FTW! What do you think of this???

Nema

Hello,


I am going to be building a new PC within next few weeks and wanted to know what you think of this so far!!


Mobo < CLICK >

7800GTX OC x2 in SLI < CLICK >

Two CPUs! <CLICK>

HDD x2 <CLICK>

RAM 4GB <CLICK>

Its not set in stone but you can see were im aiming! im going to go full towner and would like to use a water cooling sys so i can overclock the BIT*H, So if anyone can recommend any good ones that will do the job!.

please feel free to give me youre input and tell me what you think, "eg, whats better etc"

Thanks for reading

Diddy Kong

to be honest..sounds a bit much..what are you planning to do with it??? launch some sort of craft into space??? only jokin..if you have the money..its a nice setup..try http://www.dangerden.com/ for the watercooling..they have some good stuff

dave

garthv

Why?
Thats all a bit of a waste of money considering any game/program out at the moment wouldnt need half as much as that....

WizZard

Here's one someone made earlier with almost the exact same components!

Project Log

You want opinions on which case to use is it?

Joeface

ok i u can buy that u can buy any thing , looks like it could be quite an amazing rig...... but if the system detailed in ur sig is ur current system , why do u even need to build a new one just up grade some of the parts and blow the money u have left on something else

Nema

WizZard wrote:

Here's one someone made earlier with almost the exact same components!

Project Log

You want opinions on which case to use is it?

Sure man give me some links
BTH i was going to use this SWEET CASE i like it lol

Nema

Joeface wrote:

ok i u can buy that u can buy any thing , looks like it could be quite an amazing rig...... but if the system detailed in ur sig is ur current system , why do u even need to build a new one just up grade some of the parts and blow the money u have left on something else

Plain and simply i want best in IRELAND!!!


I dont mean notting smart by it!

Joeface

all i can say is im green with envy......

WizZard

Nema wrote:

Plain and simply i want best in IRELAND!!!


I dont mean notting smart by it!

Don't hold your breath.... :D

pickarooney

Why such tiny hard drives?

MrScruff

I like computers too but you need to leave the house a bit more dude,
go for a bike ride or something, seriously

WizZard

Nema wrote:

BTH i was going to use this SWEET CASE i like it lol

Wow, you really do have money to burn!

The PSU definitely will not be able to run what you've specifed.


Dunno about that case and SLi. It only has one VGA heatpipe setup. Also only one heatpipe setup for the CPU.


Feck all motherboards are compatible with it, yours most definitely is not.

Get a stacker, or something huge, you'll need it for watercooling all that gear.

Don't take this the wrong way but you sound like someone who thinks that throwing money at a system will get you "the best".
You really have to research what you want to get, just buying the most expensive components doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have the best system - it takes a lot more than that.

What do you want the system to do?
TBH two dual core opterons is a bit much for anything, unless it's a serious database/datacentre server.

Anyway, tell us what you want the system to do or all the posts on this thread will be along the lines of "OMG!1!11 did you win the lotto lololol!11one!"

WizZard

pickarooney wrote:

Why such tiny hard drives?

Everything in the lists seems to have been picked by going to web-stores and choosing the most expensive of everything.
The 74GB Raptors are 10k RPM drives, the fastest IDE based drives ever, until the faster 200GB Samsung came out a month or two ago.

astrofool

it also will definitely not be the fastest in Ireland, as an a64x2 will outperform it for 3dmark and games, and there's loads of server systems out there with 4-8 cpu's that would outperform it as a server.

We had a 2 year old test machine in the lab with 2 athlon 1.6ghz and 7gb of ram, so extrapolate that to nowadays

NutJob

If ur looking for a gaming system that’s the best in Ireland ull probably (Mosses Law) be outdone by someone else within 3-4 months.



Trust me the PC arms race is un-winnable situation



Can i also point out that using really small hard drives in the 10k Rpm range is pointless most people only use them for temporary storage of video while processing it.



I myself am running a striped SATA raid array 2(160 gig) a little more practical and performs well.





But if you want to spend a wad on the latest go for it but no game is currently capable of using it at the moment. Maybe Serious Sam 2 might warm the cpu and fill the first gig of ram

maidhc

What is your budget?

It is wrong to spend that much money on a computer unless you need it to do productive things, e.g. serious 3D CAD for designing Mars Rovers or something.

Most people would aspire to having your present computer. Would you not put the money towards something more useful? Or if you really hate you money give it to charity. Or to me.

Yook

Can I come over and play with it?

Way to futureproof!

