Criticize my Omaha play! (Hand History)

Lafortezza

I'm IEatFish.

Only been at the table for a little while, no real reads but Mister Boru seems fishy, Socos seems decent and fairly tight, he hasn't been in many pots since I joined the table.
Less hands than me in fact and I play very tight preflop.

Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Connecticut River 3451701-17050 Omaha Pot Limit $0.50/$1
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Hand Start.
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 1 : McBeast has $172.50
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 2 : copperknob has $96.50
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 3 : LUSYGOOSEY has $135.92
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 4 : IEatFish has $136.83
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 5 : Mister Boru has $20.75
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 6 : luckeeswan has $102.63
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 7 : Pzone20 has $30
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 8 : GERANDI has $20
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 9 : Socos has $109.30

PREFLOP
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Socos posted small blind.
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : McBeast posted big blind.
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Game [17050] started with 7 players.
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Sep 8 14:44:31] : Seat 4 : IEatFish has Td Js Qc Kd
[Sep 8 14:44:38] : copperknob called $1
[Sep 8 14:44:41] : LUSYGOOSEY folded.
[Sep 8 14:44:43] : IEatFish called $1 and raised $3.50
[Sep 8 14:44:45] : Mister Boru called $4.50
[Sep 8 14:44:47] : luckeeswan folded.
[Sep 8 14:44:50] : Socos called $4 and raised $15.50
[Sep 8 14:44:50] : McBeast folded.
[Sep 8 14:44:54] : copperknob folded.
[Sep 8 14:44:56] : IEatFish called $15.50
[Sep 8 14:44:59] : Mister Boru called $15.50 and raised $0.75 and is All-in
[Sep 8 14:44:59] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Sep 8 14:45:00] : Socos called $0.75
[Sep 8 14:45:01] : IEatFish called $0.75

POST FLOP
[Sep 8 14:45:02] : Dealing flop.
[Sep 8 14:45:02] : Board cards [9d 3s 8s]
[Sep 8 14:45:06] : Socos bet $64.25
[Sep 8 14:45:10] : IEatFish called $64.25 and raised $51.83 and is All-in
[Sep 8 14:45:10] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Sep 8 14:45:12] : Socos called $24.30 and is All-in
[Sep 8 14:45:12] : Showdown!

RESULTS
[Sep 8 14:45:12] : Seat 4 : IEatFish has Td Js Qc Kd
[Sep 8 14:45:14] : Seat 4 : IEatFish has Td Js Qc Kd
[Sep 8 14:45:14] : Seat 5 : Mister Boru has Qh 9s Qd Ts
[Sep 8 14:45:14] : Seat 9 : Socos has Ac Kc Kh As
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Board cards [9d 3s 8s 7h 3d]
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Seat 4 : IEatFish has Td Js Qc Kd
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : IEatFish has Straight JT987
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Seat 9 : Socos has Ac Kc Kh As
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Socos has Two Pair: Aces and 3s
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : IEatFish wins $174.89 with Straight JT987
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Seat 5 : Mister Boru has Qh 9s Qd Ts
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Mister Boru has Two Pair: Queens and 3s
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Seat 9 : Socos has Ac Kc Kh As
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Socos has Two Pair: Aces and 3s
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : Seat 4 : IEatFish has Td Js Qc Kd
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : IEatFish has Straight JT987
[Sep 8 14:45:20] : IEatFish wins $63.46 with Straight JT987
[Sep 8 14:44:46] : Hand is over.


I'd appreciate opinions on
1) My preflop raise: My raising standard are pretty limited, obviously I'll raise AAxx and a coordinated KKxx, I also raise hands like 8899 TTJJ, and I raise with reasonable wrap hands like 4567, 78TJds

2) Preflop call. I knew I was behind when socos reraised, if I had had 6789 I would have called quicker because the top cardds of my hand run into his possible reraising standards, he could have had KKAQ or something. Therefore my straight or top 2 pair potential could be in trouble. The could also be drawing slim and without a pair I'm way behind if I miss the flop and don't hit a draw.

3) Call the flop or push all-in? It's obvious all the money is going in, would I have any smidgin of folding equity by pushing turn if he checks?

Who played it better me or Socos? Did I get lucky? Mister Boru, while his stack was insignificant, he held alot of my outs.

Hectorjelly

I think you played it perfectly. Socos played it ok but gave away his holding very cheaply preflop but only got 1/10 of his stack in preflop. Allthough AAKK is better than AAxx it doesnt improve it that much. Im not a fan of reraising with AA in omaha unless you can committ yourself preflop, as it is has negative implied odds, ie your opponents are unlikely to commit their stacks unless they have AA beaten.

