How would you play this

ianmc38

Dealt pocket Qs.

Blinds are 25-50. Stacks range from 800-1200, you're sitting on 950 and in late position. UTG preflop raises to 300, next player reraises to 600. 1 caller and everyone else folds. So it's your call with 3 players in and blinds yet to call.

It's extremely early in the game so there hasn't been a chance to pick up on anyones style of play.

What do you do?

Einstein

personally I'd call the 600...seeing how the flop goes, and how the betting continues you can decide to lay down or not.
I could be completley wrong though...

Ste05

Divers wrote:

personally I'd call the 600...seeing how the flop goes, and how the betting continues you can decide to lay down or not.
I could be completley wrong though...

Completely wrong IMHO, you only have 950 left. so a call will leave you with 350 and 2 players. No No No.

You either push or fold, I'd fold here though...
EDIT:
3 players :eek: I missed the next call - that's some crazy game....

jimbling

worst case your up against AA or KK... best case your up against AK (unless your playing with a load of fish). You only have two options... go all in or fold.

I would fold, I see no reason to get involved in a race like this.

I don't think calling is a good option... you'd be calling for 2/3rds your stack.... just go all in if you want to play the hand.

Einstein

it's all good...I like learning lessons!

Imposter

What is the game? (A 5$ STT, 500$ STT, MTT?)
A 20$ or less STT or MTT i'm all-in, otherwise fold.

Iago

agree with Imposters thinking...you'ld be amazed what passes for good hands at that level

Waylander

I'd go all in here and hope there are no Aces or Kings out there. I would be fairly sure the caller does not have a pair, probably AK. If it does turn out to be a race I think at least two of the other players will be covering each others outs, and you are getting 3-1 on a race situation. If AA or KK are out there so be it.

ianmc38

It was a $10 STT. I reraised all-in. Next to me called. So 4 player showdown.

Original raise shows pocket cowboys
Reraise shows A/Jo
Next to me shows pocket 6s

A/J flops trip Aces.

I'm still not sure if I played the hand well or badly though. perhaps in hindsight i should have folded as i was up against at least one person holding big slick, even though i'd still have been favourite in a 1-1 showdown

Should the number of players involved in that pot have influenced my decision?

Washout

Imposter wrote:

What is the game? (A 5$ STT, 500$ STT, MTT?)
A 20$ or less STT or MTT i'm all-in, otherwise fold.

totally agree with this play. altough my limits are less.

Id go all in in a $10 or lower and fold otherwise. @ lower limits you always get some ppl going all in with A rag or low pocket pairs.
Isuppose you get that at the higher limits as well but less so. So the amount of the buy-in detrmines my choice.

Im sure we all have been in similar positions in the past and @ low buy-ins how many of you would honestly fold a pair of ladies?

Ste05

IMO yes, especially after the re-raise and call, at least one of these 3 must have AA or KK, unless it's a freeroll, otherwise you'd need to be fairly sure they are all maniacs.... Bad players get good cards sometimes....

EDIT: Reply to IanMC

And I would have folded here...

jtsuited

you were ahead preflop (which is slightly surprising!). So maybe it was a good call. Personally i'd fold queens to a raise and reraise. Although like what was said, it does depend on the level you're playing at.

Yup sorry. Too early in the day for me to be paying attention. I so stupid!!
But still an easy fold anyway.

Ste05

he was never ahead, original raiser had KK???

ianmc38

Was down by a mile preflop to KK

NickyOD

Everything about this hand screams a fold to me. You've got to put the either reraiser or the caller on AA/KK. EVen if you throw in AK its still a fold.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 17.2468 % 15.50% 01.75% { 99+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 34.3704 % 30.66% 03.72% { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 20.5740 % 17.36% 03.22% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 4: 27.8087 % 27.07% 00.74% { QQ }

peeko

ianmc38 wrote:

Should the number of players involved in that pot have influenced my decision?

This is a key point IMO, the reraise would have had me folding.

ianmc38

How do "99+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo " have the same odds. Surely with 99 there are only 2outs aginst QQ. A/Q has 3, K/Q 3 etc. (in terms of pairing up, not straight or flush chances).

Ste05

They are hand ranges, not different hands. They are what you'd expect your opponents to be holding..
i.e. {KK+, AKs AKo} there are 4 possible hands AA KK AKs AKo

ianmc38

Well i think in retrospect, folding would probably have been the better option. i've had similar situations where my 2 callers have ben something like 77 and JJ so i did think i was lookinbg at combo of A/K, A/Q, A/J and a mid-range pocket pair. That said, so early in a STT without having a read on the players, I would probably have been better folding rather than committing all my chips as even a showdown vs big slick is probably not worth it that earli in a STT even if you are marginally ahead preflop.

It is all a learning curve though. Next time i might play the ladies differently.

Madmike

I would think about two things; what you believe the other two players have. it is highly unlikely that both players have AA, KK respect fully its more likely they have AK AQ or paired 10's or 9's.

Also on those blinds, the bets are more than likely designed in trying to steal so i would go all in...

If you pussy out with QQ you may as well not play poker because you will pussy out on most good opening cards.

Poker is aggressive game and QQ should be played that way...

Ste05

Madmike wrote:

I would think about two things; what you believe the other two players have. it is highly unlikely that both players have AA, KK respect fully its more likely they have AK AQ or paired 10's or 9's.

Also on those blinds, the bets are more than likely designed in trying to steal so i would go all in...

If you pussy out with QQ you may as well not play poker because you will pussy out on most good opening cards.

Poker is aggressive game and QQ should be played that way...

Afraid you're dead wrong there m8 - playing good poker is knowing when to lay down hands like QQ in situations like this.

If none of these 3 players have AA or KK then if they play like this - you'll get their chips later in much better spots than this - why risk it with a 50:50???

EDIT:

Added in Quote for clarity

jtsuited

if you pussy out with queens to a raise and a significant reraise???? Are you insane? Please feel free to tell us what name you play under online!!

NickyOD

Madmike wrote:

I would think about two things; what you believe the other two players have. it is highly unlikely that both players have AA, KK respect fully its more likely they have AK AQ or paired 10's or 9's.

Also on those blinds, the bets are more than likely designed in trying to steal so i would go all in...

If you pussy out with QQ you may as well not play poker because you will pussy out on most good opening cards.

Poker is aggressive game and QQ should be played that way...

WTF?

Ste05

jtsuited wrote:

if you pussy out with queens to a raise and a significant reraise???? Are you insane? Please feel free to tell us what name you play under online!!

Huh, me????