I Have To Give It A Break.(Hand History/BadBeat maybe too! right mods?)

Mark J

any advice?

My name is Mark....and i`m an addict.

I`m sick of getting rivered. to the tune of €4,000 in the last 3 weeks.

(and no, this isn`t a figment of my imagination)

here`s the hand history. any advice/comments/blatant abuse!?!
all welcome.

Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
First Blood 3451839-36419 Holdem No Limit $2/$4
[Oct 8 00:45:53] : Hand Start.
[Oct 8 00:45:53] : Seat 1 : Mark J has $254.50
[Oct 8 00:45:53] : Seat 2 : Danne has $411.48
[Oct 8 00:45:53] : Seat 3 : Cav999 has $80
[Oct 8 00:45:53] : Seat 5 : wildcardaa has $790.42
[Oct 8 00:45:53] : Seat 6 : fizzy17 has $122.10
[Oct 8 00:45:53] : wildcardaa is the dealer.
[Oct 8 00:45:54] : fizzy17 posted small blind.
[Oct 8 00:45:54] : Mark J posted big blind.
[Oct 8 00:45:54] : Game [36419] started with 4 players.
[Oct 8 00:45:55] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Oct 8 00:45:55] : Seat 1 : Mark J has Ac Ad
[Oct 8 00:46:22] : Danne folded.
[Oct 8 00:46:23] : wildcardaa called $4
[Oct 8 00:46:25] : fizzy17 called $2 and raised $4
[Oct 8 00:46:29] : Mark J called $4
[Oct 8 00:46:30] : wildcardaa called $4
[Oct 8 00:46:30] : Dealing flop.
[Oct 8 00:46:30] : Board cards [2c 7h 3c]
[Oct 8 00:46:36] : fizzy17 checked.
[Oct 8 00:46:42] : Mark J bet $8
[Oct 8 00:46:47] : wildcardaa called $8 and raised $32
[Oct 8 00:46:49] : fizzy17 called $40
[Oct 8 00:47:00] : Mark J called $32 and raised $64
[Oct 8 00:47:09] : wildcardaa called $64
[Oct 8 00:47:11] : fizzy17 called $64 and raised $10.10 and is All-in
[Oct 8 00:47:11] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Oct 8 00:47:14] : Mark J called $10.10
[Oct 8 00:47:16] : wildcardaa called $10.10
[Oct 8 00:47:16] : Dealing turn.
[Oct 8 00:47:16] : Board cards [2c 7h 3c 6d]
[Oct 8 00:47:20] : Mark J bet $132.40 and is All-in
[Oct 8 00:47:24] : wildcardaa called $132.40
[Oct 8 00:47:24] : Showdown!
[Oct 8 00:47:24] : Seat 1 : Mark J has Ac Ad
[Oct 8 00:47:26] : Seat 1 : Mark J has Ac Ad
[Oct 8 00:47:26] : Seat 5 : wildcardaa has 7d As
[Oct 8 00:47:26] : Seat 6 : fizzy17 has Ah Ks
[Oct 8 00:47:30] : Board cards [2c 7h 3c 6d 7c]
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : Seat 1 : Mark J has Ac Ad
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : Mark J has Two Pair: Aces and 7s
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : Seat 5 : wildcardaa has 7d As
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : wildcardaa has 3 of a Kind: 7s
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : wildcardaa wins $263.97 with 3 of a Kind: 7s
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : Seat 6 : fizzy17 has Ah Ks
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : fizzy17 has Pair: 7s
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : Seat 1 : Mark J has Ac Ad
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : Mark J has Two Pair: Aces and 7s
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : Seat 5 : wildcardaa has 7d As
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : wildcardaa has 3 of a Kind: 7s
[Oct 8 00:47:31] : wildcardaa wins $365.13 with 3 of a Kind: 7s
[Oct 8 00:47:45] : Hand is over.


i am giving poker a break but i am addicted, i have no qualms about admitting it.
i`m not on any big salary or anything, just a general op.

poker has paid for bills, presents and wotnot for 4 months but i`m actually down out of my own pocket now which tbh, is disastrious!(*spelling*?)

i don`t think i`m being outplayed but getting rivered constantly.
(bla,bla,bla, that`s poker, get over it - i know)

i really am up in a heap at the mo`.....fcuking river.


that fcuking River...always!

