Caught?

Moto

Ok so i was on the wicklow dual carriageway yesterday. I was going over the limit, about 120kph instead of 100kph. Then in my rear view i saw a black nissan primera with nice flashing blue lights in the grill. So i thought fine, ive been caught here, i was doing wrong. So he comes flying up behind me, im in the slow lane, obviously have slowed down alot at this stage, so he passes me out in the fast lane and i look over and he points his finger at me as if to pull over.

Thats fine so over i pull into the hard shouldery bit but he moves back into the slow lane and speeds off. I was totally shocked he didnt pull me over properly but now im wondering can he still send me a fine/points etc. Its fair enough i know i was speeding and wrong but im just confused as to what can happen now. As far as i know without either a warning or a picture i wont be summons is this correct?

drdre

no they cannot send you a speeding fine. they should have pulled you over if they wanted to fine you. i was going 180-190 last week up to brittas bay. i hadnot been on that section of the road in ages but its so nice and open now.:D

Seth Brundle

Do some of the unmarked cars not take a recording and send off a notice to you?

Our man in Havana

drdre wrote:

no they cannot send you a speeding fine. they should have pulled you over if they wanted to fine you. i was going 180-190 last week up to brittas bay. i hadnot been on that section of the road in ages but its so nice and open now.:D

You sir need to be banned for your own and everyone elses safety. :mad:

ondafly

Bond-007 wrote:

You sir need to be banned for your own and everyone elses safety. :mad:

not the first time they have "boasted" about their skills.

see here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3492882&postcount=3

regarding the OP - yes the undercover cars have recording equipment builtin. Friend of mine was caught by an undercover volvo 2 years ago, and was shown footage of his stupidity....

Moto

Ah ok so i could easily get a summons in the post? Would it be a straight fine or would it have to be a court apperance if he didnt stop me?

brianmacd

He must have got pulled to do something more important

brianmacd

like catch people going excessive and dangerous speeds, such as 180-190

69 mustang

Did they have a uniform on?
If not they may have been detectives having a laugh.
Or someone with a new set of pace lights.
Either way your safe.
Guards have a sense of humor too.

ZENER

There is another possibility !

ZEN

Moto

I couldnt quite see if he was uniformed to be honest, i was so nervous and stuff by being pulled over i just saw him pointing and so pulled over! Is it true about the video evidence tho?

drdre

guys so sorry. i only speed when its safe to do so eg when i was coming back from brittas bay at around 11.30pm when no one was around.(bond 007) i do not promote careless driving so why should i be banned:D

69 mustang

Moto wrote:

Is it true about the video evidence tho?

I have mates in that line of work and never heard of it.
If they were for real they thought the shock to you was enough.

Bogger77

back to the old chesnut, your speedo was showing you at about 120, in reality, an accurate measurement will more likely be as much as 10% lower, so maybe you were only doing 110kph. Chances are he was only giving you a warning, it's happened to me and to friends where we were doing just over 5mph limit on our gps units, and cops have given slow down signal rather than pull over.

he may also have been seeing who was driving your car, maybe your car looked same as a local scumbags.

Who knows, but chances are you won't be getting a ticket. Now no more speeding a nice wide dual carraige ways, I mean everyone knows doing motorway speeds on a dual carriage designed for it, is much more dangerous than doing 100 on a windy narrow mountain road!

Moto

Yea well they definitly shocked me thats for sure!!! thanks for everyones advice anyway!

skibum

drdre wrote:

guys so sorry. i only speed when its safe to do so eg when i was coming back from brittas bay at around 11.30pm when no one was around.(bond 007) i do not promote careless driving so why should i be banned:D

Every day I read about some one who died driving when they thought it was safe, ie: late at night, very early in the morning when the roads are empty...it would never happen to them.....they knew what they were doing....

The road you were were on has to be one of the most dangerous in the country especially the section from jack white to the beehive. I drive fairly "briskly";) but I'm always amazed at the stupid and dangerous manovers that some g0bsh1tes make trying to get past me even though I'm going at a fair belt (not 190KPH)
Rant over:) , I'm tired, sick of all the head bangers that I had to deal with today, I'm going to bed, but I bet that unfortunately there will be another accident some where tonight.....

dahamsta

Now where did I leave my pipe? Is it in the pocket of my sensible cardigan?

AMurphy

Moto wrote:

.....I was totally shocked he didnt pull me over properly but now im wondering can he still send me a fine/points etc. Its fair enough i know i was speeding and wrong but im just confused as to what can happen now. ....

