northside and rail transport, luas, metro

dbyrne

I was looking at the maps of blanch and castleknock and after while i noticed that all the proposed land in clonsilla, riverwood, etc were based on the line being upgraded, the stations being increased and the creation of the metro. the metro was even featured in the council maps. i know that in local papers there has been some comments on one of the developers no giving over money or developing some of the stations as promised.

If you have been on the luas in inchicore to red cow or if you go to the south of spain the link between malage and fuengerola linking the airport makes some sense to below

Do the government no own the land that runs along side the m50, m1, proposed m3, n2, n4 etc. Why cannot they, for example, run an outer rail line that runs alongside the m50 and goes under each of the junctions, or a few hundred meters inside or outside the junctions to service the population.
For example using the northside of the city (the side of the city inwhich if i drove a car i would spend my life looking at other miserable people, thank god for motorbikes). Taking it in sections

Section 1: Lucan (ok i know southside) to blanchardstown: go from the liffey valley/ adamstown accross the liffey, via bridge either along side the m50 bridge or somewhere in the liffey valley (there is an old bridge there on you way from lucan village to castleknock, quiet run down though)) to the northside of the city, stopping in blanchardstown shopping centre

Section 2: Blanch to finglas from blanch, go down throught the hospital grounds (with a station in the hospital) to run alongside m50 to finglas interchange. why not make a big park and ride service on the n2 just above finglas? makes sense.

Section 2 b: with the addition of the dunboyne/navan spur commuters could get off at blanch, jump on the metro/dart/new rail thingy (whatever you want to call it) and get to the airport, or get to work in finglas

Section 3: Finglas to ballymun: again this can alongside the m50 to ballymun interchange, could service the ikea centre, ballymun village, etc

Section 4: ballymun to airport: leaving ballymun oh my god look your beside an international airport, imagine that spur off to swords maybe, the airport

Section 5a: Irish rail plan to link the airport to the dart line, ok there a few bob saved as ir already have the railway line for alot of the track

section 5 b: cannot think of a one except a stupid metro which would be crazy.

The southside would be a little more tricky as the estates are built up to the m50 in most places, but there is a lovely grass verge in the middle that could be used, like they have in the states, or like the naas road between inchicore and the red cow!

any ideas or am i mad

all in all, the governement under its various depts owns alot of the land curretly and this cost would not be incurred as it could be moved from dept to dept

MarkoP11

you might want to have a good look at this

http://www.dto.ie/platform.pdf

Have a look at the metro we were supposed to get, its seems to match a lot of what you are saying

There is a reserved alignment from Tallaght to Blanchardstown, from Dunsink/Pelletstown from the Maynooth line to the Airport, from Grange Rd to the Airport

There already is a rail alignment from Dublin to Navan via Clonsilla

Flukey

There definitely should be an M50-styled rail line the whole way around the city. the current Luas line to Sandyford should be extended right out to Bray. There should be a link direct from Sandyford to Tallaght and on around the city linking all the industrial estate belt and on to Dublin Airport and then on to the Dublin Belfast line. In theory then someone living in north Wicklow and working in Ballymount or Finglas etc. could get on a train from Bray and go their place of work. Whatever about linking the current two Luas lines in the city centre, they should definitely be linked at their other ends as part of that line.

Going further, a Dublin to Navan line should be continued on to Derry to fill that ridiculous mainline rail gap between the Dublin - Sligo line and the Dublin - Belfast line. There is a huge part of the country there with no proper rail service and that should be addressed. A Dublin to Derry line could be part of a scheme for other lines to serve that area like a Sligo - Belfast line and/or a Galway - Belfast line. The Western Corridor should be fully reopened and continued up from Sligo into Donegal - to finally give it some rail - and on to Derry. There would be opportunities for smaller spurs off these mainline rail lines to serve other major towns in these areas. Now that the political situation in the North is more stable, a crossborder project to help serve north Leinster and mid and west Ulster by rail should be undertaken.

dowlingm

Well, if you start at the airport spur, continue west to the Navan line, barrel on down to and over/under the Maynooth line, pass through Lucan and over/under the Kildare line and the LUAS line, that's a big chunk of it right there.

To finish it you could maybe run heavy rail from Shanganagh to Cherrywood but continue westward and merely interchange with LUAS terminating there and maybe the extension of the Dublin Airport DARTmetro through Harolds Cross terminating between the two LUAS lines again at the orbital line.

Alternatively you could run trains down the middle of the outer orbital route - if it was planned from now (bridges etc) it would probably be doable.

dbyrne

well by using the new bridge in castleknock at clonsilla village you could go over the maynooth line without disrupting any of the services during most of the construction. this could be done similary to the naas line etc. like the red cow idea of sticking the luas on stilts.

If you have been to spain the fuengerola to malaga line goes under the towns and then when it gets out of the main streets goes back on the surface or on stilts.

even using the land that they are going to have to purchase and use for the outer ring road as shown in the link http://www.dto.ie/platform.pdf you can easly see that it would be possible if teflon bertie would do something about it. the man of the people doesnt understand the we need transport and proper transport not this rubbish that we are getting. The luas works, people are happy with it, the port tunnel will work, ok the supertrucks won fit but look at all the other trucks that it will take off the streets.

unfortunetly the cost of a feesability study would only be done by a private company like the one who wanted to build the metro. this means that even if this was the greatest transport system since the wheel unless there was someone to do a study it would never be done. Irish rail would be the best i think for using a dart or highspeed service on these routes but again red tape and too many civil cerents would never let that happen.

anyone got any spare cash?

MorningStar

From what is suggested I don't see any great benifits to the Northside. It mostly seems to be the west and we still don't have a decent transport link (rail) to the airport. I must be missing something but it looks like they are intentionally try to cause the dounghnut effect of the city.