Why flight 815?

sephirosis

can any crazed maniac fan post a definitive list as to why exactly each of the main characters were on flight 815? like their reason for being in oz in the first place, and the circumstances that brought them to be on that specific plane. im hoping some form of pattern might emerge

Stompbox

Yes if you watched all the flashbacks you would know their reasons for being in Oz

sephirosis

Sweet wrote:

Yes if you watched all the flashbacks you would know their reasons for being in Oz

>_< cant really argue with that logic, i guess im just a little lazy. i have a fairly good idea of why they were actually in australia from the flashbacks, im more interested in the specifics of how they came to be on flight 85. i know for a few of the characters (eg claire, sayid), but i hoped someone more observant than me could do a definitive list.

qz

Jack - Went to find his father in Sydney. Found him in a morgue and was bringing him back home for his funeral.

Sayid - Was blackmailed by the CIA (I think it's them) to find out the location of some stolen explosives. They promised him details of how to meet Nadia, so he was going from Sydney to LA to find her.

Locke - Was going on his adventure trip except he was denied. So he was just going home.

Walt and Michael - Michael went out to Sydney to find his son Walt and take custody over him. He was taking him back home to LA.

Shannon and Boone - Boone went out to Sydney to find Shannon, she had called him saying she was in trouble. They were both heading back home on Flight 815.

Charlie - went out to Australia to convince his borther to re-form Driveshaft with him, but he said no, so Charlie was returning home.

Jin and Sun - Jin was told by Mr. Paik (his boss \ Sun's dad) to deliver a watch to one of Paik's associates in LA. Don't know what they were doing in Sydney in the first place.

Clairle - Lived in Sydney (duh!) and had that meeting with the psychic. He told her that there was a couple waiting to adopt her child in LA, he even paid for her plane tickets, but he knew that the plane was going to crash. He wanted only her to raise the child.

Hurley - Not too sure what he was doing in Sydney, maybe on holidays, but I could be wrong.

Sawyer - Went to Sydney to kill the man that conned his parents. He was then deported back to LA on flight 815.

Kate - On the run, got caught, on the way back to the US.

jonnybadd

Did Sun and Jin not have to deliver two watches to Mr. Paiks associates? One in Sydney and one in LA?

sephirosis

ok so from above:

kate was on 815 because she was brought by the marshall
sayid was put on 815 by the fbi (or whoever)
claire was put on 815 by the psychic
jin and sun put on 815 by mr paik
sawyer put on 815 by australian authorities
locke on 815 as he was denied his adventure trip

what im really trying to get at is that none of the survivors (that i can think of) were on the plane of their own accord (ie none of them seemed to have the flight pre booked in advance as one would with a holiday. they all seem to be on 815 due to exceptional circumstances that could be manipulated by someone.)
we already see - ******SPOILER FOR IRE AND UK!!!......SERIOUSLY DONT LOOK UNLESS YOU HAVE SEEN SERIES 2 EPISODE 1******

again i warn ire/uk viewers to not look (i think this is fair warning).... the link between the island and the real life of the survivors has already been shown with jack and desmond, so maybe the very reason they were all on 815 was that they were put there by someone. and i mean someone specific, not "fate" or "the island". the emblem on desmonds clothing could suggest a link with mr paik??

robinph

qz wrote:

Hurley - Not too sure what he was doing in Sydney, maybe on holidays, but I could be wrong.

Hurley had gone out to Oz to find the other bloke that had heard the radio message with the guy from the mental institution.

sephirosis wrote:

what im really trying to get at is that none of the survivors (that i can think of) were on the plane of their own accord (ie none of them seemed to have the flight pre booked in advance as one would with a holiday. they all seem to be on 815 due to exceptional circumstances that could be manipulated by someone.)

Except for Hurley who only made the flight by some series of flukes. His alarm didn't wake him up, his car broke down or ran out of petrol (i forgot which), he was late arriving at the airport, he arrived at the wrong terminal, they then charged him for two seats, he then paid some old bloke for his electric cart and then he had to sweet talk the people at the gate to let him on the plane as the flight had already closed.

Who ever was trying to get everyone else to the island, didn't want Hurley there.

tvnutz

jonnybadd wrote:

Did Sun and Jin not have to deliver two watches to Mr. Paiks associates? One in Sydney and one in LA?

That is true,he had to deliver 2 watches,one to Sydney,and then on to LA,and it is why he only has one watch left as well.

saintsaucey

Because the flight was from sydney to la. He delivered the one in sydney and then was onto la. Don't forget that Sayid had the Feds change his flight, so that he could accept his friends body so it wouldn't be creamated. If not for that then Sayid would have been on a different flight.

People who could have avoided fate.
Hurley-The car the alarm going to the wrong check in counter all these things could have kept him from the flight
Sayid-he was supposed to be on a much earlier flight but chose to stay and accept his friends body for relegious reasons
Sun-She was supposed to runway but chose to stay with her husband
Charley-His brother asked him to stay with him and his wife but he chose to leave because he was angry with his brother.
Jack-The airport almost kept him from the flight because of impropper paper work but he either left his dads body and just brought the coffin or somehow he got them to agree.

