Can anyone recommend an energy healer?

cltt97

Hi there,

I'm looking for a good energy healer in Dublin. Someone who really has a natural talent and knows what they're doing. If anyone can recommend someone from personal experience please send me their contact details.
Thanks,
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Victor

Try this crowd.

John

Victor wrote:

Try this crowd.

Lol, and here was me going to make some sarky remark. Hats off to you Victor.

Pet

Do you mean reiki, or crystal massage, or what? Be a bit more specific..

Capt'n Midnight

Since this is part of the Science Forum I'll list all known scientifically validated energy healers in Dublin.








For those outside Dublin use the following list instead.





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cltt97

Hi,

I've never tried reiki, I suppose I'm too sceptical since it can be learnt so easily and quickly (2 day courses...)
I've been to some guy down the country who can immediately see what's wrong with you and senses how you feel and stuff. He might do some adjustments or just put his hands onto you, which are always very hot... I've also been to some other guy who uses kinesiology techniques, but he's in the middle of nowhere also. And then I've had bi-aura done, which I quite liked, but generally I think I prefer healers that have a natural talent rather than people that have learned it - although I believe that you can learn it, from experience I must say that people who just "got it" without ever wanting to have it make the best, and most effective healers. Also, they usually don't charge you! Although I don't mind paying...

John

Oh so you were serious :eek:

DrIndy

Energy healing = quackery - there is nil greater response than the placebo response and as such is a waste of time

snorlax

it has to be said though that energy healing may mean relaxation for some people. In physiological terms this means stimulation of the Parasympathetic/ autonomic nervous system.

see articles below;

1) pyschological effects of muscle relaxation on Juvenil Delinquents

2) Behavioral treatment of debilitating test anxiety among medical students.

3) Management of Insomnia in patients with chronic Pain condititons

4) Progressive Muscle Relaxation, Yoga stretching and ABC Relaxation Theory

5) Individual Trait Anxiety level charachterizing the properties of Meditation

routinely OT's would perscribe relaxation for those who suffer from anxiety disorders like phobias etc. it can also be useful for those who get stressed out easily in life and mightn't necessarily have a specfic illness. everybody get's stressed out from time to time and it works as as a preventative measure to prevent the person getting even more stressed and the possible resultant effects on their mental and physical wellbeing.

relaxation, or to alter the subconscious can slow down the heart beat, relax tense muscles and allow the mind to focus better and be free from distractions. Reiki is just one relaxation approach which uses music and relaxation techniques to faciltate this process.

To the original poster; you may be better posting this under the spirtuality forum, Thaed will help you out there.

Victor

DrIndy wrote:

Energy healing = quackery - there is nil greater response than the placebo response and as such is a waste of time

But at the same time, even placebos can have a positive response.

Capt'n Midnight

Victor wrote:

But at the same time, even placebos can have a positive response.

Only when it's not know that they are placebos. That's the idea behind the double blind.

http://skepdic.com/placebo.html

Placebos have even been shown to cause unpleasant side effects. Dermatitis medicamentosa and angioneurotic edema have resulted from placebo therapy, according to Dodes. There are even reports of people becoming addicted to placebos.

DrIndy

Relaxation technique can be taught as just that - without masquerading it as pseudomedicine aka "energy healing", which it is not.

I do agree with snorlax, there are great benefits to this - I have used hypnosis occasionally on anxious patients when on call (and have the time) to help them to relax - it is really efficacious and also I strongly resist prescribing sleeping tablets unless there is no other option.

There has been a court case recently of an "alternative" medicine healer who resulted in a patient dying of a potentially curable cancer.

John

DrIndy wrote:

There has been a court case recently of an "alternative" medicine healer who resulted in a patient dying of a potentially curable cancer.

That's the most dangerous things about leading people to believe that you're healing them when all you're doing is taking their money and telling them what they want to hear. Plus the price to have someone wave their hands over you and talk about energies and white lights, it's really no different in my eyes to something like a pyramid scheme or some other scam.

snorlax

perphaps they should be used in cooperation rather then as a replacement to modern medicine.

in the same way thosands of people use drugs everyday such as Nicotene and alcohol to help them relax. Unfortunetly these may also have dangerous side effects such as narrowing of the blood vessels/ a lower sperm count and possible Addiction.

relaxation therapy is just another way of relaxing without the side effects. they're always going to be people who may potentially become too dependant on it to the detriment of refusing to make use of modern medicine (a small minority if any). but compared to some of the problems the health service is suffering as a result of alcohol abuse, dependence on alternative therapies is a benign one.

the massive market at the moment for alternative therapies just proves how stressed people get at modern living, and for the most part these can be beneficial, although i do disagree with using them as a money making racket.

