Football All Star Nominations...

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From hoganstand.com:

Unsurprisingly Tyrone dominate the All Star football nominations with 11 of the All-Ireland winning selection among the 45 in with a chance of gaining recognition at the end of November.

The champions took seven awards two years ago after landing their first Sam Maguire crown and they will be expected to come close to that figure again after a ten match run to glory. Sean Cavanagh, their only All Star last year, is going for a third successive award.

Despite only starting three games all year, Peter Canavan’s huge contribution to the Red Hands’ success sees him in line to win a sixth award.

Kerry and Armagh both have eight players nominated while Dublin come in next with six nominees. Cork and Laois both have three players up for awards while Galway and Derry have two players nominated.

Cavan and Monaghan each have one player in line for an award.

Only five from last year’s side are again nominated this year. They are Diarmuid Murphy, Michael McCarthy, Tomas O Se, Colm Cooper (all Kerry) and Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone)

The 2005 nominees are:

Goalkeeper - Paul Hearty (Armagh), Diarmuid Murphy (Kerry), James Reilly (Cavan).

Defenders - Ryan McMenamin, Philip Jordan, Conor Gormley, Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Andy Mallon, Aaron Kernan, Kieran McGeeney, Francie Bellew (Armagh), Michael McCarthy, Tomas O Se, Marc O Se, Aidan O’Mahony (Kerry), Anthony Lynch, Graham Canty (Cork), Aiden Fennelly (Laois), Stephen O’Shaughnessy, Paul Griffin (Dublin), Kevin McCloy (Derry).

Midfield - Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone), Paul McGrane (Armagh), Noel Garvan (Laois), Ciaran Whelan (Dublin), Darragh O Se (Kerry), Nicholas Murphy (Cork).

Forwards - Brian Dooher, Brian McGuigan, Owen Mulligan, Peter Canavan, Stephen O’Neill, Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Stephen McDonnell, Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Eoin Brosnan, Colm Cooper (Kerry), Alan Brogan, Bryan Cullen, Tomas Quinn (Dublin), Michael Meehan, Padraic Joyce (Galway), Ross Munnelly (Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Thomas Freeman (Monaghan).

Great to see James Reilly get a bit of recognition for his performances in the Championship this year. Looking at Hearty and Murphy, Reilly could well win the goalkeepers spot as I think he has been more consistant than the other two.

What do you think the team will be?

Waylander

Hearty, Mc Menamin, Canty, O Shaughnessy, Kernan, T O Se, Lynch, D O Se, Mc Grane, Dooher, Mulligan, Cullen, Cooper, Bradley, O Neill.

Some tough choices in there, but I think this is who I would probably run with.

cruiserweight

I would pick :

Murphy, Mc Menamin, McCarthy, Mallon, Kernan, T O Se, Lynch, D O Se, Mc Grane, Dooher, Mulligan, Munnelly, Cooper, McDonnell, O Neill.

But what the actual All-Stars will be is another matter! On the Sunday Game after the All-Ireland this is what the panel picked as their team of the championship!

Murphy, Mc Menamin, McCarthy, Mallon, T O Se, Gormley, Lynch, D O Se, Mc Grane, Dooher, McGuigan, Cavanagh, Cooper, Mulligan, O Neill.

Johnny_the_fox

...by leaving Bradley out - he might write a letter to the board :eek:

Lemlin

Great to see James Reilly get a bit of recognition for his performances in the Championship this year. Looking at Hearty and Murphy, Reilly could well win the goalkeepers spot as I think he has been more consistant than the other two.

Couldn't agree more. I remember the shouts of bias from Waylander, Blackbelt and the lads when I told them that Reilly was definitely in with a shot at an All-Star. Guess yas have been proved wrong lads. Didn't I tell yas he was a class act?

I'd love to see him get it but I'd imagine it'll go to Hearty. A nomination in his first season is a great plus point for him though. Pity Reilly didn't get the call up to the Aussie Rules squad that he deserved.

