Deepish stacked Omaha hand (HH)

Lafortezza

I got badly played on this one. Shows my lack of experience with deep-stacked Omaha. Both Villain and I have >300BB.

Villain is loose but good, he's raising every hand preflop to get value in, and then bullying the smaller stacks. I, as per usual, am playing tight and have been payed off by weaker hands.


Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Vanster12 ( $114.69)
Seat 2: LLLaf ( $79.48)
Seat 3: pokerlady452 ( $17.90)
Seat 4: jleech8826 ( $30.40)
Seat 5: LusciousRay ( $7.45)
Seat 6: IainMBanks ( $24.65)
Seat 7: Sharlese ( $12.35)
Seat 8: melkkoe ( $6.05)
Seat 9: TheBigWal ( $32.85)
Seat 10: neehe ( $39.68)
Sharlese posts small blind (0.10)
melkkoe posts big blind (0.25)


** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to LLLaf [ As, Tc, Ks, Ah ]
TheBigWal folds.
neehe folds.
Vanster12 raises (0.85) to 0.85
LLLaf raises (2.90) to 2.90
pokerlady452 folds.
jleech8826 folds.
LusciousRay folds.
IainMBanks folds.
Sharlese calls (2.80)
melkkoe folds.
Vanster12 calls (2.05)

I raise a reasonable range of hands preflop, but this pretty much marks me for AAxx. Villain is good enough to know this. Bad play No. 1 but I wanted to play a big pot with a good hand.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6h, Jc, 8h ]
Sharlese checks.
Vanster12 bets (0.25)
LLLaf raises (6) to 6
Sharlese folds.
Vanster12 calls (5.75)

A shitty little min-bet by Villain, which I obviously raise with AAxx

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
Vanster12 checks.
LLLaf bets (15)
Vanster12 raises (64.95) to 64.95
LLLaf folds.

He checks to me, I pot it, he c/r me pretty much all-in.
The annoying thing is that since he (possibly) knows what I have and (possibly) reasons that I'm a decent player, I can't call. So he can do this with absolutely any hand he likes. The bare flush draw, any 6, any hand at all basically.

Bugger.

careca

I think its one of the biggest downfalls of internet omaha players that they think AA is unbeatable, regardless of flop. As you said its so easy to spot it when a player who has limped all day suddenly raises and bets the pot regardless. At least you owned up to your mistakes and I was surprised at your play tbh.

I think it was Marq who said to someone with AA that his biggest problem was forgetting that its omaha.

I try to mix my raising in omaha, sometimes with good hands (top pairs with draws) and other times with pure crap (play it like AA and if you hit you could win a monster as people will think you missed). Lately i have not raised at all with AA as again you can win a big pot if you hit as people expect a raise preflop.

Anyway thats my two cents from a below average omaha player. Although I'm getting better (watch out fitz when my leg is out of cast)

Lafortezza

The thing is though, with a reasonably coordinated AA hand like mine I want to play a big pot. I don't know how else I could have played this hand, Villain could easily have had me beat on the flop/turn, more than likely on this one he had me beat. But when he doesn't have me beat how do I know and do I play it different. With smaller stacks it easy to lump it all in the middle and hope, with big stacks it's tough to know where you're at.

In this hand I'm not convinced Villain had me beat, but I played it badly enough (and he probably played it well enough) to make me fold the best hand.

Btw, what happened your leg?

Imposter

lafortezza wrote:

a reasonably coordinated AA hand

I prefer these in Holdem

lafortezza wrote:

With smaller stacks it easy to lump it all in the middle and hope, with big stacks it's tough to know where you're at.

How/why does the raise mark you for AA? This is what you need to change imo. Reraise with more than just AAxx or just flat call with the AAxx. As has been said AAxx is far from unbeatable.

I suppose it also comes down to how well you know your opponent and in this case flat calling preflop is better imo, unless you can get someone all-in or you reraise with more hands than just AAxx.

careca

lafortezza wrote:

The thing is though, with a reasonably coordinated AA hand like mine I want to play a big pot. I don't know how else I could have played this hand, Villain could easily have had me beat on the flop/turn, more than likely on this one he had me beat. But when he doesn't have me beat how do I know and do I play it different. With smaller stacks it easy to lump it all in the middle and hope, with big stacks it's tough to know where you're at.

Good point about playing a big pot. I don't suppose there was much you could have done then except check the turn and call his bet on the river regardless. Course you've giving him a free card then if he is drawing. six of one I think....

lafortezza wrote:

Btw, what happened your leg?

There were ten lads beating up this old lady on O'Connell St. I couldn't stand back and watch so the eleven of us gave her a right good hiding. Only joking, football. Too old for it, I know.

RoundTower

I play this hand the same way, but I would reraise preflop a lot more, particularly when you have such big stacks. One of the main reasons not to reraise a lot preflop is that you might run into AAxx (see bigDragon's post, and think about whether the villain there played his hand well). With such a big stack, he still can't pot commit himself even with a re-reraise, so you don't mind taking a co-ordinated hand up against a marked AA hand in position.

I fold on 4th street, but for all he knows, I have Ah Qh Js Jc and he was drawing almost dead the whole hand.