Moon Landing

sirgamblelot

Don't ya think hollywood might have done a better job faking the moon landing??Any1 with contrasting veiws or even better,agreements post it!

The Bollox

well do you really think America would spend millions or maybe even billions a year researching how to actually go to the moon if they could just make believe that they can? I mean either way ppl will say "oh my, mankind has landed on the moon" and what will happen, hypothetically, if we DO land on the moon next year? I mean will there be massive talk about it? no because everyone will be like "so what, we did that nearly 45 years ago" what are they gonna say "oh sorry, that was just a practice run"? I don't think so

billy the squid

ah, but you forget. america could claim that it cost millions, while at the same time sending those millions to nefarious projects elswhere within the establishment.

sirgamblelot, hang fire with the txt spk please.

The Bollox

but like I said, what happens when the day comes that mankind actualy manage to land on the moon, providing that we havent already done so and the government just pulled the wool over our eyes, how are they supposed to celebrate? they can'e say "OMFG!!! we pwn3d teh m00n" when we are 'supposedly' planning to land on Mars?

billy the squid

Marts wrote:

but like I said, what happens when the day comes that mankind actualy manage to land on the moon, providing that we havent already done so and the government just pulled the wool over our eyes, how are they supposed to celebrate? they can'e say "OMFG!!! we pwn3d teh m00n" when we are 'supposedly' planning to land on Mars?

how about this.

all they have to say is that they have discovered that it will be fifty years before they can even start considering a trip to mars. hopefully in that time people will have forgotten about trips to mars and returned to killing each other.

The Bollox

billy the squid wrote:

how about this.

all they have to say is that they have discovered that it will be fifty years before they can even start considering a trip to mars. hopefully in that time people will have forgotten about trips to mars and returned to killing each other.

and you think that''s a good thing?

personally, and sorry for going off topic for this but, [RANT]I think there will not be peace on Earth while human kind is here, I mean every species on this planet fights, but we are the only species that goes to war! we are one of three species that have sex for fun and reproduction than just the latter (dolphins and monkies do too). and every other species on earth evolves to adapt to its surroundings, we are the only species that change our surroundings to suit us![/RANT]

billy the squid

Marts wrote:

and you think that''s a good thing?

personally, and sorry for going off topic for this but, [RANT]I think there will not be peace on Earth while human kind is here, I mean every species on this planet fights, but we are the only species that goes to war! we are one of three species that have sex for fun and reproduction than just the latter (dolphins and monkies do too). and every other species on earth evolves to adapt to its surroundings, we are the only species that change our surroundings to suit us![/RANT]

no i do not think it is a good thing

I think that it is a bad thing, but those with the resources to send people to the moon would rather keep the money in their own pockets rather than do something that would benefit everyone else.

The Bollox

that's humans for ya, there is no such thing as a selfless task, it's impossible for a human to do one of these, FACT!!!

billy the squid

Marts wrote:

that's humans for ya, there is no such thing as a selfless task, it's impossible for a human to do one of these, FACT!!!

now that i will agree with.

Beer is Life

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After reading all that, i feel dumber for some reason. Go figure...

bus77

Instances of disbelief in the the moon landings went through the roof not to long ago. My theory on it is this. Just as we can somtimes place our trust, a 'leap of faith' in a leader. And all the baggage that come's with that, great future achievements, ect, ect
I think it can work the other way around.
There was a noticable rise in these types of conspiracies not long ago. The obvious events that are pointable too are 9/11 and the following invasions ect

So take my original 'Observation' about Faith/Trust in leadership, and the acompaning belief in future achievement.

Now reverse it. Lack of Faith/Trust in leadership. And the opposite of 'Future Achievements' are?

Edit: sry, not very conspiratorial. to tell's yous the truth, yous cound'nt handle my take on that whole senario

Kernel

Marts wrote:

every other species on earth evolves to adapt to its surroundings, we are the only species that change our surroundings to suit us!

Yes, and that's why we are the most successful and develop species on Earth. We probably would have gone the way of the Neanderthal if we couldn't change our surroundings.

Marts wrote:

that's humans for ya, there is no such thing as a selfless task, it's impossible for a human to do one of these, FACT!!!

Fact? Err... humans carry out selfless tasks all the time (and have done through recorded history), how many people have you heard of dying for another (possibly someone they don't even know), or giving freely of their time and resources to help another? You've a very low opinion of humanity brother.

The Bollox

Kernel wrote:

Fact? Err... humans carry out selfless tasks all the time (and have done through recorded history), how many people have you heard of dying for another (possibly someone they don't even know), or giving freely of their time and resources to help another? You've a very low opinion of humanity brother.

right, define for me a selfless task

Laguna

I personally don't believe that the U.S. landed on the moon in 1969. I believe they would have done anything and subsequently did, to trick the world into thinking that they won the race with the U.S.S.R to the moon. The video of Neil Armstrong taking his "One small step" is fabricated, lets face it, I remember when the original Playstation came out it was said to contain more technology than what took man to the moon, well, if they got to the moon on techonology comparable to a CD drive and 4mb of RAM, then they must be superheroes.