Lex_Diamonds

Ha! Now I know who to blame when the rolling brownouts start occuring.

Sparky

jesus christ man, do you own the bank or something, seriously, spending that much on a system is madness, (unless you want to be getting rid of money for some legal reason).
You may want to be futureproofed, but seriously pc technology changes everyday.
Your wasting your money mate, it would be more fun to build a pc to a spec for say the next 1-2 yrs, and then upgrade with the latest technology then.

Either that or you are seriously taking the piss, especially with that case.

Nema

Ok, There is no real limit to how much i want to spend!,

Thanks for all youre input and i think il do what you said il build something and just upgrade it!
Go to this SITE and see what you come up with, Im going to use two 7800 GTX but i dont know what brand to go with. Im going to go with one single duel-core CPU but there is one or two nice boards there so i dont know what one to pick, Im going to use two Raptors and il say 4GB of ram, So any help you can offer il be thank full once again.

Peace


.......


Ok what do you think, Two of them in SLI GTX 7800 x2 = SLI .

Now i just need a good board that supports AMD x2 " Duel-Core CPU "

I think il use Kingston HyperX Ram or do any of you know better ram for gaming, Im building this PC for gaming

WizZard

Have you even read any of the constructive replies above?

Nema

WizZard wrote:

Have you even read any of the constructive replies above?

lol yes i have!!


Mobo Do you like or?

BloodBath

I'd go with 2 of these - http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/product.php?productid=18712

They choose the best cores and memory so you will have a better chance of getting those clock speeds higher. The cards come pre overclocked.

Kintarō Hattori

(Pssst) - Wizzard will kill you when he see's you've thought about using a Foxconn board!!!

G'ss I sell those in work and I can tell you no serious gamer or overclocker would even consider one for a moment!

Nema

eo980 wrote:

(Pssst) - Wizzard will kill you when he see's you've thought about using a Foxconn board!!!

G'ss I sell those in work and I can tell you no serious gamer or overclocker would even consider one for a moment!

Oh! Thanks for youre input but may i ask why you say know one would use it! and what board would you use, I'm going to be overclocking the hole sys as far as i can,Il be using a water cooling sys!. As i said i only want it for gaming, Like i want to be able to have MAX settings on all games and get 100FPS lol Money is not really a problem so any help you can offer il be thankfull

Nema

BloodBath wrote:

I'd go with 2 of these - http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/product.php?productid=18712

They choose the best cores and memory so you will have a better chance of getting those clock speeds higher. The cards come pre overclocked.

Thanks for youre time.

I am using a XFX 6800Ultra ATM and never had any problems with it,

I always liked XFX but what iv been reading the ASUS EN7800GTX/2DHTV/256M is ment to be the better card i maybe wrong,

Kintarō Hattori

Well if I was going for a board for gaming, then I'd have a look at what's available from DFI. Other than that I'm a BIG Abit fan.

Foxconn are a budget board basically. They are good boards for the average user, but they don't set the world on fire. They are good- just not great.

DublinWriter

Nema wrote:

Its not set in stone but you can see were im aiming! im going to go full towner and would like to use a water cooling sys so i can overclock the BIT*H

Sure, why run the risk of turning €2,500 worth of CPU into 5 cent worth of scrap metal.

Do you have any idea of the amount of heat and noise that thing would generate?

It's a complete waste of money unless you are planning on rendering something like Toy Story in real time.

...plus, it'll only be worth about €500 in a couple of years time.

I think the suggestion about going out for a bike-ride was the best.

Sparky

DublinWriter wrote:

Sure, why run the risk of turning €2,500 worth of CPU into 5 cent worth of scrap metal.

Do you have any idea of the amount of heat and noise that thing would generate?

It's a complete waste of money unless you are planning on rendering something like Toy Story in real time.

...plus, it'll only be worth about €500 in a couple of years time.

I think the suggestion about going out for a bike-ride was the best.

i have to agree with this.

Its a serious waste of money IMO, and the OP is spending it in a sector that what was new tech. is now dated in a fortnight, if the OP spends more time on buying parts that will do the job for at least a yr he could spend the rest on a decent Hi Def Tv or something, but tbh its like getting half your money and setting it on fire.
Id understand if its the kind of thing that will pay its self off, but it sounds like the OP has a bit of cash to get rid off.

Total waste of money

Nema

DublinWriter wrote:

Sure, why run the risk of turning €2,500 worth of CPU into 5 cent worth of scrap metal.

