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EMERGENCY EMERGENCY ... THERE'S AN EMERGENCY GOING ON...

Has anyone seen the news...

Nostradamus...

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" ,
"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" -


4 hijacked planes...one motive...

To ram two of them into the twin towers

Voice your opinions on this mother of a catastrophe.

Come on out with them...

Anything at all...

I'll start the ball rolling...

It has been said that congress (or someone) knew that there would be an attack on the U.S. two weeks prior.

Oohh conspiracy...

Cait

gggggggrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!

that is all i have to say on the matter

gggggggrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

futont

Well one thing, that quote is "NOT" Nostradamus, like a lot emails seem to be speculating at the moment. Also, only 2 of the 4 lpanes were for the twin towers, ims ure you know this, its just, the one that crashed in the corn field, where was it going?

Its terrible, but Im not wholly suprised.

"You get what you give."
New Radicals

:-)

C

Asuka

This theory has been discussed on the humanities board, so im not going to bother giving you the evidence here

Personally, i think its more like the book of Revelations than Nostradamus' predictions.

A

nlb

interesting theory but newyork is hardly the city of god
only jereusilim and geneva have ever been called that and that is where whoever wrote that was refering to

qwidgybo

it's at times like these when i wish i was a tree frog so i wouldn't have to deal with the shame of being part of the human race

Scarinae

Did anyone know anybody who was in New York when it happened? A cousin on my mother's side, Rachel, works in the World Trade Center. She lives in London, and commutes out to New York most weeks, coming home for the weekends. When we heard about the plane crashes and saw the horrifying footage on TV we were really worried, but didn't know if she was there at the time. We couldn't get in contact with anyone and didn't hear anything until this morning. Luckily, she stayed in London this week because she was sick, but I know that a lot of people were not so lucky and I can understand what they're going through. It was an awful thing to happen and it affected so many people.

sisob

about the cospiracy:
i find it unlikely that the feds knew NOTHING about it then
were able to identify 50 suspects in 2 days. seems unlikely.

and

(dont get me wrong, i think it was horrific but: )

over 70 thousand people were killed in the nuke
on nagasaki, men, women, school children, all civilians.
and america is never brought to question over it.
the only reason we dont remember it is because no
video camera say 5 or 6 thousand people being
vapourised.

perspective is important; japan never got its own back
for that; remember that when america blows up half the
middle east

--sisob

ps

"The Nagasaki municipal government
officially adopted the figure of "more than 70,000" deaths on
the basis of information from population surveys and the estimate made by
the Nagasaki City Atomic Bomb Records Preservation Committee in July 1950.
Said the committee in its report: "73,884 people were killed and 74,909
injured, and 17,358 of the deaths were confirmed by post- mortem examination
soon after the atomic bombing.""

--http://www1.city.nagasaki.nagasaki.jp/na-bomb/museum/m2-1e.html

sisob

http://www-sdc.med.nagasaki-u.ac.jp/n50/disaster/Deathnum.gif

ohh and i forgot about the 118 thousand people killed in hiroshima.:( trust the amercans: one nuke wasnt enough

nlb

dont forget teh probably millions of deaths caused by us activities in geutamala, el salvadore, niceragua, hondouras, loas, iran, iraq, palastine, somalia, vietnam, columbia, cambodia, korea, chile and also the undermining of unions and support for the rich which is taking place inside the us

