yah gotta love journalists....

john kavanagh

Evening Herald, P.17 :rolleyes:

dlofnep

Can you give us the low down for those not privileged enough to get it?

breadmonkey

It's raining outside... no Herald for me

dlofnep

I'm guessing it's bad publicity for the upcoming rings show? Not sure.

Millionaire

just saw it. them news hacks would sell their grannies for a story.

I'd say that boy in the parents assoc would be great fun to have a few pints with.

dlofnep

What Does It Sayy??????

Silverfish

Bah have to go buy it now....


Probably the same old 'blah blah.....barbaric!!!....blah blah...animals!!...fighting!! blah'

and any muggings/ robberies / assaults that happened are probably relegated to page 19 if they're in it at all :rolleyes:

cmb.

jesus - its almost comical - a pohot of garbage wrestling (some bloke stapling money to another head - total confusion between pro wrestling and mma - refering to the event as the UFC

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dlofnep

Lol.

Somnus

lol, wtf

Dragan

I worry about these poor kids because there parents are obvious morons, and I worry about the state of any newspaper that runs a story that obviously had such little thought and research put into it. I wonder if the UFC knows it coming to Ireland.

You'd think that someone would be reporting that at last we have an Irish organised event taken place!!!

And as for the picture?? That taken from "Back Yard Wrestling" , which is a bunch of crazy american rejects trying to main each other thinking its fun. And please don't ask me how I know that!

Ph3n0m

Aye it completel miscommunicates what MMA is all about, and also what pro-wrestling is about (its not all staples etc)

But I would be more concerned about that visually, parents will now associate MMA with the idea of attempting to maim people using weapons.

I wonder if any of the leading MMA guys have rung up unison.ie yet and complained and demanded a retraction?

pearsquasher

I read the article and saw the picture and it would put me off bringing young adults to a ring-competition.

If it is bad journalism, then maybe you can explain why?

I can appreciate that participants in a combat sport are athletically skilled and any "violence" portrayed is contained within the rules of the game, but to a young adult, what they see may still be considered as being violence all the same. No? I've personally only ever seen 2 UFC fights on TV and a K1 competition and it does loook violent to me. More so than Judo or Boxing to my mind.

Does this spectator sport have an age limit?

Honestly, I think its a good opportunity to tell us non-MMAers about it.

Ph3n0m

TBH, its lazy joruanlism - the picture reference one thing (pro-wrestling ,an extreme version I might add) and the article refers to another thing (this case MMA)

Unfortunately until someone spots the mistake and makes a complaint then nothing can/will be done about it

Ph3n0m

Well as a fan of MMA and prowrestling, I have taken the first step.

I emailed unison.ie directly with the following

To whom it concerns

I wish to address my outrage and the blatent sloppy journalism that Unison.ie's paper the Evening Herald seems to be guilty of.

I refer to the article that appeared in yesterday's Herald on p17, which refered to the Parents Council objecting to the upcoming MMA (MIxed Martial Arts) event, due to take place in the National Stadium.

While I have no objection to the actual content of the article, I do object to the complete lack of ignorance in relation to the photograph used alongside the article.

The photograph has done nothing but damaged the ideal of MMA events, as the photo was used to represent what MMA is, when in actual fact the photo shows the extreme form of pro-wrestling.

I have yet to see any MMA event ( I suggest you watch UFC on Bravo as an example) where weapons of any kind are allowed inside the ring.

A MMA match is exactly that - two competitors who have trained for many years in their chosen discipline fighting each other to see who the better man.

Whether it was due to ignorance on your part or just blatant stupidity, I think unison.ie needs to print a retraction to its readers and also to apologise to the MMA community for the damage that such actions can/could cause.

Awaiting your reply

Colm_OReilly

On Violence.

Violence in any sport is dependent on the intent of the competitor. If a competitor tries to injure or seriously hurt his opponent the act is violent. If the intent is to win the match/tackle the player with the ball etc. it is not considered violent.

Unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the case that decided this but it was a European case after a boxer tried to sue his opponent for assault after being someway injured in the course of a boxing match that left his legally disabled. (Can't remember the details of the injury). We did all this during our Sports Law module in UCD with Neville Cox and since it was about combat sports I took note.

What MMA is, and can be, is an incredibly fash paced, and at times frantic sport. I imagine this is where beginners to the sport are taken back and label it as violent.

Another peculiarity of law. According to the British courts, you cannot consent to assault. (R. v Brun iirc). yet when you play any sport in which you are in contact with another player you are being assaulted. (Rugby tackles where used as the example in the case)

Hope this makes sense,
Colm

Clive

LMAO!

Classic stuff. If only I'd known I was a wrestler, competing in a wrestling event, which happens to be called the Ultimate Fighting Championship!

Good thing I had the Eveeening Her'bud to inform me!

pearsquasher

I understand the definition of what violence is alright..... I think something similar was posted before and its a good definition.

But, what if i was to bring a minor to such an event, i'd be more concerend with if it looked violent. Seeing UFC on TV and K1 in Japan... it looks very violent to me despite all the good will going around

Concenting adults can batter each other senseless all they want in a ring but the article raised the concern of the violent image a public event like that might give to young people. I don't agree with shoddy journalism but am just playing devils advocate on the sentiment of the piece, that's all.

Do these events sell themselves through the violent image for example? Whats the target audience?
Is there an attendent age limit? There is for violent films - which is only acting after all. See what I mean? It's the perception of violence that seems to be of concern.

Ph3n0m

And I wonder since boxing is such a socially acceptable sport - is there an age limit for event attendees - no!

So why should there be an age limit for MMA when there is none in place for boxing - which is violent.

pearsquasher

.. and indeed there are groups that think Boxing is itself violent and want it banned. I don't agree with them myself as legal boxing is interesting to watch and cames with well extablished regulations and, importantly, an image of being a quality sport (except for the odd "tyson" incident).

MMA events don't have this image, being still in their infancy, I guess. Of course there are all sorts of reasons behind what makes one thing accpetable and another not.. historical and social reasons... but you can't immediately cry "but what about boxing" as these reasons weigh heavily, like it or not.

Personally, I do have an negative image of MMA events, form watching them on TV myself and a general impression I get from the media. Is this my fault for listening to the media? Is it the medias fault for getting it all wrong? Is it the sports fault for either being too new to the game or actually inherently violent or is it a mixture of all of these? Worth pondering. In the end it's all about perceptions isn't it? And in a public, audience-dfependent event, thats quite important. Hence the (badly put together) article in the Herald

Ger Healy

As I did'nt get the Evening Hearld to see this

Can anyone post the article up here please?

Tim_Murphy

I got it Ger, will bring it down to training tonight if I think of it.

That article is so bad it actually funny

Ger Healy

Tim_Murphy wrote:

I got it Ger, will bring it down to training tonight if I think of it.

That article is so bad it actually funny

Cheer Tim


Just read the advertisement feature in the irish sun today page 15

Anyone thinks that imatation of a journalist form the evening healrd might see it and learn from it