nine way split! new hero alert!

Doc Farrell

I've been reading Barry Greenstein's site and its great fun. He has given various players signature tunes. Dan Harrington's is 'Like A Rock'. A lot of good reading to be had.

anyhow on Harrington's bio there is this anecdote:

When Dan made it to the final table of the 1995 World Series of Poker, he proposed a nine-way settlement to the other players. He explained how they would each get enough money that they could invest it and be rich. Chuck Thompson, one of the players and a friend of mine, rejected the idea and told the other players that this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make a million dollars. One by one, as each player got knocked out, Dan tried to sell the idea, even offering investment counseling. There were no takers and eventually Dan came away with the full million.

So if i propose a deal, remember what happened when they turned it down!

cheers, d.

Doc Farrell

btw 6 copiesof Greenstein's book will be in Hodges Figgis next week. They were delayed but are definitely due in the next few days. The shop (mise) has ordered 20 copies in total so there shouldnt be too much of a problem having a read of one in the travel section while drinking a decent cup of latte grande from cafe moca!

Marq

No balls.

Fatboydim

LOL - Never turn a deal down.

Whenever I've offered a deal and it's been turned down at a final table I've always gone on to win. At one of the tables it was $2000 firt prize $1000 second. The chip leader had 18k chips I had 2k I jokingly offered to split. We even had photos taken shaking hands over the money WPT style - He lost.
And he hasn't forgiven me :-)

Doc Farrell

I'm always amazed at the self appointed tough guys round here who slam others for doing deals but if (!) I see them on a final table they're quiet as church mice whenever a split is suggested.

If one plays tournaments more than cash games and financial survival is of value to your long term outlook then deals are part of the game and anyone who say's 'no deals', well good luck to them but I just don't think they will last.

And before anyone presumes to debate this with me it isn't open to one. I've never done a deal that wasn't to my advantage. Sure I'll fight on for a couple of hundred but when there's thousands at stake on the turn of a card you can bet I'll listen to what others have to offer. anything else if self-deluded arrogance.

the only person who can't afford to do a deal is fatboydim next month in the EPT when first prize will be doubled by Paddy Power if he wins it.

but my initial post wasn't really about deals, it was to praise the barrygreenstein.com website.

Len, check out the 'players' section on his site. It makes for fun reading.

Marq

It's not all about you Des. People don't not do deals to piss you off. Here's one of my favourite articles on dealmaking.

Doc Farrell

Good article. In fact I'm a big fan of his.

And if I have a chip lead I will not do a deal. I really annoyed a few people a few months ago when I refused to do one.

And if you have decided to go with Daniel N's policy then fair play to you Marq and i genuinely hope it works out.

I'm just not in his shoes, especially in regards to the first sentence of this last paragraph of his below. But i do get the viewpoint.

taken from the article by Negreaneu:

I do recommend, though, that if you are financially stable and the money won't change your life, avoid making deals. Once people know you as a "no deals" kind of guy, they'll understand and respect your decision to play it out. Of course, people sometimes beg and plead with me to make a deal, but I just can't crack. Sometimes even when I wouldn't mind making a deal, I just can't do it. Once I do it just one time, I'm no longer a "no deals" kind of guy. I become a "Well, if I like you and think you play well, or I really need the money, we can make a deal; otherwise, no deals" kind of guy. That doesn't sound quite as convincing, now, does it?

Marq

And if I have a chip lead I will not do a deal. I really annoyed a few people a few months ago when I refused to do one.

Was I dealing that table? if so I recall that they were pissed off becuase you kept asking for a deal until you got the chip lead, and then refused to discuss it.

I think you were right not to do a deal, once the player in fifth got knocked out there were no great threats left at the table.

ocallagh

i refused a deal when myself, bernie and kev were left. i had a chip lead and I figured I had a better chance of taking in the money. 5 hands later I was low in chips and Bernie had a huge advantage.. They again offered me a deal and I accepted... I felt bad about the whole thing. I might take on some of Daniels advice.. I hate making deals for all the reasons he mentioned. Good article Marq

wayfarer

Check out the song he has for Phil Helmuth on his site. Brilliant!

Its my party and Ill cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to...

Doc Farrell

Marq wrote:

Was I dealing that table? if so I recall that they were pissed off becuase you kept asking for a deal until you got the chip lead, and then refused to discuss it.

I think you were right not to do a deal, once the player in fifth got knocked out there were no great threats left at the table.

LOL, u make me sound like a right brastrado but no it wasnt that night! man, that was a fun night for me.

...refuse to discuss it.... i can't really remember, maybe i am a bastrado.

Davey Devil

Doc Farrell wrote:

I've been reading Barry Greenstein's site and its great fun. He has given various players signature tunes. Dan Harrington's is 'Like A Rock'. A lot of good reading to be had.

anyhow on Harrington's bio there is this anecdote:

When Dan made it to the final table of the 1995 World Series of Poker, he proposed a nine-way settlement to the other players. He explained how they would each get enough money that they could invest it and be rich. Chuck Thompson, one of the players and a friend of mine, rejected the idea and told the other players that this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make a million dollars. One by one, as each player got knocked out, Dan tried to sell the idea, even offering investment counseling. There were no takers and eventually Dan came away with the full million.

I'm so dissapointed, Dan is one of my favourite players and he did something like this?

Nah, Dan wouldn't do that. I like to think it was a cunning ploy and he was never serious about making a deal.

"No Deals" Davey.

willis

Doc, any chance you can post a list of poker books available in hodges figges

wayfarer

willis wrote:

Doc, any chance you can post a list of poker books available in hodges figges

Is that the best place to buy poker books in town? Does anybody know any other shops have a good selection?