Waylander

Actually Lemlin it was you who shouted bias at blackbelt when he suggested Cluxton as an option. Fair dues to Reilly, I did not see much of him, but to get a nomination when you let that many goals in, Cavan must have a trruly woeful back line!

cournioni

I think the concession of four penalties in seven games really does say it all about Cavan's full back line. And in fairness, there isn't a keeper in the world that would have saved any of the goals scored against Reilly in the Championship this year.

Lemlin

Actually Lemlin it was you who shouted bias at blackbelt when he suggested Cluxton as an option. Fair dues to Reilly, I did not see much of him, but to get a nomination when you let that many goals in, Cavan must have a trruly woeful back line!

Yes, I did shout bias when he plumped for Cluxton and Sherlock because I, and it appears the All-Star award team, could see little reason why either should be even mentioned for a nomination.

I was then accussed of bias when I said Reilly because I am from Cavan. I gave just reason why Reilly should be nominated though and the awards panel selecting Reilly shows that my opinion was indeed an objective one, free of bias.

Feels good when you're proved right

Fair dues to Reilly, I did not see much of him, but to get a nomination when you let that many goals in, Cavan must have a trruly woeful back line!

Well it is hard on a backline when you're playing teams of the calibre of Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo. Sure stick us in there in Leinster and we'll see how our backline gets on!

cruiserweight

Okay ladies take it easy!

Everybody has a certain amount of bias when it comes to their own county and would like to see their players and teams do well! All of you have shown a certain amount of bias in the past, but nobody really to the point of being blinded by it into making stupid comments! So lets just accept each others flaws (e.g. Waylander being from Dublin, Lemlin being from Cavan), not everybody can be from Wexford like me and try to get on!

Oh and by the way for what it is worth on goalkeepers, I have not seen much of James Reilly but having seen the other 2 keepers in action more I would say he is 3rd choice for th All-Stars! Also I would put Cluxton 5th on the list this year after McConnell!

cournioni

cruiserweight wrote:

Oh and by the way for what it is worth on goalkeepers, I have not seen much of James Reilly but having seen the other 2 keepers in action more I would say he is 3rd choice for th All-Stars! Also I would put Cluxton 5th on the list this year after McConnell!

I assure you, if you saw more of James Reilly, you would have him number one on the team. He single handedly kept Cavan in the championship on 6 or 7 occasions, pardon the pun.

If you put Hearty or Murphy into the Cavan team they wouldn't come close to an all star.

Lemlin

the point of being blinded by it into making stupid comments!

I would see suggesting Jason Sherlock for an All-Star as just that. Especially at a time when he was being used as an impact sub who didn't even warrant a start.

I think you're forgetting the Sligo keeper, his name escapes me, who had a great season too. I'd have him in there ahead of even McConnell.

I don't think Reilly will get the award but just a nomination will do for now. He'll win it next year when Cavan have Sam!!!!

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Lemlin wrote:

I would see suggesting Jason Sherlock for an All-Star as just that. Especially at a time when he was being used as an impact sub who didn't even warrant a start.

While I don't agree with sherlock getting an all-star nomination, Waylander can make an arguement for it, as Sherlock did have impacts in the games where he came on! Peter Canavan was used as an impact sub for a lot of the year and he got an all-star nomination! What I was saying is that everybody has a bias towards their own team and sometimes can apply double standards! Obviously Lemlin you are biased towards Cavan, that is only natural!

Waylander

I never actually felt Sherlock or Cluxton should have been nominated, and I believe I said that several times during the course of the thread. I did however believe, that Blackbelt (who did put these names forward) was entitled to have his opinion, without other posters calling him stupid and ridiculing him for his opinion. I am just sick of the double standards Lemlin employs when a Dub says something, compared to when anyone else says something on this site!