Assuming SJ's finest did that to me I'd say, "Thanks for the warning" and give a wave.
Had a motercycle cop give a long stare for the way I pulled out on the road from my driveway a few weeks back. kinda cut someone off and he was behind the person I cut off, so I did not immediately see him.

So, I'd inclined to say, relax and pay attention.

IrishRover

When you first saw him, what lane were you in? I'm not sure from reading your post if you changed lanes after having seen him.
Were there any other cars near you?
How far behind you was he when you first noticed him?

ciarsd

it WAS an undercover car, you WERE slightly over speed-limit taking speedo inaccuracy into account.

two outcomes, you got the sh!ts put up you or youve been recorded and expect a summons, you were not pulled as they had something more pressing to get to (being undercover).

speaking of which, I witnessed a chase on the N4 over the weekend. a car was pulled in by an 05 D black undercover mondeo, complete with alloys rear tints etc (looked like the ST model). would not give it a second glance only for the flashing strobes.

landser

drdre wrote:

guys so sorry. i only speed when its safe to do so eg when i was coming back from brittas bay at around 11.30pm when no one was around.(bond 007) i do not promote careless driving so why should i be banned:D

you don't promote careless driving??/ wtf??

for a start, what you're doing is dangerous driving and if caught you'd be banned.

hopefully, when you wrap your motor round a tree, there won't be anyone else around.

i feel like asking if you have a very small dick, but i won't bother

Hagar

Bogger77 wrote:

back to the old chesnut, your speedo was showing you at about 120, in reality, an accurate measurement will more likely be as much as 10% lower, so maybe you were only doing 110kph.

Why do people assume that inaccurate speedos over-estimate your speed?
Surely it's just as likely that they under-estimate your speed?

Big Nelly

drdre wrote:

no they cannot send you a speeding fine. they should have pulled you over if they wanted to fine you. i was going 180-190 last week up to brittas bay. i hadnot been on that section of the road in ages but its so nice and open now.:D

What are you driving???? I think we are hearing a few porkies here!! what age are you???? 10???? my car is faster than yours and I can break the sound barrier with it!!! grow up please before you kill yourself and after seeing so many people like you on the roads you will prob take 2-3 other people with you when your on the nice and open road!!!!

drdre wrote:

guys so sorry. i only speed when its safe to do so eg when i was coming back from brittas bay at around 11.30pm when no one was around.(bond 007) i do not promote careless driving so why should i be banned

Referance above where you said you hadnt been on that section of road in ages.....so how the bloody hell did you know if it was safe or not??? if I knew who you where I would ring the Garda and tell them exactly who you are!! sooner people like you are off the road the less people will get killed and so our insurance will start to come down!!

i feel like asking if you have a very small dick, but i won't bother

I had a few other things I would have liked to have said but you cant do peronal attacks on here so I bit my lip!!!

Hotblack Desiato

Hagar wrote:

Why do people assume that inaccurate speedos over-estimate your speed?
Surely it's just as likely that they under-estimate your speed?

No. To be legal, a speedo may over-read by up to (IIRC) 10%, but it is NOT allowed to under-read at all.

Hagar

Fair enough, that makes sense.

It raises a question in my mind though , if your speedo is overestimating the speed you are doing it must be overestimating the distance travelled in a given time. Does it follow that you are actually getting an over-estimated MPG reading?

Seth Brundle

a) speedos do not always over read. In reality you do not know the exact speed until you get it measured properly and believing that you are driving at the limit when your speeds says between 100 & 110kmph is a wrong assumption.
Also your speed can fluctuate depending on the entire suspension geometry, tyre tread, etc.
b) speed and distance are measured by different tools but on similar principles. However for example as your tyres wear down, they must complete more rotations to cover the same distance and therefore your mpg will be affected. However, I believe manufacturers are aware of this and aim for a happy medium.

Bogger77

ninja900 wrote:

No. To be legal, a speedo may over-read by up to (IIRC) 10%, but it is NOT allowed to under-read at all.

I've checked my speedo with other tools, and I know with its normal setup that 80mph on the speedo == 74mph real.

Moto

IrishRover wrote:

When you first saw him, what lane were you in? I'm not sure from reading your post if you changed lanes after having seen him.
Were there any other cars near you?
How far behind you was he when you first noticed him?