Do you have any idea of the amount of heat and noise that thing would generate?

It's a complete waste of money unless you are planning on rendering something like Toy Story in real time.

...plus, it'll only be worth about €500 in a couple of years time.

I think the suggestion about going out for a bike-ride was the best.

to clear something up lol i own a bike a Yamaha R1 costum , Second i only want a PC to play Games on, Ok so any help you can offer would be great, I aiming for something like 2x 7800 GTX o/c in SLI on a nice board with like 2GB of kingston ram. i dont know what sound card or anything else really.

Any links t sites with parts i can read on or any help at all would be cool!!

I dont know what more to say www.slizone.com is a nice site so il maybe just get everything from there id like to order **** by end of today or first thing tomorow! thanks again

JPA

Did you win the Lotto or something?

That case alone costs €842!!!

You can't justify spending that much. It'll be out of date anyway in 6 months.

Nema

JPA wrote:

Did you win the Lotto or something?

That case alone costs €842!!!

You can't justify spending that much. It'll be out of date anyway in 6 months.

Yes i know, Look nevermind the money for a min, What do you think of This mobo

Ok so far im getting 2x 7800GTX,
I have my towner,
I know what HDD im getting,
I have my PSU,
I have my CPU, AMD duel core 4800

I only need to get my Ram, i was going to go with kingston, and i need a good watercooling sys! also need a nice soundcard and one or two more things! So if you can give me any info

Thanks

JPA

Since money is no object, this is probably the best sound card.

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=312207&cks=PRL

Nema

OK this is what i have so far!


Mobo

CPU

HDD

Case and PSU

7800 GTX x2

RAM

Thats what i maybe getting what do you all think ?
I also need a good watercooling SYS to keep it all cool! any thoughts?

Alvis

Any watercooling will do. Just get your butlers to fill the reservoir with ice about once every half an hour...

Sorry (couldn't resist)

maidhc

@OP
I suspect you might get more informed replies to your queries on more specialised websites. I would imagine very few people who frequent board.ie would be particularly in the know about the sort of equipment you are looking at. I think most people would consider 2k enough to spend on a machine and would prefer to spend the surplus on something else (even if they just won the euromillions).

Even if you are hellbent on spending 10k, the fact is nothing will run any better than on a decent spec gaming machine (like you have already).

Having said all that its great someone is willing to fund the R&D of the latest kit for us mere mortals to enjoy in 3-6 months time

Nema

Alvis wrote:

Any watercooling will do. Just get your butlers to fill the reservoir with ice about once every half an hour...

Sorry (couldn't resist)

lol, butlers

....

Im just a normal tom dick or harry!!

Nema

maidhc wrote:

@OP
I suspect you might get more informed replies to your queries on more specialised websites. I would imagine very few people who frequent board.ie would be particularly in the know about the sort of equipment you are looking at. I think most people would consider 2k enough to spend on a machine and would prefer to spend the surplus on something else (even if they just won the euromillions).

Even if you are hellbent on spending 10k, the fact is nothing will run any better than on a decent spec gaming machine (like you have already).

Having said all that its great someone is willing to fund the R&D of the latest kit for us mere mortals to enjoy in 3-6 months time

I never said i was anything major, im just a normal gamer that love gaming, as well as riding my R1!!! but i only came here to ask for some thoughts on what i was about to do, yes im going to spend a lot of money on a PC but it will be something il be able to upgrade every year " 6months " Its something il be bring to the lan and **** there is a lan on the 29/10 in Dublin, more info will be given soon

WizZard

OK, my input.... (saying this in a Perry from Scrubs voice)

OK, Nema, you want to have _the best_ system in Ireland. You won't. Not now, perhaps never. The reason I say this is that you think that by spending more that everyone else you get _the best_. This is, quite simply, bullshit.
Your claim to fame could be that you spent X thousands of euros on this system, but hey that's something, right?

On an unlimited budget, and for _the best_ system I would use the following components:

DFI LanParty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert - available November
AMD Athlon64 FX-57
XFX GeForce 7800GTX Extreme Overclocked Edition (x 2)
WD Raptor 74GB
OCZ Powerstream 600W SLI
OCZ PC4000 2gb Kit / Mushkin XP4000 1gb (or OCZ VX PC4000 1gb) / OCZ PC5000 DFI nF4 Special Edition 1gb

Then, after buying that hardware I would start thinking about overclocking it. You still want the best, right? I'm going to take that as saying you want the highest possible overclock for your system.

