im in love with an austrian princess that I met once

Hectorjelly

ok, bigFISH! is the reason Im at this table, (its not his real name) he is a major donator. Unfortunately this isnt against him, and I have 0 reads on the
villain. I noticed him raising small preflop a few times but wasnt really paying attention. I raised the turn because he seemed to haven given up on the hand and I had bigger fish to fry.

$0.50/$1
[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Hand Start.
[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Seat 1 : al 4 has $130.50
[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Seat 2 : hectorjelly has $409.63
[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Seat 3 : dirka83 has $25
[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Seat 4 : bigFISH! has $254.54
[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Seat 5 : Villain has $107
[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Seat 6 : purplefish has $95.50

[Oct 11 04:58:25] : Seat 2 : hectorjelly has Jh Jc

[Oct 11 04:58:29] : Villain called $1 and raised $4
[Oct 11 04:58:32] : purplefish folded.
[Oct 11 04:58:42] : al 4 folded.
[Oct 11 04:58:45] : hectorjelly called $5
[Oct 11 04:58:49] : dirka83 called $4.50
[Oct 11 04:58:49] : bigfish! folded.
[Oct 11 04:58:50] : Dealing flop.

[Oct 11 04:58:50] : Board cards [3h 4c 8c]
[Oct 11 04:58:53] : dirka83 checked.
[Oct 11 04:58:56] : Villain bet $6
[Oct 11 04:59:01] : hectorjelly called $6
[Oct 11 04:59:01] : dirka83 folded.
[Oct 11 04:59:02] : Dealing turn.

[Oct 11 04:59:02] : Board cards [3h 4c 8c Ts]
[Oct 11 04:59:07] : Villain bet $4
[Oct 11 04:59:10] : hectorjelly called $4 and raised $16
[Oct 11 04:59:12] : Villain called $16

[Oct 11 04:59:12] : Dealing river.
[Oct 11 04:59:12] : Board cards [3h 4c 8c Ts 8h]
[Oct 11 04:59:18] : Villain bet $76 and is All-in
[Oct 11 04:59:33] : It's your turn.
[Oct 11 04:59:33] : hectorjelly has 10 seconds to respond.



Agrh what do I do here?

bohsman

My best friend on tribeca is an old cloth from Norway... not real name either

Tough one, A8? think Id drop it.

hmm an English schoolboy and an Austrian princess?

Hectorjelly

Jeez, im not english. I think i need to work on my accent.

Tackle

This is a tough alright one. No reads on the villain and a strange betting pattern. A $6 bet on the flop into a $15 pot doesn't look like a high pair (or top pair?). It could be a set but he didn't reraise on the the turn so that doesn't look so likely.
Seems to be either A8 or he's called your reraise on the turn with overcards and doesn't want to give up the pot. This would be way easier if you knew what he was raising with and how good he was. The timer would probably run out on me with this one but I'd say I'd call here, his turn bet looks suspicious. Actually all his betting is suspicious.

NickyOD

Given the action I think this has to be a call. Just looks a busted flush draw and he's using the second 8 to scare you off it.

Lafortezza

AcQc, A8s, he could have anything really, you might be ahead or behind on the river. I hope I helped.

Hectorjelly

lafortezza wrote:

AcQc, A8s, he could have anything really, you might be ahead or behind on the river. I hope I helped.

So your saying his hand range is limited to everything bar JJ?

jimbling

I reckon its a call alright.... you could be beat, but its more likely he's using the scare card to blow you off (he may think you were on a draw). Your getting the odds to make the call.

but tell me.... why were you playing so passively in the hand? Do you think thats a profitable play with JJ in general?

Daithio

Definite fold. He either has the flush made or he filled a house or trips on the river and he's betting so large thinking that you had the flush. Whatever he has, he knows you have a strong hand. Flat calling on the flop and then raising on the turn indicates that you have a big big hand, and he's only betting like that with a hand bigger than what he thinks yours is, which could be an overpair (which it is) or a flush. He's not doing it with a pair of nines for sure, and nobody bluffs a missed flush for all their chips after their opponent flat calls on the flop and a raises on the turn.

careca

Hectorjelly wrote:

So your saying his hand range is limited to everything bar JJ?

Why cant he have JJ

I reckon A3c. Similar to Nicky, busted flush draw with a small pair. Call.

Tackle

Daithio wrote:

He either has the flush made or he filled a house on the river and he's betting so large thinking that you had the flush.

What flush?

Hectorjelly wrote:

So your saying his hand range is limited to everything bar JJ?

So did he have JJ?

impr0v

OT, but thread titles such as this must be applauded.

charlesanto

You invited the bluff...
...he bluffed
...you gotta call !

Lafortezza

Hectorjelly wrote:

So your saying his hand range is limited to everything bar JJ?

He raises preflop, he has a hand "of value" where value is widely subjective. He gets two callers.
The flop is checked to him and he bets $6 into pot of $16, with one player to act behind him. A smallish continuation bet with 99? A weak lead with a top set, a big fat draw with 5c6c? AKo that missed?

Turn arrives and he makes a pissy little bet. Trying to see a cheap river with a draw? Still trying to swell the pot with a huge hand? He gets raised by his own personal Villain and flat calls. This might tighten his hand up again to something with showdown-able value, or a reasonable draw.

River pairs the board, and the flush misses. He pushes with a roughly pot sized bet. Could he do this with an over pair, any eight, a missed flush/straight, Ax where x has hit the board, a total bluff?
Hand range is still massive, a set, 99-AA, any 8, missed draw of which there are many, Tx, A3/4s.

Standard disclaimer as always.

Hectorjelly

When he moved in I felt like id been slapped, I had no idea what he had his bets didnt make sense. I thought it was unlikely he had an 8 because of the preflop raise. Anyway my I called and won, he had 66, but I wasnt sure about the call and still think it my be an unprofitable call in the long run.

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

When he moved in I felt like id been slapped, I had no idea what he had his bets didnt make sense. I thought it was unlikely he had an 8 because of the preflop raise. Anyway my I called and won, he had 66, but I wasnt sure about the call and still think it my be an unprofitable call in the long run.

This happens to me a lot in shorthanded NL games and to be honest I might call the all in one day and fold it the next in the exact same situation. A lot of it has to do with the timing of his betting/calling on all the streets. i.e.
(quick call is usually a draw, a quick check raise is usually serious trouble)

Sometimes when a player pushes the river very quickly it just looks like one of those "Please don't call me" pushes. Of course sometimes you make a bad call but over time you learn to distinguish between the genuine pushes and the steals.

hotspur

Good call, I'd have broken the mouse button calling it myself, if he had reraised on the turn you could worry about 10 10, other than that you were golden, as obvious a bluff as is possible online

Daithio

I stand corrected tackle, I misread the flop as having 3 clubs, not two clubs and a heart. I think I'd probably call in this situation, not certain though. I might have raised the flop. Good call all the same.

Cloud

Where's the rest of princess story?! One of the few thread topics I've been attracted to (spotted on big-boards.com [1]).

J.
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[1] http://www.big-boards.com/highlight/108/