Doc Farrell

Either give it up or go down to limits you can afford. Obvious advice but thats all i got.

The last two months have been my worst for 2 years. Until this week were i got half my losses back in one tourney. it cost me 12 euro to play.

If i had have chased my losses over the past two months by playing in bigger games I would be dead broke (instead of half broke).

If you feel you don't have the patience to move down and play staedy and slow then I do recommend that you get another vice.

gl, d.

Culchie

Mark,

Give it a break. It's only a computer screen.

If you feel like you're digging a hole then it's definitely time to stop.

€4000 is alot of money. Cut your losses now. It's gone. Do not lose any more.

Davey Devil

Mark J wrote:

i don`t think i`m being outplayed but getting rivered constantly.
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Judging by your play in that hand I disagree.

You played the hand poorly. I'd say you are playing well above your level at 2/4 also.

Quit before you do anymore damage. If you get into the "winning back" mentality you will lose even more. Quit now while the damage is manageable.

Hectorjelly

The way you played this hand well be directly resonsible for increasing your varience. You played it well but you set out from the start to put your stack in on the flop where you will often be beat, or much less of a favourite than preflop.

Mark J

Davey Devil wrote:

Judging by your play in that hand I disagree.

You played the hand poorly. I'd say you are playing well above your level at 2/4 also.

Quit before you do anymore damage. If you get into the "winning back" mentality you will lose even more. Quit now while the damage is manageable.

Davey Devil wrote:

Judging by your play in that hand I disagree.

You played the hand poorly. I'd say you are playing well above your level at 2/4 also.

Quit before you do anymore damage. If you get into the "winning back" mentality you will lose even more. Quit now while the damage is manageable.

Mark J wrote:

[Oct 8 00:47:00] : Mark J called $32 and raised $64
[Oct 8 00:47:09] : wildcardaa called $64
[Oct 8 00:47:11] : fizzy17 called $64 and raised $10.10 and is All-in
[Oct 8 00:47:11] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Oct 8 00:47:14] : Mark J called $10.10
[Oct 8 00:47:16] : wildcardaa called $10.10
[Oct 8 00:47:16] : Dealing turn.
[Oct 8 00:47:16] : Board cards [2c 7h 3c 6d]
[Oct 8 00:47:20] : Mark J bet $132.40 and is All-in
[Oct 8 00:47:24] : wildcardaa called $132.40

poorly? was waiting for the big re-raise.....and he done so with a pair of 7s with A kicker. but i played poorly? if i raised big with my bullets, as one should,
it`d be fold, fold, fold, fold......

is it not poor play to call on the turn with pair 7s and A kicker?
different tables mean different stratagies!? no?
i bet $132 and he calls with a pair of 7s /A kicker but i made bad play - expand plz?

if i raised - it`d fold, fold, fold.

i played well according to HJ but Davey sez i played it wrong.
who`s right?

was i leadin til the river or not - that was my point - sick of river.

€4000 wasn`t my own money, it was money accumalated through smaller stakes.

also Davey, if i`m 4 months consistent and my style of play seems to reep the rewards, why change?

i know i can`t afford any more deposits at the moment but i made a bad play when A/7 didn`t???
feel free to expand.

Culchie

I wrote a big long post and my PC then froze and it's lost, so I'll just post the last sentence I wrote.

Your original post smacks of desperation, your last one smacks of denial.

Not a good sign.

bohsman

€4000 wasn`t my own money, it was money accumalated through smaller stakes.


i know i can`t afford any more deposits at the moment but i made a bad play when A/7 didn`t???
feel free to expand

Says it all, when things started to go wrong you should have moved back down the levels.

Tackle

You were just unlucky with that hand, I think you played it fine against a guy who raises and is willing to go all in with A7.
How big is/was your bankroll? I wouldn't play 2/4 without a bankroll of $6000 minimum.

