How to play in late stages of MTT? (possibly low content)

Blinder

ok, have being lurking for the last few days and wanted to ask opinion on something

MTT, Blinds 8,000/16,000
I have 2 1/2 BB and I'm dealt 10 K os UTG
BB has only BB + 100

10 left in tourney, all in the money
Because the blinds are so high, most people are folding, and the very short stacked BB's are being called with 2,7 o/s because it's left up to the SB to call.


So what do you do?

jd

push?

Culchie

Push absolutely.

10th place in a MTT maybe pays normally 10 or 20% above your buy in.

You've spent 2/3/4 hours playing poker, you want to make some proper money don't you ?

Anything less than 5 BB's is Red Zone Territory, you have to make a move if you want to win this tournament.

Ste05

This is a complete no-brainer I'm afraid, you push here, since here you are lucky enough to get K10, push and cross your fingers.

There's a miniscule chance that this decision might be a little more complicated if there's a big jump in the money from 10th to 9th, ie. a 9 man final table, as this BB is more than likely going to be knocked out this hand. But even then you have to push, stick them in and see what happens. Realistically you want a caller as well to try and double you up at the same time

EDIT:

Forget that, what ever the jump in money, you push regardless. No brainer. K10 is good enough here,

Blinder

ok, coz that's what i did, pushed, it was folded around to BB.
and i won the hand.

But BB slated me for the rest of the game, saying it was a stupid thing to do in my position. He almost had me convinced.
i didn't think it was that bad. But since i seem to end up in that position for a few mtt's decided better to check.

Culchie

Well, I guess the BB would say that wouldn't he

Well Played

NickyOD

BB was an idiot for telling you that. Once you get down to 6BBs if you are the shortstack you are getting better EV from pushing in EP with 9T suited than calling an all in with 88. Easy push.

Washout

damn straight its an easy push....short stacks are in desperation mode alot will call if they see a picture card and rag and leaders are more than likely in tight mode.

ignore the dumbass who is berating you. btw i was just curious did he have a monster hand? and he felt it was a bad beat?

Blinder

ok, just to add
If i was in a different place on the board, say on the button, and a few had gone all in before me , I'd fold this hand.
Correct or not?
I figure that there are a few hands with high cards in the pocket and chances of hitting are lower.

Washout wrote:

btw i was just curious did he have a monster hand? and he felt it was a bad beat?

OK, i didn't mention that because i wanted to find out if my play was ok for that stage. He had AK.

NickyOD

Blinder wrote:

ok, just to add
If i was in a different place on the board, say on the button, and a few had gone all in before me , I'd fold this hand.
Correct or not?
I figure that there are a few hands with high cards in the pocket and chances of hitting are lower.

OK, i didn't mention that because i wanted to find out if my play was ok for that stage. He had AK.

No You have even more incentive to push because of the pot odds you're getting. The only exception would be on the bubble of a satelite or a tournament with a flat payout structure where other players are a bout to bust and you can last another orbit. If I have 5BBs left I'd push with 78 suited UTG.

Blinder

Thanks Nicky
Still very much a novice here so advice is great

Ste05

It doesn't really matter what he had, you need not worry about the actual results, just concern yourself with making the right plays at the right times. The results will work themselves out in the long run once you consistently make the right plays.
It sounds like you hit a 10, did you?? Just out of curiosdity

In relation to your other point, when you say a "few all-in's before you" it depends on how many "a few" is, I'd possibly fold here and move up the money for free and let a "few" of these get knocked out, but it would depend on loads of things and we'd really need more info, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with calling either and gambling here, at this stage you need to get lucky to win big, especially seeing as you're now getting even better odds on your chips than before, then just hope you have live cards, unless your happy just moving up one or two places in the money, (what's the jump??)

Blinder

Ste05 wrote:

It sounds like you hit a 10, did you?? Just out of curiosdity

yep, lucky guess? ;-)

Ste05 wrote:

In rela[tion to your other point, when you say a "few all-in's before you" it depends on how many "a few" is,

A few as in 2, and since the BB is short stacked too, there would be 4 fighting for the pot

I'd possibly fold here and move up the money for free and let a "few" of these get knocked out, but it would depend on loads of things and we'd really need more info, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with calling either and gambling here, at this stage you need to get lucky to win big, especially seeing as you're now getting even better odds on your chips than before, then just hope you have live cards, unless your happy just moving up one or two places in the money, (what's the jump??)

I think for 10th it was just over $10
6th was about $40
1st was about $250

Ste05

Well then it would have to be a call in that spot, you have a better chance to win the whole thing if you hit your hand unless $20 or $30 is worth anything to you,
In this spot you're getting at least 4:1 on your chips, so getting lovely value, so call and hope to get lucky.

accensi0n

Blinder wrote:

Because the blinds are so high, most people are folding,


So what do you do?

this is the perfect situation for you. people playing scared and trying to passively make their way up the money places is a gigantic reason for you to push with anything.

kincsem

Why is it an automatic push with KTo? Eight players behind you. You are a dog to anyone with an Ace. And with 8 players X 2 cards each = 16 cards/52 cards X 4 aces it is odds on you are against one ace or more. And at 16/1 being dealt a pair in first two cards it is 50/50 you are against a pair (8 players). Let someone else take on the short-stacked big blind (possibly two will), get the big blind out, and move up a place.
You have no hand. It's only slightly better than average.
You're all sacked.

Lafortezza

A2-A8 might fold to your all-in with KTo UTG push. Especially if they are a tight medium stack who doesn't want to gamble. So only bigger aces will call and maybe not all, as they won't want to gamble a proportion of their stack on a 50-50 or worse.
You might get a call from a pair lower than TT, so you've got a 50-50 when you're very low on chips and need a break to get back in the tournaments.
Or you might get called by AA and hit a straight or a 1 card flush, this is my favourite.

Ste05

The push here isn't done to take out the BB, you have 2.5 BB's left, the next hand you'll have 1.5 and one in the pot, i.e. you will be pot comitted. And you will have to play for the rest of your chips regardless of your cards. So the question is would you rather go all-in on this hand or the next one?????? K10 is better than any random 2 you're about to be given as well. Also it's alot better to go out of a tournament by raising rather than calling for all you're chips, IMHO!!