch nun mal nicht die einfachste Schriftform ist, da muss man nicht auch noch zusätzlich Verwirrung stiften.

Das soll kein Angriff sein, es ist nur eine kleine Anregung

mackerski

Ich muss hier zustimmen. Ich bin zwar selber relativ dialektfreudig, aber geschrieben macht IMHO Dialekt nur da Sinn, wo damit zu rechnen ist, dass die meisten Leser damit klar kommen. Einzelne zweckmäßige Wörter würde ich schon erlauben, aber das ziemlich vorsichtig.

Dermot

Clontar

Tja, da du als Zitat eine Äusserung von mir verwendet hast: Ich hab damit nur auf das Posting von Frisian reagiert, von dem ich annehme, dass er Native ist und somit meinen Dialekt versteht (wobei das eigentlich weniger Dialekt ist, mehr "unsauberes" Deutsch). Wenn ich mit meinem Beitrag eine Verwirrung unter den Deutsch-Lernenden hervorgerufen haben sollte, tut mir dies aufrichtig leid.


Cheers,
Clontar

Mogwa

Ok,I understood very little of that.Something bout how people can still understand dialects???.lolStill looking for phrases that one would use in conversation.

Tiesto

mackerski wrote:

Agreed



Not agreed. This is pretty much the same point I argued against in German further up. Firstly, there are dialects in all parts of Germany - and Hochdeutsch just happens to be a northern one. Secondly, because German has dialects in a way that English can only dream of, it is useful and important to gain exposure to them. I can't speak in support of Stuttgart (and I've never met anybody who was prepared to ), but in Munich, you'll mostly encounter Hochdeutsch, with accents from all over Germany, plus some amount of the local dialects. How much dialect you'll encounter will depend on where you hang out. More on a building site, less in a Solicitor's office...

Mastery of the English language doesn't mean being able to understand BBC English only - so I'm mystified why people would warn people off learning German in a setting where the student will gain a more versatile understanding of the language.

Dermot

First of all Hochdeutsch is not a dialect from the North.its not even a dialect.The German term Hochdeutsch is used loosely, but not by linguists, to mean standard written German as opposed to dialect.High German as used in Southern Germany, Bavaria and Austria was an important basis for the development of standard German. Its spoken all over germany but in many parts of the north.
The reason why people speak hochdeutch in Munich is becauase the people in Bavaria are much better educated than many other parts of germany especially BW.
Its a piece of advise that i was told continously in Germany.if i come back, go to the north..
whats the point in going to stuttgart or freiburg,learning the language their and not be able to understand people from the rest of germany.. Get your butt up north where they actually speak german and not some farmers dialect. Yeah their is dialects up north aswell but there not as difficult to learn as the ones in the south. Check out hannover.

mackerski

Tiesto wrote:

First of all Hochdeutsch is not a dialect from the North.its not even a dialect.

Of course it's a dialect. All flavours of language are. Some dialects get to become standardised forms, as hochdeutsch has. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with it, but a dialect it remains. The fact that "Dialekt" is umgangsprachlich used to refer to any-dialect-except-hochdeutsch doesn't alter the inherent fact of what a dialect is.

Tiesto wrote:

The reason why people speak hochdeutch in Munich is becauase the people in Bavaria are much better educated than many other parts of germany especially BW.

This is probably fair comment - Just as in the English-speaking world, speaking with a regional dialect is considered something that can restrict your options in life and many people in Germany go out of their way to discard theirs (or just avoid using it) in favour of hochdeutsch. And it's certainly a bad idea to learn just a regional German dialect (with the possible exception of Swiss), as to do so would be very limiting. However...

Tiesto wrote:

Its a piece of advise that i was told continously in Germany.if i come back, go to the north..
whats the point in going to stuttgart or freiburg,learning the language their and not be able to understand people from the rest of germany.. Get your butt up north where they actually speak german and not some farmers dialect. Yeah their is dialects up north aswell but there not as difficult to learn as the ones in the south. Check out hannover.