People who had fate forced apon them.
Kate-The US marshal arranged the flight not her
Michael-Brian brought the three tickets one for Michael to fly to sydney and one each for michael and walt to leave sydney. kinda makes you wonder why he didn't just bring walt to la him self.
Walt-he didn't want to leave the only man he knew as dad. Brian and Michael both forced him
Locke-He was all set to go on a walk about but they wouldn't let him and flew him back to la at their expense
Claire-we all know that er psycic saw the plane crash coming, knew that she would survive and have to raise the baby alone.
Sawyer-Sydney kicked him out of the country they even paid for his airfair. Teaches you not to head but a state official doesn't it.

That's my theory anyways

I'm not sure where JIN Shannon or Boone fit in to all that but there you have it.

Stompbox

Jin was on a delivery mission for Mr.Paik.

Phat Chance

Boone was bringing Shannon back to their mother.

Jin and Sun were going on their honeymoon or escaping together, I'm not sure which but it is either of those two. The watch belonged to Sun's father and he wanted it kept safe so he ordered that it be delivered to a contact in LA

robinph

Phat Chance wrote:

Boone was bringing Shannon back to their mother.

Jin and Sun were going on their honeymoon or escaping together, I'm not sure which but it is either of those two. The watch belonged to Sun's father and he wanted it kept safe so he ordered that it be delivered to a contact in LA

I dont know whats so special about these watches yet that they need to be delivered in person, but Sun was supposed to escape from Jin in Sydney and bottled out at the last moment. And also Sun did not know that Jin was planning on the both of them escaping from Suns father on arrival in the US, but then the plane hit a spot of bad weather.

mewso

robinph wrote:

Except for Hurley who only made the flight by some series of flukes. His alarm didn't wake him up, his car broke down or ran out of petrol (i forgot which), he was late arriving at the airport, he arrived at the wrong terminal, they then charged him for two seats, he then paid some old bloke for his electric cart and then he had to sweet talk the people at the gate to let him on the plane as the flight had already closed.

Who ever was trying to get everyone else to the island, didn't want Hurley there.

Hurley is jinxed so how does that fit. His jinx only ever affected others so maybe he should not have been on the flight so that the jinx would correctly affect everyone else except him. But then the numbers are important to him and the island obviously has alot to do with the numbers so he gets on the flight even though he shouldn't by rights have made it. So he was meant to be on the flight no matter what??? Man this series is great because of the questions. I can't get rid of the felling that when we get the answers it'll be a big anti-climax and we'll all lose interest.

Madge

The woman at the last checkout let Hurley through (remember she called up the attendants? on the phone).... perhaps she was told by *someone* to let him through? He was EXPECTED...
The producers just set up all his mishaps on the way & into the airport etc to fool us..

Fridge

Well he would be expected seeing as they'd have a flight manifest at the desk. And he was probably flying First Class too.

robinph

Fridge wrote:

Well he would be expected seeing as they'd have a flight manifest at the desk. And he was probably flying First Class too.

...and as he has just paied them double whatever fare it was that he was charged for having two seats, I guess they have to be a bit nice to him by the itme he's sweated his way to the gate.

anotherlostie

To follow up on the point that Hurley was not meant to make the flight - he is the only one to whom the numbers had any significance, so his presence on the island might upset whatever plan there was for them?

Or maybe it was just to make the point that his bad luck usually affects those around him?

mathie

anotherlostie wrote:

he is the only one to whom the numbers had any significance, so his presence on the island might upset whatever plan there was for them?

Didn't Kate say that she was sold out for a reward of 23,000 dollars?
Maybe the numbers affected them all in a very subtle way throughout the whole series?

Actually just found this http://thelostnumbers1.greatestjournal.com/ to do with the numbers and series one (spoilers within).

M

Caked Karen

Hurley had to be on that flight so he wouldnt miss his mom's birthday. if he had gotten a later one he would have missed it.

RawrLostzilla

Hurley - Went to aussie to see a guy about the numbers.
- Alarm No Go
- Car No Go
- Ticket not good enough bought 2
- Line too long
- Paid 15 thou? for wheel chair
- Enjoys long walks on the beach and candle light dinner !
- It was his mommies BirthDay.

mathie

RawrLostzilla wrote:

Hurley - Went to aussie to see a guy about the numbers.
- Alarm No Go
- Car No Go
- Ticket not good enough bought 2
- Line too long
- Paid 15 thou? for wheel chair
- Enjoys long walks on the beach and candle light dinner !
- It was his mommies BirthDay.

16 thousand (yet another reference to the numbers)
M

qz

$1600 actually.

mathie

qz wrote:

$1600 actually.

Damn you qz. Ever since you got my Wipeout its been downhill
M

qz

mathie wrote:

Damn you qz. Ever since you got my Wipeout its been downhill
M

Ha! 145 gold medals, now a "purist".

Phat Chance

Damn. I wanted to get a picture of hurley fishing for a 'Man Of Bait' picture but the only one I can find doesn't work. Anyone else, feel free to use that one.