God Bless America

Hobbes

From here.
http://forums.warcry.com/read.php?f=40&i=53640&loc=0&t=53640#53640

I am quoting it in case it gets nuked.

From: Tabac
ID: DH2u3vSSe2k
Date: Sep 11 2001 7:58PM
Subject: what i just wrote is a true story, everyone should read.

Ok, this is the most serious post i've ever made. This will also be probably the last serious post I make on COD, except the Addiction flames. This post does refer to the attacks this morning most likely by Muslim extremist terrorist groups.

I am indian, i am hindu, if you really want to see my pic.. members.aol.com/srigod69/prom.jpg

Everyone is all up in arms about this, and have strong prejudice towards middle eastern/Arabic/Muslim/Palestinian people. A country did not cause the attacks; they were caused by an intricate and sophisticated plan by extremely intelligent and dangerous terrorists.
Islam goes a lot deeper than a religion or faith; it is a pure belief that drives into ones soul. People die for beliefs; many Muslims are deeply religious, as are many Christians, Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists. The one thing about many Muslim governments and extremists is that they have a distorted, fanatical view towards their religion.
Anyone who practices religion knows that ANY religion would condemn such actions. But people who die for there beliefs are praised (Christian martyrs, Hindu Mahatmas) Muslims who die for the sake of Islam are guaranteed a place in heaven, so said Mohammed.
Jihad is long and confusing to explain. It is a “legal” way to spread Islam amongst nations, anyone who dies as a result of Jihad is considered:
- Al Kufaar (the Disbelievers)
- Rebels (from amongst the Muslims)
However, killing of innocents is NOT approved.
The Qu’ran clearly states:
"And if they incline towards peace then incline (you also) towards it."

You probably wonder right now what I said, or even ridicule me. Let me explain that I am not Muslim, I am a devout Hindu. I believe in my religion and I practice it daily. I am also an American, and I feel a sense of pain and anger and hatred towards the events of today. The insane rambling above is to “explain” the motives behind the attacks. Even though the US supports Israel in many issues regarding the west bank (who wouldn’t after the horrors of the holocaust) a major factor is religion.
Many of my college friends are Muslim, by the way my friends and I dress, walk, talk, and act you couldn’t tell us apart from white or black people. We act American like we were raised. However, the “ “prejudice” I have faced today by MANY ignorant fellow Americans deeply hurt me today.
I went to the local mall today with some friends (also Indian) around 3 pm EST. The first comment came as soon as we got in the parking lot, some teenage girl around 15-16 shouted “everyone run, we have terrorists!” I was shocked and appalled.
So I just assumed it was a one time thing and was like “!@#$%^&* it, she’s a dumb bitch” I walked in the mall and immediately got a strange look from a security guard who spoke into his little microphone thingy, I assume he requested back up because he was following us. We walked into some stores the security guard stood outside but watched us intently; a punk working in the store who usually greets people just blew us off. My friend who wanted to try on a pair of pants waited 20 minutes after he asked someone to open the fitting room, where as in the meantime the guy opened it for 2 other people.
As we were leaving the store, a few of my friends had purchased some clothes someone shouted, “I wonder how many bombs those sand !@#$%^&*s had to sell to buy all those clothes” I clenched my fists so I wouldn’t snap. On the way to another store at the other end of the mall I heard many comments, some discreet and others blatant…
- “Its people like you who ruin our country”
- “Was the attack because of gas prices?” (Where the !@#$%^&* this came from I don’t know)
- “Get out of our country”
- “Stupid Muslims, I’ll send you back to Mecca” (at this point a friend of mine got arrested for yelling “!@#$%^&* you trailer trash” and the officer did nothing to reprimand the white guy, we spent 45 minutes arguing with the officer.)
and the usual
- “sand !@#$%^&*” “!@#$%^&* you” and “get out of our country”
When we finally got to Saks, we quickly picked out some clothes etc. that we wanted. I paid for mine with my credit card and I was asked for ID (no big deal, I get asked a lot since I wrote ‘see ID’ on the back) they called an officer, the officer double checked and asked me to follow him, I went into the security office and they called the police…at this point I was like “wtf, im not over my limit” they said they weren’t sure if the ID was real. It was my !@#$%^&*ing drivers license. The police tell him that the license is valid or whatever and im allowed to go. However, on the way out, they requested to search us. We were like “uh no, we didn’t do anything.” This sparked another 40-minute argument. When we finally left, we were piling into my car, a 2001 Lexus LS 400 (loaned from my mom, who is a successful doctor) and a cop asked us to step away from the car, it was stolen. I snapped at this point, I started screaming at the officer about how it was MY car etc.
You know what he told me? “!@#$%^&* you kid, no kid your age can afford a car like this. Unless you deal drugs” my heart stopped. I refused to let him search my car and he called in for backup. 4 more officers came. I still refused to let them search, what the !@#$%^&* did I do? I then called my mom who gave me our lawyer’s number. I told him where I was and if he could come, he couldn’t but he would be there in about 2 hours. After about an hour they let us go.
its not over...
I was pulled over by a cop, from the suburb I live in. I was in my neighborhood to drop someone off; we live in a rich, white, suburban neighborhood. I thought I might have been speeding or ran the stop sign I never stop at. Nope, I was wrong. He had the audacity to tell me “where’d you get the car? What are you doing in this part of town?” I said, “I live in this part of town” he then said “Your kind can’t afford houses here, AND I don’t want to see you around here again.” Instead of getting out of my car and punching him, I politely asked him for my badge number, he wouldn’t give it to me and then quickly covered his name tag…but I wrote the license plate of the car and the exact time 6:30 pm. I then phoned my lawyer and told him of the harassment and he said he’d get right on it.