sisob

like your stile nlb

but you're a touch shy on details

give us some stories

--sisob

nlb

i could but it wouls take too long, i'll give the names of some books

imp

One of the things I find worrying is that a former Secretary of State, the one of George Bush Sr.'s administration, was quoted as saying something along the lines of "We shouldn't wait for any evidence, we should just launch an all out assault on the countries we think are harbouring terrorists". And, George W. Bush is apparently taking this to heed. 69% of polled Americans said that they were willing to accept heavy casualties in the US Army in order to get revenge. Also, the Americans will definitely go way overboard in their military retaliation, no doubt killing collossal numbers of civilians, as usual. They don't seem to know the meaning of the word "overkill". For example, in 1941, approx. 3,000 Americans (I think, that number is from memory) were killed in Pearl Harbour, over half of them military personnel. In 1945, when America finally got to make their own revenge attack, almost 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed, and even more injured, many of whom died later of radiation poisoning. Does anybody else think that dropping a nuke safely off the Japanese coast might have persuaded them to surrender? Successive US governments seem to treat foreign lives as statistics. Maybe I seem like the devil's advocate here. Don't get me wrong what happened in New York, Washington and Pittsburg last week was a horrible, disgusting act. But America will go too far. Yesterday, the president said that America was "a peaceful nation". Strange, but its never seemed like that to me.

}:>

futont

To be fair, they dont start fights. This I think classifies them as peaceful.

imp

Ahem... Vietnam??

nlb

they meddle, they only use military force when plans such as creating civil unrest, bombings, supporting right wing geurrillas, and disgracing leaders fails. i tink it was monday, or sunday the the us bombed parts of the east, probably killing asmany people as were killed in new york, yet hardly a owrd form the media

lordsippa

America for all their horrible acts always try to be the good guys! Vietnam was them looking at something already pretty horrible saying "we'll help" and then making it much worse.

They go around trying to act as some kind of peace keeper, like in a group of friends where one always tries to stop arguments and ends up having everyone yell at them. America don't realise how patronising their "we'll fight your war" attitude is. It's made them a lot of enemies and that's where most of their problems come from.

What happened on Tuesday is, in a way, the fault of the American people, but only because they tried to help and failed. Their good intentions went astray and led them to ruin.

George Bush, however is not going to act on good intentions. he is simply going to act because if he doesn't he's going to need charisma and rational judgement and -god forbid - intelligence. Clinton, he could've calmed the American people while still pursuing justice and come out a hero. Bush. Bush is a whiny fu<king baby! Grr!

nlb

that's bullsh1t

*curls invisible beard*

um, to whoever asked it earlier, the plane that crashed in the field was headed for Camp David, in Maryland. Supposedly

imp

I think that's right, when I was on my way home from school on Tuesday my mother said that two had crashed at the WTC, one into the Pentagon and that there was a fourth headed to Camp David which the USAF had been ordered to shoot down.

}:>

sisob

that plane was either shot down or crashed intentionally by the
civilians on board: im not to sure yet which.

somthing most ppl forget is that the cia trained bin laden. internal affairs my ass.

oh and 2 of the evil hyjackers were on the fbi list of ppl who should not be allowed into the country and were known terrorists.
and yet they maneged to get onboard with knives.

now america has started another war in the middle east. IDDIOTS.
i know somone who is trying to organise a campain to keep
ireland neutral in this iddiotic WW3

sisob

http://www.medteams.com/Travel_Advisories/Anti_American.html

http://www.holology.com/america.html

http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/embassy/7924/

sisob

http://www.antiwar.com

this is much better. the other 3 are interesting but a bit odd

sisob

http://www.socialconscience.com/articles/2001/un-panel.htm

some more reasons to hate america

nlb

there aren't enought allready?

qwidgybo

does anyone else sense some american/voting public arse-licking?
last friday was the first national mourning day in the history of our state-omagh and dev's funeral didn't get this sort of attention
oh-and what a surprise-a general election is coming up!!

nlb

i think that that also applys to the american presidential elections, even though they're far away this could be the only thing apart from ritual suicide in the democratic party to be capable of giving bush a secdcond term in office

nosmo

As an anarchist communist (cue whispers of "for fu(ks sake" and sighs), I loathe the us and the evil they thrive upon, but the WTC attack was uncalled for. I really hope they find out who did it and kick the b0llock$ off them.

imp

I do find it unusual that terrorists managed to hijack 5 planes in one day. Also, considering how it seems the phone calls from cell phones on the planes were being monitored by the CIA, shouldn't they have instantly realised that the first crash was actually intentional? Also, why is nobody talking about the fifth plane anymore? I for one would like to know what happened to it. I don't agree that the National Day of Mourning had much to do with the General Election next year, it caused a lot of outrage from the small and medium businesses sectors, and even with some of the larger businesses. Also we must remember that 28 (I think) people died in Omagh compared to almost 5,000 dead or missing in New York.

