graffitied staircase

mayordenis

staircase in paris took some shots there during the summer
i like them anyway

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/mayordenis/img046small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/mayordenis/img045small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/mayordenis/img044small.jpg

any comments of any sort would be appreciated.

smileygal

Hi,

i think the 2nd one is the best of the 3

Rhyme

Intimidating... first one sparks my attention the most though

Klimseven

It's not intimidating, you're just ignorant

Snowball

is the backgound painting also grafiti?? or is the grafiti just the tags?

But photo wise I like no1

Rhyme

Klimseven wrote:

It's not intimidating, you're just ignorant

*Cries*
:rolleyes:

Although the artwork behind the grafitti is quite nice

captain P

i like the first one, got em in colour by any chance?

mayordenis

lovin the replies thanks,
erm i wish i had colour when i got back from paris i realised i had used b&w when i took those was a bit sickened but think it works this way. wither way im stuck.

jellybean520

I think the B&W does work but because your subject matter no doubt contained such a diverse range of colour, it would have been nice to catch that, if only for curiosity sake!

captain P

mayordenis wrote:

lovin the replies thanks,
erm i wish i had colour when i got back from paris i realised i had used b&w when i took those was a bit sickened but think it works this way. wither way im stuck.

dont get me wrong i like the b&w i was just curious what it looked like in colour. i really like the pics though.

DadaKopf

The photos are fine, but they don't make much sense in black and white.

acquiescefc

Was in Paris at the weekend for gigs.

The amount of graffiti is unbelievable. Parked vans are covered in tags and every inch of Metro wall is plastered in stuff from over ten years of tagging.

I wonder do they not get peed off at the state of the place, I think it spoils a really nice city.

Klimseven

I think it makes a very beautiful, raw, spontaneous, real city

FX Meister

It's part of Paris, if it didn't have graffiti it wouldn't be the same. It's one of the things that makes the metro their that little bit more fun to ride.

Really like the 2nd one

RE*AC*TOR

re: the colour vs b&w debate.

perhaps if you are an afficionado of graffiti / tagging etc then colour would have been interesting - but from the point of view of art / photography b&w is beautiful and appropriate.

i would agree somewhat with ryhme that they are intimidating. They are dark, urban - and also there is something about descending down the staircase - and you can only see so far.

I like em. No 1 is probably my favourite.

Klimseven

They are dark, urban

They're 'urban'? What is that supposed to mean? That they're in a city? If that's intimidating then you really must freak out on a regular basis.

JackKelly

ooookay

FX Meister

I don't think it's because it's graffiti that it looks bad in black and white Reactor. I just don't think the exposure or contrasts are that good. I'd have to say it's seems rather inviting. The tree branches on the right of the frame suggests to me that you should leave you jacket and hat here as you descend down to a really warm and cosy jass club. If you look hard enough you can just about see the notes floating up the stairwell.

RE*AC*TOR

Klimseven wrote:

They're 'urban'? What is that supposed to mean? That they're in a city? If that's intimidating then you really must freak out on a regular basis.

Perhaps i don't hang around the same slums you do? Two separate people have agreed it gives a certain sense of foreboding - perhaps it doesn't for you - it doesn't invalidate the other opinions. Learn to deal with it.

Maybe you consider graffiti to be a legitimate art form - maybe you fart about dart stations at night in your hoody. I don't care. To most people its vandalism... crime. So descending down a darkened staircase with evidence of lots of crime.... put 2 and 2 together...

As for what "urban" means - well I suppose I meant it relates to or is concerned with a city.

Klimseven

Graffiti is writing on walls. Being scared of writing on walls is totally irrational. It probably stems from the perception you have of 'the types of people' that do graffiti, which are probably also, irrational and wrong. Does a hoody scare you aswell? Fine, it doesn't bother me, I just find it fascinating how many people live their lives according to totally misinformed stereotypes and ignorant preconceptions. BOO!