Oh, but you've let the side down on this one. Let me paraphrase it as some advice to prospective students of English:

Why would you want to learn English in Ireland, particularly outside Dublin, and not be able to understand people from civilised countries. Get your butt over to England where they speak English and not some bogtrotter's gibberish.

Remember, language is about communicating with people - and the German-speaking peoples include a sod of a lot of people whose language will surprise you if you insist on cocooning yourself from the real world while you learn - because, let's be honest here, you could have done that back at home. By all means go to North Germany if that's where you fancy. But don't do it as a way of running away from inconvenient liguistic diversity.

Dermot

Noemi

Originally Posted by Tiesto
The reason why people speak hochdeutch in Munich is becauase the people in Bavaria are much better educated than many other parts of germany especially BW.

I can tell, we've never learned any Hochdeutsch in school. Originally I'm from Mannheim. Just gotta hate the accent. I'd teached myself in Hochdeutsch, it worked for me, tho.:D

>>>Noemi<<<

peasant

ehhhmmm...

I would just like to point out, that speaking a dialect has got nothing to do whatsoever with the level of education.

As a matter of fact, a dialect (similar to the Irish language) is also a "carrier" of culture. Culture that is different and unique to an area or a group of people.

These days, where everything is uniform and "global" in a sense, it actually takes a certain amount of courage to stick with your dialect and speak and live it.

But on the same level as in Ireland everybody these days has to have this fake AAroadwatch/D4/"Midatlantic" accent to be "in", people in Germany (the younger the more so) forsake their dialects and go for Hochdeutsch. Except that it isn't real Hochdeutsch either, rather some form of Unispeak with lots of "trendy" and anglizised phrases thrown in.

mackerski

peasant wrote:

Except that it isn't real Hochdeutsch either, rather some form of Unispeak with lots of "trendy" and anglizised phrases thrown in.

Neudeutsch, dude. Total easy und ganz cool...

Dermot

peasant

mackerski wrote:

Neudeutsch, dude. Total easy und ganz cool...

Dermot

Yeah right ...and totally devoid of any real meaning and/or identity

oder auch auf Deutsch:

Sinnentleertes Geschwafel:D

Mogwa

Thanks for going off the point everyone!

Alessandra

Ich habe eine Job als kellnerin in eine Irische Kneipe hier ín Deutscland bekommen. Das wird schlecht für mein Deutsch aber toll um neue Leute kennenzulernen.

smoke.me.a.kipper

Tiesto wrote:

If you want to learn German, DONT WORK in an english speaking organisation...
Especially irish pubs. Most of the time the actual germans in the pub speak better english than you do... well not really but...

agreed. although it pays my bills.:) best thing to do is do a language course over here. im nowhere near fluent but it did help me to get the basics of language structure, grammer and vocab. im oping to do a more intensive one soon. also you'd be surprised how quickly basic sayings come to you when you first get here.

John C

I have been living in germany for several years. Thus I cannot fully recall my first years here. However..
I lived in a 10 000 inhabitant town where I had no english whatsoever. I purchased the local paper and watched the local news avidly. When I was not sure how to pronounce a word I asked the German family with whom I lived with for 7 years. Also I asked the colleagues at work for pronounciation. Later I went to evening classes 4 times a week.
One needs to push in sometimes to get to know the locals AND their language. It worked for me.

John C

k8_ireland

I have a job organised for the summer with a german engineering company in munich. I fly over there on June 4th. I have as of yet, no accomodation organised. Does anyone know if there are any student residences in the city? Do any universities rent out rooms or dorms.... I will not have time for viewing houses/apartments etc as I start work almost immediately.

Humpty

Tiesto wrote:

whats the point in going to stuttgart or freiburg,learning the language their and not be able to understand people from the rest of germany.. Get your butt up north where they actually speak german and not some farmers dialect.