}:>

nlb

well they'll kick the boll0cks of someone, doesn't matter weather they did it or not. i dont think that a response is justified

nlb

well they'll kick the boll0cks of someone, doesn't matter weather they did it or not. i dont think that a response is justified

Shoeless Ailbhe

I think the national day of mourning was a really nice gesture and all, like I'd love all the world to do that for ireland if it happened us, but what annoys me is that they expected everyone to close shops and services and not work!! I mean, what about doctors and all that, like they're supposed to let people die?? And a my friend's grandaunt died on the wednesday, the day after the crashes, and they started the whole funeral thing on friday.... or had intended to, except the underteker, priest and gravediggers were all off duty and fu<ked it all up for the family!! Another thing is that 1/3 of the irish employees are employed by the government, and we ( well, our parents anyway) pay tax to the government, who then pay the people in hospitals, fire services and gardai who've to work on national days of mourning, and have to pey them double pay..... our money!! ( Well, our parents' anyway!!)

Thats an argument of a friend of mine, whos dad is a doctor!!

Thought I'd let her contribute to the boards!!

But really I'm very worried and scared poopless that poop will happen!!

A

alaskagirl

hey y'all. livin in america has been a tad bit chaotic lately. even being acroos the country from the mess, everything has pretty much come to a standstill. i am really glad we didnt bomb anyone on my birthday yesterday. everyone has american flags everywhere and its the only thing on tv and the radioo. i am getting really sick of everyones stories of "how close to home this hits." they all know somebodys uncles best friends sisters affair from 6 years ago who was driving by the state border to new york and saw the plane fly over head, or something like that. it gets absurd. our president is the stupidest person i have EVER known of. seriously, his head is full of rocks. i dont know HOW my idiotic country ever elected him. i really wish clinton was still president. he would figure someting out.

i really dont want my country to go on some psychotic revenge binge and bomb random countries off of the map, i just want the terrorism to stop. it makes me really mad.

apparently the terrorists religion tells them that it is their duty to rid this place of the people like americans who kind of have no morals and harbor liberated women and homosexuals and all sorts of hanky panky.So our destruction of any group of people would probably be some sort of religious discrimination and i dont want to do that. i just think there shoudl be some way of making all of these attacks stop without having to destroy an entire culture/country/ race.....ergggggg!!! whatever. it just makes me mad.

also, i wish it wasnt on the news EVERYWHERE here and that EVERYONE wouldnt be talking about it. part of what is satisfying whoever did this is knowing that they are tearing apart our society.. If only we could go about repairing the cities attacked, and maybe work on national security or something. of course, now we cant even get on a plane with a pocket knife , no one can get into the boarding areas without a ticket, and soooo amyn other restrictions, which is a reall pain in the @$$ because i live somewhere that in order to go anywhere outside of my state and see any other places or family members, one has to fly!!!
EEEEEEEEERRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ok, ive rambled on long enough. i still have more to say, but i have to stop or ill make myself really mad about this whole mess. just dont take to harsh an outlook on all americans, WE ARE NOT ALL BAD!!!!!. so be easy on us even though our president is a c0ck and some of us arent all that bright.

Clare

Asuka

Someone is stealing my signoff...

A

Mahotée

Isnt this constant bitching about Americans (cos there's only one kind of them, you know) racism?