See those RAM kits I've mentioned - I have all of them. They're the best available for overclocking, depending on what you want to achieve.
The 2GB kit give a mediocre (perhaps 230-250 FSB) overclock, but it's nice for day to day running. The PC5000 Special is for 1:1 overclocking and to get highest bandwidth on memory. The VX (or Mushkin) is for the ultra tight timings at the expense of having to shoot a load of voltage through the sticks and the resultant heat.
You won't get any kind of an overclock with 4 x 1gb sticks of RAM - especially not the Corsair XMS which are optimised for Intel systems.

For the highest overclock you would want to cool your components down as much as possible - if money is no object I would suggest two triple stage cascades. One for the CPU and one for both graphics cards. You can use a waterchiller on the chipset, if required.
Liquid nitrogen with custom towers would also be an option for the CPU/GPUs.

You might be unlucky and get a bad chip, either one of the GPU's or the CPU. Shamino, who currently has the highest 3DMark05 score in the world, and his peers often go through several chips/cards before they find the ones that are the best overclockers.

However, you want to be portable so you'll be left with a watercooling setup - not optimal but hey...
In that case I would suggest a custom DangerDen/Cathar kit.
Get Cathar to make you up one of his solid silver Storm G5 blocks for the CPU.You won't find these in the shops as they are generally once off editions.
For each of the graphics cards I would suggest a low profile Maze4 GPU chipset. Run at least 2 loops, each cooled by a triple BIX radiator with Delta/Panaflow fans. I would sugest

You'll need a big case to house all these so I would suggest a Lian Li or Coolermaster stacker. The pro's choice, to be honest. That thing you've picked out is horrible - in my opinion.

The case will need plenty of cooling as these components will run hot when overclocked. You will most likely need active cooling for your RAM. You need an adjustable power supply as you'll probably need to manually adjust the rails to push your system further - some components will need more than the rated voltage to reach peak speed/performance. Youre power supply will need to be able to handle all this voltage too.

Don't expect any of this to be easy to transport - I'd suggest you get a van along with the components if you plan on going to many LANs.

You have specified a dual core CPU earlier. These are not good overclockers, but can be improved by removing the IHS, especially if you intend on running it on water.

This, and more, is what is required to be the best. It is not simply a matter of buying the most expensive product on the market.

</end rant>. </end Perry voice>
/me takes breath

Now, on to what would probably suit you. My take on you is that you are someone who has very little tech knowledge, but enjoys gaming and is not afraid to get his hands a little dirty. Please correct me if I'm wrong (and don't use the "LOL, OMG ur so rong !11one!eleven" type of response please)

You want to be able to play all the latest games with the highest possible graphics settings and be the envy of your friends. You would like to overclock, though not to extremes.

So, you should go for mid to high-end equipment.

Suggestions:
AMD Athlon64 X2 4800+ (For bragging rights only. FX-55/57 is where it's at for gaming)
ASUS A8N SLi Premium
OCZ PC4000 2GB Kit
XFX GeForce 7800TX Extreme OC (x 2)
Western Digital Raptor 74GN (x 2 in RAID 0)
Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty Edition
Plextor 716SA
OCZ Powerstream 600W SLI


You should be able to get a moderate (~10-20%) overclock on these with a minimum of hassle.

Cooling:
DangerDen D5 Pump
Swiftech Storm G4 (Cathar design)
DangerDen Maze4 Low Profile GPU blocks (x 2)
DangerDen Maze4 A8N chipset block
Triple BIX
1/2 or 3/8 inch tubing
5-1/4" Dual Bay Reservoir

Case:
Your choice (I'd recommend the CM Stacker or the Lian Li PC-7x or V series full towers.

Remember, you can't use dual monitors in SLI (IIRC) so don't go getting two 30" Apple Cinema displays to show off your wealth.

Kintarō Hattori

*Sigh*

Wizzard- You are the man!

I hang my head in shame my own mediocre knowledge!

Nema

First i would like to thank you for the time it must have taken you to do that SA!, Second i would like to talk to you maybe on the phone or MSN if you had time, If you agree can you send me youre phone number or MSN addy in a PM and il contact you again thanks.

MrScruff

Im going to use two Raptors and il say 4GB of ram

And your just going to play games on it?!

This is like buying a Ferrari and just using the ciggarette lighter in it...

Cabaal

dbfarrell wrote:

to be honest..sounds a bit much..what are you planning to do with it??? launch some sort of craft into space???

hmm don't know about that
Nasa have managed for years with very old hardware
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002may/chi20020514011664.htm