Multitable Tournament Hand, counterfeited pair

Hectorjelly

I am amongst the chip leaders in the 7.5k, about 50 people left. Villain of the hand seems in no way like an idiot, but a little loose. Not great really. I have 34k left, he has 44k. Blinds are 300 600

He opens for 1800 utg. I call with 88. Flop is TTJ, he bets 1200 - I call.

Turn is another jack. Whats my plan for the rest of the hand? Should I just check fold?

mewso

Difficult one. You could take a stab at it for 5k or so and still be in with a shout if he comes back at you and you have to let it go but the check fold is fine too imo. I think you need to know your opponent well. If you take a shot at it it's because you are betting he has none of it. Problem is he might come to the same conclusion about you.

willis

raise him on the flop,its a very weak bet imo by him. why let him catch on the turn,if your ahead now you can take it down, and a raise will give you more info about where your at. After the turn i check fold

JuliusFranco

is he first to act?
what was your plan calling with 88 in the first place?

Hectorjelly

hes utg and so first to speak, my plan was to either hit an 8 or play poker

ocallagh

This is a very tough hand to play, and for what it's worth, i'd probably check fold from now, unless I had a good read on the player.

You only have 3k invested, and you have no idea what your opponent is holding.

If you feel like playing poker though, It depends on how he plays the turn. If he has a T or J off the flop, he'll more than likely check the turn. If he is messing around he'll probably go for it again on the turn. If he bets on the turn I might (might) call him on the turn representing a T or J with the intention of bluffing him out of the pot on the river. It depends on your table image, and how good this player is.

padraig_f

Yeah it's a good time to make a move. The way you've played the hand up to this point is consistent with having a T or a J. I'd probably put in a 3/4 pot-sized bet/raise on the turn. It's heavily odds-against that he has a T or J, the main question is whether he'll play with an overpair (but again it's odds-against that he even has an overpair). You have to think such a bet/raise will win it at least 50% of the time, which would make it profitable. If he doesn't fold to that, I'm done with the hand.

Hitman Actual

Does he have any real reason to believe that you have ten or a jack? Does he think you'd flat call an EP preflop raise with AJ or AT? I think JJ or TT are the only hands you can really represent, and I doubt he'll believe that you have now hit your quads. It depends how good he is, but it would be very hard to take this away from him, unless you're actually ahead. And that's unlikely considering half the deck has you beaten. A move on the river might be the best way to go if you want to take it.

Culchie

Has he QK and drawing on an open ender ?... that's my read

Chip leaders can try and be too agressive, has he dug himself a hole from UTG?

I think I'd make one more attempt to take this down with a 3/4 pot bet if he checks or puts in a weak bet. Nothing wrong with check fold either though, still alot of chips left to be sitting comfortably.

Ste05

I think I'd take a stab at it here, maybe lead out with a 3/4 pot sized bet, this guy is another one of the chip leaders and won't want to get involved with you without a hand, (he'll probably assume the same) if you get called or raised you can just let it go, knowing you're behind. There's 6900 in the pot, if you get called and lose then you'll still have 26k or so and won't be in too bad shape, if you make him lay it down you'll be in very good shape.

This would be the risky play, but one that I'm sure you're capable of pulling HJ, not sure I'd have the balls to though, unless of course you had any reason to suspect he had a J or 10. What hand with a 10 or J in it would he raise UTG with?? pairs.

By the sounds of it he probably has AK or an over pair, and assuming he is a good player it will be a tough decision to make.

I'd say here it was you UTG with 1010 or JJ though ??? Am I right??

Hectorjelly

No It wasnt me utg. First of all theres nothing wrong with check folding here, to win this pot Im going to have to potentially put all of my chips into the pot drawing dead.

If I do decide to try and take this pot I think you have to be prepared to fire two barrells. To make it believeable I dont think you can raise the turn too much, if you had AJ here there is no need to raise big. A result of this is that an overpair will probably call the turn because its quiet cheap. I have enough chips to make a small raise on the turn and then a pot size bet (20k) on the river, which is almost impossible to call without at least a ten. If your not prepared to bet twice I think you are better off folding here.

As the hand panned out I raised his turn bet to 6k, then went all in on the river, he folded.

Hectorjelly

lenny_leonard wrote:

Does he have any real reason to believe that you have ten or a jack? Does he think you'd flat call an EP preflop raise with AJ or AT? I think JJ or TT are the only hands you can really represent, and I doubt he'll believe that you have now hit your quads. It depends how good he is, but it would be very hard to take this away from him, unless you're actually ahead. And that's unlikely considering half the deck has you beaten. A move on the river might be the best way to go if you want to take it.

I could have AJ, AT, JTs, 9Ts etc. Its unlikely I have him beat since my 8's are now worthless.

Hitman Actual

Hectorjelly wrote:

I could have AJ, AT, JTs, 9Ts etc. Its unlikely I have him beat since my 8's are now worthless.

I obviously play a lot tighter than you, cos I wouldn't like calling an EP raise with any of those hands. I'd prefer to have the JTs, 9Ts, rather than the Ace-rags.

I agree that your 8's are worthless, but would villain make an EP raise with 77, 66, etc? (Actually if he would, then calling raises with all those hands above makes a lot more sense).

Hectorjelly

lenny_leonard wrote:

I obviously play a lot tighter than you, cos I wouldn't like calling an EP raise with any of those hands. I'd prefer to have the JTs, 9Ts, rather than the Ace-rags.

I agree that your 8's are worthless, but would villain make an EP raise with 77, 66, etc? (Actually if he would, then calling raises with all those hands above makes a lot more sense).

With position and big chips stacks Im calling his raises quite liberally, your right Im not likely to have AJ or AT but he doesnt know that. He would expect me to call him with AJ because he would.