Culchie

Tackle wrote:

You were just unlucky with that hand, I think you played it fine against a guy who raises and is willing to go all in with A7.
How big is/was your bankroll? I wouldn't play 2/4 without a bankroll of $6000 minimum.

Why is €4000 not enough to lose? Did you read his post properly. This guy needs advise to stay away from these games, not encouragement.

Tackle

It's more than enough to loose, I'm not encouraging him to play at this level, I just said he did nothing wrong in this hand.
I definately don't think he should be playing at 2/4 without a sufficient bankroll. The reason I say $6000 is psychological even more than practical. If I loose well over a $1000 in one day, which would be very possible at this level on a bad day it would have a serious mental affect on me if my bankroll was $3000 rather than $6000. More than likely it'd lead to a dose of tilt and I'd loose even more, which I'd say could be a factor in Mark's loses over the last while. And I know he's been moving up and down levels which I think is one of the biggest mistakes you can make. Not having a go at you here Mark btw, I know you're a very capable player, I just think you have bankroll management issues.
$6000 is what I see as the minimum in general but I'm not playing those stakes myself until I have $8000.

Doc Farrell

whether u played it right or not take Culchie's advice and move down the limits or quit. there is no other reasonable alternative.

gl.

Marq

move up to 4/8. you'll win it back in half the time.

Doc Farrell

i stand corrected....

NickyOD

Mark. As Hector said. Playing Aces this way will increase your variance. If you are not financially prepared to lose 10 buy-ins then play bookish ABC poker and never miss an oportunity to raise and reraise with big pairs.

Having said that these kind of swings can happen even if you do nothing wrong. Even good players will have a downswing of anything up to 12 buyins at NL tables from time to time. I lost $3500 3 weeks in August at 5/10 limit. but then went on an upswing of over 600BBs. Variance is a bitch but if you're not financially and mentally prepared for it play lower stakes.

kincsem

Download your hand history for a few sessions.
Then read these game by game and put notes in (use a word processor).
You should see your mistakes. Eliminate them from your play.
This work will keep you from playing for a time.
Return to Play Money, Frequent Player Point, or $5 multi table tournaments and play there until you are finishing in the top 10% of the field or better.
Play no more than two tournaments a day.
Get your finances in order (pay off overdrafts, loans, credit cards).
Start playing again at the lowest levels. Only move up when you are in profit and use only those profits.
Keep records to know how you are doing. Preferably write these in a notebook. Using a computer is ok but a notebook is more real.

Fatboydim

Aces look very pretty but the old saying is you either win a little or lose a lot.

Once you see the flop how can you be confident your aces are good? He could already be holding pocket 7s or be staying in with a draw with something like 45c - unlikely cards but pre-flop the raise was the minimum. You were on BB so could just be protecting your blinds.
The worst player here in my opinion was Mr AK but had you raised when you had the opportunity, a more substantial amount he would probably have stayed in with you and MR A 7 would probably have dropped out.

No doubt you were unlucky, but in the long run it doesn't pay to limp with aces.

jtsuited

maybe you should move up stakes and play omaha instead. Go on, for a laugh!!!

Mark J

LOL! just might for a laugh!

also @ Culchie - having same probs with computer freezing after long posts.

califano

If you keep doubling up youre bound to win

Mark J

jtsuited wrote:

maybe you should move up stakes and play omaha instead. Go on, for a laugh!!!

i`d need 7:3 compression for that.

Mark J

Culchie wrote:

Your original post smacks of desperation, your last one smacks of denial.

i think i started this post with - Hi, My name is Mark and i`m an addict.

thought denial was the first sign of an addict to which i admitted.

Mark J

thank you all for the comments/advice/abuse, thusfar.

Doc Farrell

rounders123 wrote:

If you keep doubling up youre bound to win

there's a hole in that theory, coz if u keep doubling up soon u will have all the money in the world and there will be no one left to play against. then u'll have to go back to the play money tables and who wants to do that....

califano

hmmmmm