Lemlin

While I don't agree with sherlock getting an all-star nomination, Waylander can make an arguement for it, as Sherlock did have impacts in the games where he came on! Peter Canavan was used as an impact sub for a lot of the year and he got an all-star nomination! What I was saying is that everybody has a bias towards their own team and sometimes can apply double standards! Obviously Lemlin you are biased towards Cavan, that is only natural!

Totally different scenarios. Canavan was being used as an impact sub because of age and injury. Sherlock was being used as an impact sub because he was hugely ineffective against Meath.

I am just sick of the double standards Lemlin employs when a Dub says something, compared to when anyone else says something on this site!

Hehe, I had no problem with him being a Dub. Just someone who's opinion was totally incorrect. If a Meath person came on here and said that Nigel Nestor should of been awarded an All-Star, I would of said exactly the same.

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Lemlin wrote:

Totally different scenarios. Canavan was being used as an impact sub because of age and injury. Sherlock was being used as an impact sub because he was hugely ineffective against Meath.

I know they are different scenarios! I am just making the point that someone could argue that point if they wanted to!

Lemlin wrote:

Just someone who's opinion was totally incorrect.

In your opinion! We are not talking about facts here, opinions are what we are discussing! Maybe you got a little confused

cournioni

To be honest, I found what blackbelt said about Sherlock and Cluxton deserving an All Star, just as laughable as a Cavan man saying that Jason Reilly deserved an All Star for his performances this year.

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PORNAPSTER wrote:

I assure you, if you saw more of James Reilly, you would have him number one on the team. He single handedly kept Cavan in the championship on 6 or 7 occasions, pardon the pun.

If you put Hearty or Murphy into the Cavan team they wouldn't come close to an all star.

Maybe, but unfortunately I only really saw him in the Mayo game this year and am going on what I have seen of the other 2! So instead I am looking at the stats, I know they don't always tell the full story!

	Games	Goals	Goals per game
Murphy	6	1	0.1667
Hearty	8	4	0.5
Reilly	7	7	1

I think they are correct, I am sure if they aren't I will be told! Going on that I would find it difficult to argue against Murphy! But I will try to see Reilly some more next year to see for myself

Lemlin

To be honest, I found what blackbelt said about Sherlock and Cluxton deserving an All Star, just as laughable as a Cavan man saying that Jason Reilly deserved an All Star for his performances this year.

Well he did score goals against Antrim and Meath so, on Blackbelt's mentality and other opinions expressed here, he certainly deserves All-Star recongition!!!

And of course I'm not being biased, I am from Cavan and Jason O'Reilly plays for them therefore I cannot be objective and I think that he is the best thing since sliced bread

cruiserweight

Lemlin wrote:

I think that he is the best thing since sliced bread

What position did he play?

cournioni

cruiserweight wrote:

Maybe, but unfortunately I only really saw him in the Mayo game this year and am going on what I have seen of the other 2! So instead I am looking at the stats, I know they don't always tell the full story!

	Games	Goals	Goals per game
Murphy	6	1	0.1667
Hearty	8	4	0.5
Reilly	7	7	1

I think they are correct, I am sure if they aren't I will be told! Going on that I would find it difficult to argue against Murphy! But I will try to see Reilly some more next year to see for myself

Those stats don't prove anything. You should have a attempts to saves ratio rather than games to goals. Murphy probably didn't have anything to do for those six games because of the strength of the defence in front of him.

I think I have posted Reilly's attempts to saves ratio somewhere I'll try to find it for you. It is an unbelievable ratio though. And from four penalties, Reilly saved two. That is very impressive also.

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PORNAPSTER wrote:

Those stats don't prove anything. You should have a attempts to saves ratio rather than games to goals. Murphy probably didn't have anything to do for those six games because of the strength of the defence in front of him.

I think I have posted Reilly's attempts to saves ratio somewhere I'll try to find it for you. It is an unbelievable ratio though. And from four penalties, Reilly saved two. That is very impressive also.

I stated before I put those stats up that they can't always be trusted! But I am saying looking at them and what I have seen of the 3 keepers this year that I would pick Murphy!