Hi all,

I was just reading all this here and I can't decide whether to laugh or to cry ... but I'd like to suggest that you forget all about Hochdeutsch & high german ... if you are going to any part of Germany you'll be learning German. Depending on how quick you are with languages in general, how long you're over there etc you might pick up some sort of dialect. Regardless of what dialect this might be German people will understand you in general. Seriously!
I'm German myself and (due to my dad changing jobs a lot) I was living in most parts of the country ... the very east where I grew up, then in Goettingen & Hannover in the noth for years followed by a little town near Cologne and close enough to the Dutch border. People normally consider my German as being Hochdeutsch or whatever you want to call it, but I picked up hell of a lot of words that are used in certain areas of Germany ... and still it's not that I'm not understood. it's different sayings and single words that are still understood in the overall context.
If you go anywhere in Germany you learn the language and you'll be able to communicate ...
However, if you are worried about the German (dialect) you learn, watch the news on TV / listen to the radio - if you understand that you're grand (if not it might still be just the topic. It took me some time to understand news in English completely) ... try to meet different people - there is no German town at this stage that speaks only one specific dialect ...
And remember, you always have the advantage of being a non-native speaker and people are willing to help and explain ...

However, I must acknowledge that learning a language can be tough ...

I remember coming first to Ireland more then 10 years ago and I was lost with whatever school English I had ... I was a hopeless case with the dialect in County Clare ... talking was kinda fine, but understanding ?? Waitressing was terror ... four tables ... and (for me) four different languages :eek: : American English, Bristish English, Newzealand (why do these guys mix up e and i??) and whatever else was there trying to order a full fry, sunny upside down and a turkey sandwhich (Turkey? Is a country, no?)
It took me 3 weeks to dream in English and after merely 3 months English native speaker considered me a local in Clare ...
I went back to Germany studying English and my (German, British & American) lecturers gave me hell of a time trying to teach me how to speak "proper" English ... I pretty much told them f*** all and agreed to practise Oxford English (who the hell is speaking that anyway??) by the time all the other students with their generally accepted German accents are able to speak "proper" ... I'm still not speaking "proper" but I'm able to switch between my beloved Clare accent and Dub ...
So whatever standard people might want to set for you don't mind it too much. In the long term you are able to talk and understand the language ... I consider speaking some dialect as a bonus not a must and nothing to worry about.

Cheers!

PS: Just make sure you enjoy yourselves over there too ...

Humpty

k8_ireland wrote:

I have a job organised for the summer with a german engineering company in munich. I fly over there on June 4th. I have as of yet, no accomodation organised. Does anyone know if there are any student residences in the city? Do any universities rent out rooms or dorms.... I will not have time for viewing houses/apartments etc as I start work almost immediately.

Hi there,
I didn't want to get off topic but ...
Just a though on your accomodation problem. Would your new employer not be willing to assist to find at least something temporary?

H.

Blub2k4

Frisian wrote:

Ich würde Hannover empfehlen, da dort bekanntlich das beste Deutsch gesprochen wird.

Hannover ist ein drecksloch, bitte nicht dahin fahren!.

Aber wenn du das tun solltest dann gehe mal nach Odeon Str. zum Irisch pub, gruess mal Shane und Geraldine vom mir Vielleicht haben Sie dort auch Arbeit.

Eoin.

Blub2k4

Tiesto wrote:

First of all Hochdeutsch is not a dialect from the North.its not even a dialect.The German term Hochdeutsch is used loosely, but not by linguists, to mean standard written German as opposed to dialect.High German as used in Southern Germany, Bavaria and Austria was an important basis for the development of standard German. Its spoken all over germany but in many parts of the north.
The reason why people speak hochdeutch in Munich is becauase the people in Bavaria are much better educated than many other parts of germany especially BW.
Its a piece of advise that i was told continously in Germany.if i come back, go to the north..
whats the point in going to stuttgart or freiburg,learning the language their and not be able to understand people from the rest of germany.. Get your butt up north where they actually speak german and not some farmers dialect. Yeah their is dialects up north aswell but there not as difficult to learn as the ones in the south. Check out hannover.

So much of this is wrong I dont know where to start, but that the level of education has anything to do with the accent or dialekt is crazy crazy crazy stuff.