Reaver772

This has to be one of the least believable conspiracy theories out there. There has never been one single piece of hard evidence to support this conspiracy only wild accusations and everyone who believes in it seems to forget about the massive amount of evidence supporting the Apollo program like the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment, 300+ kilos of lunar rock. Whenever the VLT project gets around to taking some pictures of the lander base sections still on the moon im sure that there will be claims that the images are fake or Nasa put them there in the early 90's etc.

Kernel

Marts wrote:

right, define for me a selfless task

Any task undertook by an individual without the prospect of reward or personal gain. I would have thought that was pretty obvious?

Reaver772 wrote:

This has to be one of the least believable conspiracy theories out there. There has never been one single piece of hard evidence to support this conspiracy only wild accusations and everyone who believes in it seems to forget about the massive amount of evidence supporting the Apollo program like the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment, 300+ kilos of lunar rock.

I wouldn't exactly say there is no evidence......... http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Also, why has Neil Armstrong refused to talk about the moon landings at all in recent years? Buzz Aldrin was a freemason, and later suffered with depression and alcoholism, and refused to take an oath to swear he had walked on the moon (admittedly, the guy who asked him to swear the oath was a but unconventional in his approach...).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong

I'm not saying that they didn't make it to the moon, if they did, they were damn lucky, and I would say that there are definitely some anomolies that suggest it is a worthy conpiracy theory.

Interestingly, at the moment, there is no rocket on Earth capable of reaching the moon, although another foray onto it's surface is planned around 2020.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3395165.stm

The Bollox

Kernel wrote:

Any task undertook by an individual without the prospect of reward or personal gain. I would have thought that was pretty obvious?

indeed, but how can a person perform a selfless task then?

when you do something good, that you know in your heart helped someone you get that warm tingling feeling, that is personal gain, also you might do it to secure a place in Heaven, that is also personal gain.

now lets take a scenario: you tumping onto a live grenade to save your general, what most ppl would define as a selfless task. you would comfort yourself by telling yourself you will be remembered above all the other soldiers who died in the fight because you gave your life to save the general. that is personal fulfillment AND personal gain, you would go to heaven for giving up your life to save someone elses

Lafortezza

Marts wrote:

right, define for me a selfless task

Donating blood?

Kernel

Marts wrote:

indeed, but how can a person perform a selfless task then?

People do it every day in this world. I have done selfless things in the past, didn't think it would get me into heaven and didn't get any feelgood factor from it, indeed some selfless tasks have been detrimental to me and made me feel bad. But I'd still do them again.

Marts wrote:

when you do something good, that you know in your heart helped someone you get that warm tingling feeling, that is personal gain, also you might do it to secure a place in Heaven, that is also personal gain.

With all due respect, you're talking nonsense and semantics here. Atheists cannot commit a selfless task as defined? And people who suffer death as a result of their selfless tasks don't get any warm tingly feeling, they get dead.

Sometimes people just do the right thing and commit a selfless action because thats the kind of people they are. Unless conscience and good character can be defined as selfishness under your theory?

sirgamblelot

i found someone with my veiws also at last.Because the states wanted to win the race of the superpowers they stooped very low and anything they claim in the future has to come under some very serious examination before it can be deemed to be true.This is njothing to do with faith this is either fact or fiction.How do we know the pictures of Mars are real??the can do some amazing things on computers nowadays!!anyone who doesnt share my beliefs has just been sucked in like half the population of the world to thinking that the states are the best country in the universe!!i just hope yous see the light before its too late.

The Bollox

Kernel wrote:

Unless conscience and good character can be defined as selfishness under your theory?

humans are characteristically selfish. that's how wars came about someone wants more then they should have or deserve

bus77

Marts wrote:

humans are characteristically selfish. that's how wars came about someone wants more then they should have or deserve

Somtimes it's becase they think others have or want more than they deseve,

sirgamblelot

i thought this had something to do with a moon landing??why are we talking bout what people deserve and whay they start wars??come on guys lets stick to the topic at hand.

Kernel

sirgamblelot wrote:

i thought this had something to do with a moon landing??why are we talking bout what people deserve and whay they start wars??come on guys lets stick to the topic at hand.

Marts and I are government disinformation specialists and took the thread off on a tangent because we don't want you people to get too close to the truth..... Here, want some lunar rock??

billy the squid

i'll be the judge of that sirgamblealot

What I believe the point being made here is that which would have been more important, The US carrying out a selfless act of going to the moon for the betterment of human kind, or pretending to go to the moon to reap a shedload of money for certain government department and spending it in places other than where it was intended.

kernel: back on topic please