Marquee Moon

______ · 03-09-2005 1:22am #1

Is it a punk album or not?
Is it a post-punk album or not?
Is it a proto-punk album or not?

Whatever it is it's brilliant.

RobertFoster · 03-09-2005 1:32am

Wikipedia has it as "Proto-punk, Punk" - so I guess it's not post-punk

NotMe · 03-09-2005 10:27am

It was made in 1977 so it could hardly be post-punk.

I would say it's a rock album that came from the 1977 NY punk scene. Television are about as punk as Blondie (who some people would say are punk but not me). Anyway I don't like it.

DerekD Goldfish · 06-09-2005 8:57pm

It was made in 1977 so it could hardly be post-punk

why not punk but for a few exceptions was dead by 1977
Its style is far more similar to post punk bands than punk bands and given that is was released after punk died its not really proto punk so I call it post punk but at the end of the day what matters is how absolutly great an album it is. Adventre is also a great album and the Blow up is one of my all time favorite live album

Lemo · 06-09-2005 9:06pm

New Wave?

DadaKopf · 06-09-2005 9:06pm

Maybe the beginning of American New Wave.

Some reckon the beginning of Marquee Moon (the song) provided the basis for post-rock.

Whatever post-rock is meant to be.

Lemo · 06-09-2005 9:09pm

Maybe we should just enjoy it for what it is... :-)

The Ramones film/doco is pretty good for an insight into the whole CBGBs thing.

NotMe · 07-09-2005 1:12pm

DerekD Goldfish wrote:

why not punk but for a few exceptions was dead by 1977

heheh

______ · 11-09-2005 1:54am

Some people say it's Proto, others say it's just punk and others say it's one of the first post-punk

DadaKopf · 11-09-2005 3:12am

Did Television have a 'punk ethic'?

______ · 22-10-2005 10:42pm

Actually, Richard Hell(founding member of Television) created the Punk-Ethic.

rcaz · 27-10-2005 5:56pm

I love this album. I'm really no good at genres, I just thought it was rock. Call it what you will, it's still amazing.

Anyone else hear that Television allegedly built the first stage at CBGB's? I thought it was pretty cool to have a band build the stage when I heard it.

rose of jericho · 28-10-2005 7:49pm

Despite what the uniformed so-called Punks (they are a contradiction in terms) may say punk is not characterised by a chord progression, a guitar sound or a singular particular political stance. Punk is only a genre insofar as it is anti-genre. So if you really feel the need to categorise Television's first album (released after the departure of Hell) you can call it punk...if you like. In fact if you are a "punk" you can do whatever you like, that's the beauty of it. I suggest getting hold of Don Lett's new DVD 'Punk Attitude' well worth a look he delves into New York Punk and British Punk and the differences between them.

______ · 04-11-2005 11:53pm

Is taht DVD any good, does it feature Television/Richard Hell at all.
BTW I got Horses.

Ramon · 21-11-2005 9:12am

Yeah there's a bit of Hell and Television on there...not as much as I'd like. I would have preferred more on the NY scene than the London scene, saying that it's a great DVD and nice to see/hear everyone from Jello to Devoto being interviewed.

lazydaisy · 28-11-2005 5:36am

You have to realise that at the time the popular media gave the name punk to all those guys who played at CBGBs and didnt give much thought to their sound. So Blondie, Talking Heads, Patti Smith, and Television were all tagged with that label whether they liked it or not and I don't think any of them sound that punk. The only criteria that the manager of CBGB had at the time was that bands played their own music.

People are getting their genres all mixed up these days. Like those metal heads who think anything with an aggressive sound is metal, like Nirvana or Fugazi. As if.

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