I was in the slow lane once i saw him. I had just overtaken a car in the overtaking lane and had been in the inside lane approx 10secs and then i saw him coming up on the fast lane and then he pulle din behind me. Im not sure but i could have overtaken him a few cars behind too.

the_syco

Say hello to the lamp post. And kiss it one last time, as it will be your last. You drive that fast, and if you hit a rock, or other object (sh|t happens), at 180kph, you won't be able to do anything, except crawl out of the ditch if your lucky.

Alun

the_syco wrote:

Say hello to the lamp post. And kiss it one last time, as it will be your last. You drive that fast, and if you hit a rock, or other object (sh|t happens), at 180kph, you won't be able to do anything, except crawl out of the ditch if your lucky.

What makes you think that if you hit something at 120 km/h you'd survive it too, especially in heavy traffic? There is no "magic" safe speed below which nothing can happen to you, except perhaps 0 km/h

Like a few others here, I've lived in Germany in the past, and have driven regularly at speeds of 180km/h and more. The biggest danger in my experience is not the speed itself, but the inattention of other road users around you. At certain times of the year, when there are lots of tourists on the road, especially the bl**dy Dutch with their bl**dy caravans, it can be suicidal to try and drive at those speeds, but at other times when it's mainly the locals on the road it's it's perfectly safe.

Hotblack Desiato

kbannon wrote:

a) speedos do not always over read. In reality you do not know the exact speed until you get it measured properly and believing that you are driving at the limit when your speeds says between 100 & 110kmph is a wrong assumption.

It's an assumption all right, but one which is almost always correct. Manufacturers err on the side of caution (over-reading). It also makes top speed, 0-60, and mpg appear slightly better to the driver than they really are.

Also your speed can fluctuate depending on the entire suspension geometry, tyre tread, etc.

Your speedo will over-read more as the tyres wear down but the manufacturers allow for this. It should still be within the 10% allowed with the tyres down to the legal tread limit.
Under-inflated tyres (few drivers ever seem to check them) will worsen this though, as well as reducing grip and creating the risk of a blowout...

What really throws a speedo off (unless it reads from a non-driven wheel, instead of from the transmission) is changing the final drive ratio - swapping the diff on a car or changing the number of teeth on the sprockets on a bike.

the_syco

Alun wrote:

I've lived in Germany in the past

Me looks @ Germany's insurance rate. Me looks at Ireland's insurance rate. I'd say there is a difference in the way the Germans are taught, such as @ night, etc, and Ireland? Esp the way it'd cost me about €400 in Germany for insurance, but about €2000 here?

Hotblack Desiato

Germans pay more to learn to drive. But we pay a far higher price in insurance, and in human life and limb. Yet, politicians are convinced they'll lose votes if they do anything about it, so it's all talk no action with successive Ministers for Transport.

Cullen just 'announced' an 'initiative' to privatise the test backlog - except this was originally annouced by Seamus Brennan about five years ago. I reckon we'll be waiting a long time yet. We've been waiting since 1991 for a new edition of the Rules of the Road.

Alun

ninja900 wrote:

What really throws a speedo off (unless it reads from a non-driven wheel, instead of from the transmission) is changing the final drive ratio - swapping the diff on a car or changing the number of teeth on the sprockets on a bike.

... or fitting the wrong tyre / wheel size combination.

ciarsd

to the OP, the camera at the SPA was getting an overhaul today by Mr.Garda in his white punto van. Either putting in/taking out camera or topping up film.

You've all been warned!!

dahamsta

ninja900 wrote:

politicians are convinced they'll lose votes if they do anything about it

Revenues perhaps (do they make much from in-sewer-ants?) but votes? I would have thought the opposite?

Hotblack Desiato

They're afraid of doing anything to provisional licence holders (e.g. enforcing the law on driving unaccompanied, removing the 2nd provisional loophole) because they've hundreds of thousands of votes.

Many "learners" are highly experienced and safe - they shouldn't have to wait more than a few weeks for a test. The dangerous / inexperienced ones should NOT be driving around on their own, simple as that. No other country would allow it.

The driving test is the only measure of competence/safety we have, it doesn't make sense to allow people to drive around for years on their own without passing it. But we're getting OT here...

Edit: Politicians (i.e. FF) are also afraid of doing anything much about drink-driving, for fear of upsetting the rural publicans lobby.

dahamsta

Thought you were talking about insurance tbh.

... we pay a far higher price in insurance ... Yet, politicians are convinced they'll lose votes if they do anything about it ...