Anyway on another issue do people think Bradley should be in the team? I think I saw him in Waylander's team! While he is a good player I think he may be slightly over-rated! He didn't make the team last year after a great year, and didn't reach those heights this year, also he did not make the International Rules panel!

Also I just noted while people are debating who should or should not be in the team, only 2 people have posted the team that they would pick! It is very easy to be critical of other peoples selections and not put up your own!

Waylander

Couldn't agree more CW.

As regards Bradley, for me it was between him and Mc Donnell, and I felt I would have being being Mc Donnell for previous seasons performances, he has not been as impressive this season. Bradley scored pretty heavily, with a support around him that was a bit weaker then Armaghs, so I went for him on that basis.

Lemlin

Originally posted by Waylander
Also I just noted while people are debating who should or should not be in the team, only 2 people have posted the team that they would pick! It is very easy to be critical of other peoples selections and not put up your own!

I didn't notice anyone being critical of your or Waylander's selections. Think you're imagining something there. Pornapster and I were talking about James Reilly. Where have either of us criticised players you picked or your selections?

My point was that I was wrongfully accussed of bias when all I was doing was calling a spade, a spade. Now I have been proven right as Sherlock or Cluxton have not come near the nominations while Reilly has been nominated.

As regards the All-Stars, I'm surprised a few people didn't make it. I think the Sligo keeper should be in there, although I imagine the panel had a throw up between him and Reilly and decided on Reilly.

Barry Cahill of Dublin was also in with a shout IMO.

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Lemlin wrote:

I didn't notice anyone being critical of your or Waylander's selections. Think you're imagining something there. Pornapster and I were talking about James Reilly. Where have either of us criticised players you picked or your selections?

Nobody was critical! But what I am not imagining is that people are willing to debate selections while not posting up their own for discussion that is all!

Lemlin

Nobody was critical! But what I am not imagining is that people are willing to debate selections while not posting up their own for discussion that is all!

We were debating one position, that of goalkeeper. Don't see where you're getting your point from at all.

Btw, why say "Nobody was critical" when you had already said "It is very easy to be critical of other peoples selections and not put up your own". Bit of a backdown there IMO.

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Lemlin wrote:

We were debating one position, that of goalkeeper. Don't see where you're getting your point from at all.

Btw, why say "Nobody was critical" when you had already said "It is very easy to be critical of other peoples selections and not put up your own". Bit of a backdown there IMO.

Okay lets put this in context then there is no backdown! You Lemlin have been looking for an arguement since the start of this thread, and have been proclaiming yourself to be correct and everybody else wrong and attempting to annoy people!

Lemlin wrote:

Couldn't agree more. I remember the shouts of bias from Waylander, Blackbelt and the lads when I told them that Reilly was definitely in with a shot at an All-Star. Guess yas have been proved wrong lads.

Lemlin wrote:

Just someone who's opinion was totally incorrect.

Lemlin wrote:

Feels good when you're proved right

Lemlin wrote:

Well it is hard on a backline when you're playing teams of the calibre of Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo. Sure stick us in there in Leinster and we'll see how our backline gets on!

Pornapster has also argued Reilly's case but done it without trying to annoy people, and without saying I am right, I am right! No matter how many times you say it it doesn't necisarilly make you right! Anyway rant over back on topic! Does anybody else want to post up their selections? Or have anything constructive to say about anybody elses!

Lemlin

Nope, I was illustrating that you'd pulled a leftfield opinion out of nowhere. No-one has criticised any selection you made on your team. Or on Waylander's.

And yes, I was proved right by Reilly being nominated. There's no debating whether I was right or not.

As for selections, I wouldn't agree with Mulligan being picked. I think he became the media's poster boy after his goal against Dublin. Fact is that Tyrone played 10 games and he was anonymous for six of them.

Yes, it was great the way he came back and was Man of the Match in the final but there are other players who performed on a more consistent basis throughout the Summer.