Maccattack

Klim

Am i right in assuming you are a 'tagger'? Is this why you defend it so much?



Personnally I think graffiti in public places looks off. Tell you why.

Whichever way you cut it. It is defacing public property. PUBLIC taxes pay for the stuff. You DO NOT have a right to paint on it, no matter how much you may think you are improving it. It aint yours to paint. No one has asked you to. So as a responsible citizen you should respect that.

If a wall or staircase or whatever looks ugly, there are other ways to improve it than spray your name or some piece of 'art' on it.

Lets be honest. The vast majority of 'art' or 'bombing' whatever you want to call it is junk. They think they are missunderstood artists but they're not. They are not artists and we understand them very well. They are immature brats looking for attention they cant get else where.

They have adopted an Americanism that is as relevant here as break dancing. ie. not very.

Ive seen some shop fronts with murals done by these 'bombers'. I dont have a problem with that if the shop owner has asked them to do it. Fine, thats consential. If not, you have no right to do it. Not until you get planning permission to build a wall and pay for it yourself.

Otherwise its a lack of respect for the community.

Klimseven

God, you obviously know the graffiti community inside out. I mean, you know absolutely everything about 'taggers'. Your wisdom and depth of knowledge into this subject is unparalleled. You understand what makes a good handstyle, throwup, piece and production without the years and years of experience a decent graffiti writer must gain. You understand the motives of every single graffiti writer in the entire world without any research or even meeting a writer before. You, sir, are a genius. I thank you kind gentleman, I shall now quit this thing you have shown to be unconsential and therefore unworthy of any consideration whatsoever from any member of the public. Thanks once again, I shall now become an accountant.

mayordenis

My god klim just stop being so bloody defensive whatever way people percieve any form of art (im not gettin into the "is graffiti art?" debate) is up to that person if they find it intimidating then they find it intimidating it is not your place to tell them otherwise.
Now please stop posting your ****e in this thread.

Rhyme

Graffiti: "A drawing or inscription made on a wall or other surface, usually so as to be seen by the public. Often used in the plural."

Defacement...

Art...

Defacing a piece of public property with your name is something that i loathe, i see it all over Dublin and it really ruins the 'look' of parts of the city. Better to not do it or perhaps working on your skill and putting it to productive usage.

FX Meister

I hope you say the same thing to your local McDonalds manager. Get the chinks out too while you're at it.

Maccattack wrote:

They have adopted an Americanism that is as relevant here as break dancing. ie. not very.

Oblomov

Wow, there is some very strong emotions about graffitti, but the political, the humourous all have a place in todays society.

For some, the tagging is ego and with very little talent, for others it is just mindless scribble but it is a form of protest. You quote the Americanism, but NY rapid transit authorities painted their own underground carriages in an attempt to stop the graffitti but it only encouraged a new wave of artists. On top of the original, LOL

The danger, the street cred amongst the Graffitti community, it all adds to the attraction, the buzz, and the quiet acknowledgement from their peers. The shouts of using your talents for greater rewards, thet is one of the reasons for graf, being able to push the limits against society, not being part of the commercialised painting bunch, seeking new ways of expression and protest. Not displaying to the art groupies in a gallery but on the wall for everyone to see.

For the stencil artists, the spray can wizards, the taggers, the good ones that is, and then there is the international, the recognised and the famous, the pranksters,

Like it or hate it, it is part of today and as skills improve it will become more noticable.

Maccattack

FX Meister wrote:

I hope you say the same thing to your local McDonalds manager. Get the chinks out too while you're at it.

I wont even bother replying to bolder on the shoulders post. But This is something else.

Are you suggesting I'm racist? I referred to something as an Americanism. How on earth did you come up with this remark?

FX Meister

You said graffiti isn't relevant here. Why not? It's just as relevant as American food that we have adopted. Maybe I should have said soccer instead, soccer comes from the U.K. and isn't relevant here either I guess.