Marq

Hodges figgis is by far the best place for poker books in town or anywhere else for that matter. Doc has managed to get pretty much all of the important titles on the shelves, and anything that isn't there he'll be able to order in for you. I used to buy all my poker literature online, but now If there's something I want I can usually find it in HF.

DeVore

You have one chip left. The 8 others have 100,000 such chips. You are offered a 9-way equal deal.


DO YOU TAKE IT?


Now please dont give me any more of this "I dont do deals" arse. kthxbye
Cos either your answer is:

Yes: In which case, you DO do deals, just not the ones that are generally offered.

No: You are a f*cking retard, all of who's money should be taken away because you are too stupid to be allowed to own possessions.

DeV.... QeD.

Doc Farrell

since i was asked heres a brief list of whats in stock.
please remember, to anyone who is thinking of posting about the disgraceful prices, that I don't price them nor make a penny from their sale. in fact i don't even work in the shop, i'm a paper pusher in accounts.

ok

both super systems by Brunson
both volumes of Dan Harrington's
Man Behind the shades - a bio of Ungar
loads of Sklansky
loads of Tom McEvoy and Cloutier
as of next week, Barry Greenstein's ace on the river
shuffle up and deal
channel 4's produced late night poker title
john Vorhaus killer poker
Education of a poker player - the book that got me hooked
Zen and the art of poker - this book is not out of print by larry w. phillips
scarne's guide to modern poker - unusual old fashioned book
Poker for dummies - actually quite good with lots of anecdotes
caros fundamental secrets of winning poker
and his silly fun tells book
Inside the poker mind by John Feeney
Positively Fifth Street - really recommended
Hellmuth's Play poker like the pro's - not recommended

weird general titles that i never ordered in but that will lose you money

basically whatever you want, take a look on Amazon first and then ring the shop on 6774754. you can ask for me, Des, or Mark on the first floor. nobody else will make much of an effort to tell you the truth (in fact rule me out too if its me teabreak)

for every 100 u spend you can get 15 (or 10, i'm not sure) so you may want to get some copies for your pals and let the discount pay for ur copy.

but really, if i were starting to collect again, i might try getting first editions second hand on Amazon. they're not that expensive, often cheaper than the shop stock, apart from Doyle's first edition of Super System. And rightly so.

ok, good luck, d.

Marq

You have 100,000 chips. So do seven other players at the final table of this tournament. the last player has one chip left. Someone offers a nineway chop.

Do you

A) take it and pat yourself on the back because you "won the tournament"?

B)roll around on the floor laughing at the absolute stupidity of the suggestion?

C)Explain to DeV that one unrealistic isolated example does not an argument make.

Come off it Tom.

Fatboydim

Des is there a significant difference between Super System one and two.
Having not read either yet is it worth getting both or only one title?

Doc Farrell

Len for you its just harmeless reading. I recommend taking a look at them and only buying either if they amuse you or if you want to know more about other games like low ball etc.
there's not much difference.
why not try to find a signed first edition of the original on ebay/amazon? that would be very cool. i would love that as a Christmas present (ahem). i would certainly give one if i won an EPT around about Halloween! i reckon you could get a copy for about 200 dollars.

I'll post when the Greenstein book has come in and i've had a look at it.

kincsem

I almost always ask if people want to deal -

My reasons
(1) I want to go home.
(2) Everyone has played well to reach the final stages and there is little difference in ability.
(3) Some people need the money (and I'm one of them). I remember when I got to my first final table in the Merrion with a tiny stack and Derry Harney said "let's do a deal, 100 off the top, 50 off second, everyone gets a minimum of 50, ok, shuffle up and deal". Thanks Derry.

Once when three-handed one player refused to do a deal (a better player :cool: ). We played on and I knocked the player out. I then had about 4/5 of the chips and offered a 50/50 deal. Why? The player remaining had agreed to a deal when three-handed . And I knew details of the final deal would get back to the player who refused :mad:. I want "no deal" players to realise their mistake.
This "I don't do deals" stance says to me "I think I can outplay you". :rolleyes: It doesn't worry me in the least if a player wants a head-up battle.
In my eyes a "no deal" attitude does not make sense if you do not know what deal will be offered.

RMcG

very well said m8

Davey Devil

kincsem wrote:

I almost always ask if people want to deal -

(3) Some people need the money (and I'm one of them).

I then had about 4/5 of the chips and offered a 50/50 deal. Why? The player remaining had agreed to a deal when three-handed . And I knew details of the final deal would get back to the player who refused :mad:. I want "no deal" players to realise their mistake.

If you need the money so much why did you do a deal for the stupidist reason I have ever heard. Sounds like you don't like money.

You want no deal players to realise their mistake? That's an insane comment. Your the one making mistakes. Doing a deal when you have 4/5 of the chips when heads up is a big mistake.

kinaldo

Davey Devil

I'm so dissapointed, Dan is one of my favourite players and he did something like this?

yeah he briefly mentions it in his second book, which is excellent btw

kinaldo

Marq wrote:

You have 100,000 chips. So do seven other players at the final table of this tournament. the last player has one chip left. Someone offers a nineway chop.

Do you

A) take it and pat yourself on the back because you "won the tournament"?

B)roll around on the floor laughing at the absolute stupidity of the suggestion?

C)Explain to DeV that one unrealistic isolated example does not an argument make.

Come off it Tom.

I'd have to go with (A), although I wouldn't literally pat myself on the back

I have a lot of respect for the no deals policy and it's something I try to abide by, unless it's just simply too good to refuse.

Hectorjelly

kincsem wrote:

(2) Everyone has played well to reach the final stages and there is little difference in ability.

LOL