I was very deeply hurt by what happened to me today, my fellow Americans? They not only harassed me for the color of my skin, they also assumed I was Muslim. The ignorance and prejudice I faced today for merely being “darker” deeply disgusted me. i really feel ashamed to be an american.

DeVore

Thats. ****ed.

DeV.

adnans

****ing hell

adnans

DS

And for the icing on the cake, find this half way down the list of replies:

Good. I woulda pulled you out of your car and beat you.

Belisarius

Shocking , I mean the sheer ignorance of them , A post like that would under other circumstances have me in stitches ,but Events past hit home just how serious attitudes like that are , truly Shameful

GreenHell

Reminds me of seeing the Palestinians dancing to the news of the attack.

adnans

greenhell >> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31209

adnans

Hobbes

I'll see your URL and raise you -> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34346,00.html

Btw one of the cars in the faked video wasn't around the time they said it existed.

adnans

/me folds and orders a book

adnans

Manach

This seems similar to what happen to the Japanese-Americas post Pearl Harbour.

But try & remember this is a very difficult time for all Americans. The natural instinct after the WTC is to strike out at the perceived enemy.

What will be worrying is the longer term implications for their society.
http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,311335-412,00.shtml

Aspro

But try & remember this is a very difficult time for all Americans. The natural instinct after the WTC is to strike out at the perceived enemy.

Unfortunately this happens every day in America (and Ireland). Fuelled by propaganda and racist half-truths people lash out at who they perceive as the enemy. Racism is an ideology passed from the top down so that the people at the top can avoid the blame for the problems in society. The Evening Herald calls asylum seekers "scroungers" and "spongers" - and racist attacks take place in Dublin city centre while corrupt politicians get away with everything. Just look at the attitude that we're fed with by Sky News, CNN etc. People from third world countries who bomb are terrorists. When Bill Clinton bombed Sudan and Iraq to distract attention away from his todger he was "defending democracy"... No. They are both terrorists. Clinton, Bush et al just wear suits and have fancy offices.

Nellys Belly

I would like to point out at this point that if any of our so called "global leaders" were in fact leaders they would be asking the US to excersise a bit of restraint and not jumping the gun by stating we will stand shoulder to shoulder in the actions taken by the states knowing full well that no single person or country for that matter is responsable for the terrorist attack.

nesf

Americans have this peculear fragility to their social makeup. Now if a Muslim had saved the presidents life by taking a bullet for him (possible). Then that guy would have been very popular when he went out.


For anyone who's read/seen the play "Julius Caesar" by shakespeare, think of an enormous plebian society with alot of guns and big sticks.


Tbh I'm sickened by the general product of american society, occasionally someone like Hobbes turns up to show that there are some open-minded ppl left, but some of the acts carried out in New York directly after the WTC bombing, e.g. guys been pulled out of cabs and beaten and such, is truly a very bad sign for those of us who wish for peace.

Aspro

Originally posted by nesf

I'm sickened by the general product of american society, occasionally someone like Hobbes turns up to show that there are some open-minded ppl left, but some of the acts carried out in New York directly after the WTC bombing, e.g. guys been pulled out of cabs and beaten and such, is truly a very bad sign for those of us who wish for peace.

Look at Northern Ireland, nesf. The madness exists all over the world. The majority of ordinary people in the world just want to get on with their lives and have a decent standard of living. But people in a crisis situation get easily brainwashed by the propaganda of those who call themselves leaders - purporting to represent the ordinary people but really just looking after their own interests - George W. Bush, Tony Blair, David Trimble, Gerry Adams, Bertie Ahern, Musharraf, the Taliban etc. etc. It can be a real struggle for people to maintain an open mind when their bombarded with crap 24x7.

nesf

My point wasn't on the capacity for hatred, every human has it. I'm more refering to the size of the the effected populace, in N.I. it's concentrated into a relatively small number of ppl. While the US is a very large country, with the collective mind of an over possesive control freak on a power trip. No insult is intended to any individual americans.

bonkey

Originally posted by nesf
Tbh I'm sickened by the general product of american society, occasionally someone like Hobbes turns up to show that there are some open-minded ppl left, but some of the acts carried out in New York directly after the WTC bombing, e.g. guys been pulled out of cabs and beaten and such, is truly a very bad sign for those of us who wish for peace.

I think you're being grossly unfair here.

The vast majority of Americans have not reacted against the Muslim / Arab / middle-eastern residents of their country, and yet you dondemn the entire nation based.

These people are in a vast minority - just as the terrorists are in the middle-east.

jc

Kensai

Originally posted by bonkey


I think you're being grossly unfair here.

The vast majority of Americans have not reacted against the Muslim / Arab / middle-eastern residents of their country, and yet you dondemn the entire nation based.

These people are in a vast minority - just as the terrorists are in the middle-east.

jc

They may be a minority, but by no meas a vast one.

Wolf

All i can say is that these are the hate filled people that we are going to let loose on the Afgans. God have mercy on them all... both sides