RoundTower

I think that I would have played the hand exactly the same way. I don't know if that means you played it perfectly.

I would like to have known something more about Socos. Some players will not push the flop here unless they have hit the nut flush draw or something to go with their aces. But with these stacks all the money is going in anyway. Getting it all in on the flop is better than second-guessing yourself if, lets say, the 9s comes.

I agree that Socos should consider flat calling, although I don't know where you got the figure 1/10 of his stack from. On the button, I reraise with this hand every time.

Lafortezza

RoundTower wrote:

Some players will not push the flop here unless they have hit the nut flush draw or something to go with their aces.

I nearly always make a continuation bet after I raise with AAxx, unless the flop come 9TJ or TT8 or something equally scary.

Roundtower wrote:

But with these stacks all the money is going in anyway. Getting it all in on the flop is better than second-guessing yourself if, lets say, the 9s comes.

I agree that Socos should consider flat calling, although I don't know where you got the figure 1/10 of his stack from. On the button, I reraise with this hand every time.

Socos was in the SB. Preflop he re-raised and got 20% of his stack in the middle. It's not 10% but it's still not enough to pot commit himself and make getting all-in on the flop the right move when he misses.

His flop bet was fine if he knew more about my play and if he was pretty sure I had missed. I'd probably do the same in his position.
A check/call or check/fold probably would have been the more prudent choice though for him.
If I have a legitimate hand then what could he be beating?

Lafortezza

pokenum  -o td js qc kd  - ac kc kh as  - qh 9s qd ts  -- 9d 3s 8s 
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 8s 3s 9d
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie   %tie     EV
Js Qc  Kd  Td  148  22.22   448  67.27   70  10.51  0.275
As Ac  Kc  Kh  183  27.48   483  72.52    0   0.00  0.275
Ts 9s  Qd  Qh  265  39.79   331  49.70   70  10.51  0.450

When I run it through twodimes I was only 20% to win on the flop, 10% to split.

If you take out the small stacks' hand of Qh 9s Qd Ts and treat it as heads up you get

pokenum  -o td js qc kd  - ac kc kh as  -- 9d 3s 8s 
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 8s 3s 9d
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
Js Qc  Kd  Td  461  56.22   359  43.78    0  0.00  0.562
As Ac  Kc  Kh  359  43.78   461  56.22    0  0.00  0.438

So I'm only a slight favourite headsup and pretty boned 3-way with these particular hands involved.

DapperGent

That's only becuase the third hand has three of your outs which makes you look worse in the hand than you could possibly know. Also he has a flush draw and you can't know this either. It would be hard to give the third player a realistic worse hand for you.

Personally I like everything about the way you played it, it reeked of a contination with AA, he has only $20 back after his raise so you might as well get it all in on the flop. There's no chance you could bluff him off for $20 if you blanked a turn. Though there is a chance he could fold when the seven hit.

careca

I'm in the minority here but I don't like your call - reraise all in after the flop.
Even without knowing that the other player had some of your outs I think it was marginal at best. Ok when you make the call you have to raise the last 20 as its going in anyway, but I would have given a lot of thought to the fold.

As was stated a lot of players who raise with AA (and it was obvious that was his holding) will then bet the pot with the nut flush draw. I would have given serious consideration to this. Theres also the possibility that he raised with AAxx, where xx is either 99,88 or 33.

Anyway, alls well that ends well.

Lafortezza

If I put Socos on AAxx then I'm pretty sure my outs are good, unless his danglers are 99 or 89 or TJ or something.
Any 7, T, J, Q wins it for me, if a spade falls I might still be good against Socos headsup.

But I agree I'm not that big of a favourite.

RoundTower

lafortezza wrote:

A check/call or check/fold probably would have been the more prudent choice though for him.?

I think check/call is terrible here. He can only beat a bluff and you are unlikely to be bluffing into a dry side pot.

I bet his hand or check/fold, depending on how I'm feeling.

Lafortezza

I agree but he could still be ahead after the flop. If I don't have a made hand I probably have a draw but a blank on the turn or say the turn came and off suit 3 (ie flush draw missed) would put him in reasonable shape. 893 is not the flop he was looking for and there's plenty of draws but I might not have a made hand and he could still be in with a shout.

RoundTower

I think he needs to put you on specifically the hand you have - TJQx or TJxx with 2 spades for it to be correct for him to call. He is in a situation where he cannot be way ahead, and is likely to be way behind.

He should only check and call here if he wants to catch a bluff, and because there is no side pot he cannot expect you to be bluffing.