By the way, let me tell you a really funny story, i was out at lunchtime with this girl i dont really know. She'd stolen my friends boyfriend and slags people occasionally. and then her mobile rang and her mother told her her grandad was dying, they'd pick her up from school later. She was really distraught, totally shaken up, understandably. She'd never had a death of someone close to her happen before. So I told her everyone in the school thought she was a slut, and pulled her hair and hit her and she fell down, so i kicked her. given that she was feeling really low, and all.

Cos that seems to be the appropriate way to behave. Am i wrong Mark? nlb? sven?

-kate
(this is the last time, i swear.)

Mandibles

Eeesh. Well. Am I supposed to throw in my 2 cents here? Well, considering I live about 30 miles away from the Pentagon (In Maryland.... that plane WAS headed for Camp David) and like, 5 hours drive away from NYC. Euhm... I like to think we're trying to move on from this whole incident. Maybe I'm being insensitive, but I think everyone is just oversaturated with the news coverage on this. It's really scary how close to home this whole thing is. Everybody knows somebody who was affected... there is some project going on for a girl at our school whose father was on one of the planes, and like half the school's parents worked at the Pentagon.....

I also wish everybody would just shut up about Bush. I am NOT a Bush supporter or anything, but falling back on the Bush-bashing is so damn annoying and shortsighted. What the hell is anybody supposed to do in this kind of situation? Saying that Clinton or another president or leader would have completely changed the spin on the situation and NOT have decided to retaliate is just bulls**t. Nobody saw this kind of thing coming.... blaming the airports for crappy security and whatever is stupid, because half the bitching about airports that goes around is about how they are too paranoid. Going back, though... what country in this situation would NOT retaliate if they could?? *sigh* It's been a long week since Tuesday. At any rate, just... whatever happens, happens, and there's nothing we can do about it except cope. And bitch.

alaskagirl

yeah i guess youre right. thats about it.

sisob

Originally posted by Mahotée
Isnt this constant bitching about Americans (cos there's only one kind of them, you know) racism?

By the way, let me tell you a really funny story, i was out at lunchtime with this girl i dont really know. She'd stolen my friends boyfriend and slags people occasionally. and then her mobile rang and her mother told her her grandad was dying, they'd pick her up from school later. She was really distraught, totally shaken up, understandably. She'd never had a death of someone close to her happen before. So I told her everyone in the school thought she was a slut, and pulled her hair and hit her and she fell down, so i kicked her. given that she was feeling really low, and all.

Cos that seems to be the appropriate way to behave. Am i wrong Mark? nlb? sven?

-kate
(this is the last time, i swear.)

i guess i gotta reply to this but im not really
that bothered. was there an international
day of morning for those vapourised and
mortally indured at nagasaki? no, because there were no video cameras there to capture the hundreds of people trying
to get to the river to drown themselves
because most of their flesh had been torn
off.

i am sorry i hate america. and to the person
who said that that is raceist: i have no problem with americans. appart from the fact
that they heavily brainwashed by propiganda. its anoying but i cant hold it
against them because it is not their fault.

and because i dont hate americans, yes i
do feel terible that this has happened. it
makes my burn with anger to think that the
idiotic decisions of the "institution of america" has lead to the deaths of 5k good,
innocent people. so no, i am not heartless.
mabye this was just not the right time to
bitch about america. but as ive explained
now more than ever i hate the america.
because it trained the evil men who have caused so much pain.

thats my bit said.

ps. which kate is giving out to me?

Shoeless Ailbhe

Didn't steal it deliberately; Sorry

Smiley

You know...about the whole Bush slagging thing...

I think America needs a boring President, at least it did until these attacks happened.

What they don't need is one whose gonna blow the bals of some country and most of it's surrounding countrys, and start a bloody world war.

Besides, they haven't even proved that it was binladin yet anyway.

Having said that, Americas got some pretty nifty toys, and someones gotta pay or these attacks.

On a lighter note...