John

I agree with you that something like that should be used in addition to medicine. However no matter how small the minority of people are who suffer because of they believe that this sort of thing heals them is still too many people. You can't market a tablet as having any beneficial effect unless it actually does have a beneficial effect so why should crystal healing be any different. It should be advertised as a relaxation technique and not as a healing technique.

snorlax

tablets are chemicals and thus may have more of an adverse side effect on the body then touching crystals. you would have to be a bit gullible to actually believe that touching crystals is actually going to cure you.

some therapies eg "energy healing" are marketed so that the general public is more likely to be quicker on it's uptake and the vunerable may be more likely to choose it over going to their GP. however it also has to be said that a lot of them follow similar principles, eg getting the person to relax/ close their eyes/ etc, i'd say more beneficial therapies then crystal therapy would be; reflexology/ massages/ listening to relaxing music or possibly acupuncture.
But i think that alternative therapies should be more tightly regulated and that they had a set of standards to follow (and have some proper research done into them). practitioners should have to be properly accredited by a generic organization, maybe by doing this they would achieve better recognition in the medical world. eg take alternative herbal treatments or vitamin supplements, these are areas that need to be more tightly regulated as they can be very dangerous if they are abused.

on another point everybody is different, even if they present with the same symptoms they may need to be treated differently.
in order for a practitioner to be good at what he/she does they need to be flexible in their approach. take depression for example, this can be brought on by social circumstances at home; therefore their intervention/ should address not only they're symptoms their experiencing but also their problems at home.

Victor

snorlax wrote:

tablets are chemicals and thus may have more of an adverse side effect on the body then touching crystals.

Dying from the original condition from not taking medication is usually worse than side effects.

A balanced position is complimentary medicine, not alternative medicine.

snorlax

but how many people actually are going to choose crystals over medicine as a cure? Again a standards body should regulate how these organisations market what their offering to help protect vunerable people.

i aggree that they should be marketed as a relaxation rather then a healing/ alternative therapy/ medicine, but people who are attracted to these sorts of things are often just looking for hope and instant results (or the belif that their life is going to get better).
as far as i know crystals are used by people in the belif that they will influence their financial/ love and or present health suituation. i'd say myself the benefits of crystal therapy are along the lines of helping to create a more positive pyschological mindframe especially in those who get stressed out alot by their circumstances going on in their own life and need some form of escapism. this should not be in replacement to drugs and companies should state clients availing of their services should continue seeing their GP/ availing of their perscriptions.

i don't honestly think that a person who was dying would pick alternative medicine over modern medicine if it was a life and death suituation. i think the majority of the market uses it as a way of maintaining hope/ positive mental wellbeing, especially if they have difficulties in their life.

John

snorlax wrote:

i don't honestly think that a person who was dying would pick alternative medicine over modern medicine if it was a life and death suituation. i think the majority of the market uses it as a way of maintaining hope/ positive mental wellbeing, especially if they have difficulties in their life.

There are people who would pick alternative medicine over modern medicine even when they are dying. Of course there's not many of them but they still exist. There are also people who will go to their healer first and only when things start going really bad do they visit their doctor only to be told it's too late. These things happen and it's unnecessary.

snorlax

but they'res always going to be people like that in society and if it wasn't alternative healing it could easily be something else, maybe even like drugs or alcohol.

i think the benefits of positive wellbeing for the majority that use them sensibly outweigh the minority that misuse them.

cltt97

Ok. I'm not into crystal healers myself, but then I've never been to one either, so I wouldn't want to comment. As for energy healers, there are good ones and there are bad ones, it's with every "trade". And as for GPs and consultants, I've probably met the most useless, exploiting and unskilled people ever. I spent a year of my life running from consultant to consultant, having X-rays, MRIs, bone-scans, you name it I had it, with no results, no help, nil. It cost me an arm and a leg as I would have had to wait a year for all the various appointments which was no use to me as I was unable to do anything I was in so much pain. So I went private all the way, to the so called specialists, who gave me 5 minutes for a good 130 Euros each time. I got anti-inflammatories, they gave me vertigo, then when I went back they wanted to give me tablets against vertigo... Thankfully I'm not that stupid.. I saw three of them, sought advice on the same problem and all three gave me different answers. The last one telling me to go to the pain clinic and get steroid injections... And that's when I had enough and started looking at alternative methods. And I was lucky enough to find an "energy healer" who did help me big time. I'm not saying I'm cured, but I have a life again. And only the odd bit of pain here and there. And it did take a while, too. I'm not aware of any healer who promises to cure you within one session, and I have never encountered anyone who would recommend you avoid conventional treatment or who promised they could work wonders for you. If I have learnt anything from this experience is that you have to take responsibility for yourself. That you cannot expect to go to a health care practitioner and expect them to help or cure you, because they don't. They don't have enough time either to look at all the issues. I got great help from alternative healers, I've encountered some I did not like so I did not go back to them, same as I wouldn't go back to that GP who wanted to treat me for vertigo....
It is easy for someone who has never been in a desperate or hopeless situation and who has exhausted all conventional routes to judge over people who ended up seeking relief form alternative methods. And if you have never tried one either, you should also not judge. And I'm not a weirdo hippie or somehting, in fact I am a scientist so I'm not easily fooled.
I posted this message here hoping to get some good recommendations, instead people have opted to make fun of my post or tried to patronize me with their wisdom. I don't think I have much interest in posting in this forum again.

snorlax

cltt97, i think the conversation strayed a little from you original post so don't take it too seriously it was more of a general debate/ discussion about compliementary/ alternative therapies. as you said you always have to be discerning.

you should give Reiki a try as it's very good for relaxation. try http://www.reiki.ie/frameset.htm, although i don't know which ones listed are the best.
why don't you post in Spirtuality?