My art teacher appraoched the class today wih a prospect which I thought had to be the nicest thing that has happened all day.
She had an idea to make out cards for the schools in NY... sort of a nice little gesture of kindness.

So we spent the rest of the afternoon making cards. And they'll be sent off to NY later this week.

Nice, huh??

On an even lighter note...

HAPPY (late) BIRTHDAY CLARE!!!

Sorry about the delay and all...I haven't been within 10 foot reach of a computer for days (sob).

Have a good one

Talk to ye lot later,

M...

lordsippa

Kate,

I'm sorry for sounding racist. I don't hate Americans at all. I may laugh at their education system and at Bush (and come on, but who doesn't), yet I'm one of the first to defend Americans when people start calling them stupid and what, as I know only smart Americans (so maybe I am slightly biased in their favour, I don't know).

As regards Bush and this incident, something just dawned on me. Imagine if Gore had been president! At least Bush has enough advisers to hold off a war. Gore was a fu<king soldier who was in a POW camp! He would give one of those "didn't suffer for my country so it could..." speeches and nuke EVERYWHERE! So for once I'm glad of Bush. Even if I do hate him with a passion.

If it had been Nader none of this would have happened. The planes would be fueled with celery and wouldn't have been going as fast nor would they have exploded. So it wouldn't be as bad. So there! Or at least if they could develop high octance celery! Ooh! I've got a young scientist project now!

Mahotée

i went over the top, again.


mark, when nagasaki and hiroshima were bombed there was still technically a war on. from my basic grasp of history the japanese were losing and kept on fighting, and two atom boms were dropped, a couple of days apart. they would surely have surrendered sfter the first one, but there was still a war on. war is bad. but (and this doesnt make it better, i know) when theres a war on you know that you could die, or lose someone very close to you any day. (on another note, i was talking to a friend about ww2. if something like that happened now, with infantry and manpower, and all, it would be guys my friends age going out. sven, youd probably cwould not go because your leg is banjaxed. um . . . the rest of you?)

what happened in new york last tuesday was terrorism . . . america hasnt learned to accept terrorists in quite the same way as us. i think thats good. we cant punish the ira, not really, because there are too many political entanglements. maybe this will stop that. i dont know how the US are going to get bin-laden, but he is the only real suspect. 'even if he wasnt directly responsible. he's kind of like a mafia don, apparently.'- a reliable american. vietnam was a war, and a mess. afghanistan has skipped the first bit and hopefully wont backtrack.

im sorry, im really tired. i think ill come back to this tomorrow or the next day, alright? i will. the complicated thinking stuff, anyway.

mark this is kate lorigan. im tallish. i right letters. ive done ctyi.

aideen, re: days of mourning. do you mean devalera? as in eamonn? cos he lived a long fuull life.

i think the reason i was pissed off is: i genuinely like amewrica. its never been mean to me. the weather and the people are kind. there's a good atmosphere there. if i could sleep, i would like to be america. other countries i feel for, because i know i should, but america i feel for because i know. its like lying on the grass in stephends green, in the sun. i dont really like taht the terrorists have gotten there too. i dont know how to explain it.

maybe . . . other places i know about because of their civil wars, or their politics or their poverty or their weather disasters. but my awareness of america is from when i was little and everything was ok. and even taht could be a deceptive memory, but that's the way ive grown up with it in my head. lets all go to disneyworld.

alaskagirl

hey, jus tthinkin that the whole celery thingy waqs very very VERY funny. alot of the people i know voted for nader and it is TOTALLY true. i still havent figured out how to insert quotes....

ennyways, gotta toddle off to bed now, long day.
~clare~

Crash

put it this way, americas meddling finally caught up with them, but it wasnt the leaders that suffered, it was the (relatively, and i mean that in the nicest possible way) innocent people. After all, if it was Osama Bin Laden, it was the CIA that helped start his organisation up with guns and training.