euro 1080 and canal+ hd

eoinf · 31-08-2005 9:56pm #1

i am trying to install a High Def sattelite for a High def demo i am trying to pick up euro1080 and canal+ hd . I have a Sky dish (already aligned and reciebving sky digital) and a high def decoder. can i use the SKY sat to recieve astra1h which i understan EURO1080 and canal+hd are being broadcast on, or do i need to put up another dish. any help on this would be really apreciated as this demo needs to be up and running as soon as possible.

TVDX · 31-08-2005 11:28pm

You will have to move the dish to 19.2 degrees east.

If you have never aligned a satellite dish it might be tricky, but not impossible.

The dish will work fine though.

Pal · 01-09-2005 12:59pm

HIGH DEF demo just inside the door in Peats Parnell Street.

superb stuff.

they are using Astra1 Premiere HD test channel from Germany

I just have to have one !!!!!!!!!!!!

eoinf · 01-09-2005 1:42pm

what angle is the sky sat alligned to i have a sky sat up and running can i use that or do i need to reallign it.

byte · 01-09-2005 7:14pm

Sky dish is aimed at Astra 2. 28.5°E. Astra 1 is at 19.2°E.

To put it simply, while behind the dish, you need to turn the dish to your right a few degrees and tilt slightly upwards.

eoinf · 01-09-2005 7:46pm

i heard or read somewhere that i could mount a twin LNB would this allow access to both astra 2 , so i could still pick up sky, and one pointing at astra to pick up the HD channels. is this possible . if so is it something i could do myself.

Tony · 01-09-2005 8:15pm

eoinf wrote:

i heard or read somewhere that i could mount a twin LNB would this allow access to both astra 2 , so i could still pick up sky, and one pointing at astra to pick up the HD channels. is this possible . if so is it something i could do myself.

you would need change the dish to an 80cm triax or similar and use two lnbs not a twin as well as a multi lnb bracket . A twin output is used for two receivers both receiving the same satellite.

chern0byl · 02-09-2005 1:53am

Tony wrote:

you would need change the dish to an 80cm triax or similar and use two lnbs not a twin as well as a multi lnb bracket

I believe a member of this forum[watty i think] had engineered his own multi bracket for his sky dish. Looked quite messy if i remember right, but worked.

watty · 02-09-2005 6:46pm

Several years (4?) later it is still fine, 3 lnbs (28.2, 19.2, 13E) on a very old Sky Analog era dish.

The 28.2 LNB is dual to drive PC 4 way diseq Sat RX and also the Sky Digi box.

There is a separate 80cm dish on motor.

HD IMO is a waste of time at normal sitting distance unless you have a 48" Widescreen.

I think Prosieben on 19.2 E has the only regular FTA HD service in Europe.

WARNING
Most big Plasma even HD ready are NOT true HD, but similar to regular PAL or XVGA and simply "downconversion" with "antialising" to display it.

Unless it is WS format with AT LEAST 1080 REAL pixel vertical resolution a waste of money.

I will wait and go for DLP or LCD projector. Then for boring stuff / news etc I can have 36" etc WS screen / 28" 4:3 screen and for feature films zoom to 48" or even 60" display.

Also various aspect ratios, 4:3, 16:9 and 1:2.3 letterbox on 16:9 look better on adjustable projection screen than a LCD or CRT panel.

eoinf · 02-09-2005 7:09pm

its for a demo of the differnece between Hd and normal digital. we have a 50" viera HD and a few sony and panasonic HD projectors along with some new smaller (26"-37")HD LCD's from JVC SONY ect. not really fussed wether its good bad or indifferent just need to get it up and running .thanks for the help.

telecinesk · 03-09-2005 7:31pm

Heres a question for anyone with a dreambox or dbox2 who has "Tuxvision" installed on their pc, can you try the 1080 feed and see if tuxvision will render it. I know I had some success with 4.2.2 from 7E so it may be a way to at least view the stream using a pc.
Oh the res and stream bitrate is somewhat higher alright, comes up on my nok9500 with dvb2000 1847 software, so it should look nice if the stream can be captured this way.

watty · 04-09-2005 11:01am

If you have the cheaper 70 Euro rather than more expensive 300 Euro PCI sat card I beleive some SW to decode HD Mpeg is free. Not sure if it is Windows or Linux.

Presumably some of your HD displays/ projectors will take UXGA etc signal direct form VGA or DVI connector?

HDForum on 13E is detected as FTA on my Palcom DSL4. ON this or on Euro1080 my Palcom DSL4 puts up caption "HD Service". You get no picture of course.

ProgDVB on Windows can allegedly use a PCI Sat card with its own MPEG decoder in "Soft mode" rather than normal "Hard mode", thus using PC SW rather than the onboard DSP chip and media bridge, simulating the 70 Euro card on a 300 Euro card. I'll see if this works with Prosieben, Euro1080 or HDForum channels.

My screen is 4:3 1600 x 1200, so it will just about do 1080 in 16:9 letterboxed mode.

watty · 04-09-2005 11:23am

HD Forum is
11242000, V, 27500

watty · 04-09-2005 12:00pm

Above on Hotbird13E

Chaning my Satcard from "Hard mode" to "Soft mode" I do indeed briefly get boxing on
Euro1080 HD-1
on Astra 19E.

The picture breaks up more and more then freezes. Q=100% and L=71%

All the normal Astra, Hotbird and Sky channels are perfect. 80cm dish, 3 LNBs (one dual for digibox) and a 4 way Global Disq switch.

Perhaps it is a question of getting all the settings right in ProgDVB. If it can be got working reliably a UXGA projector would be impressive. The Graphics card does do 1920 x 1080

My PC is a DELL 930MHz Precision 220 Workstation runing XP pro with 512M and Creative Nvideo GEForce MX400 32M graphics 1600 x1200

ProgDVB on an old Hauppauge PCI sat card similar to Skystar1 / Nexus and the most recent Technotrend drivers.

watty · 04-09-2005 12:02pm

The 4x3 monitor is a little squashed with 1920 x 1080 mode, which the Creative / Nvidia card does do.

Zaphod · 05-09-2005 11:23am

@Watty. ProgDVB uses the elecard codec. If you can access the properties menu for the codec and select the option to display I-frames only, it should improve the display. Also make sure that all OSDs are disabled. That said, 950MHz CPU may be a little underpowered for MPEG2 HDTV.

Some reports on MPEG4 HDTV trials by Premiere recently below. See also in current edition of Television magazine.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=95381&highlight=euro1080

watty · 05-09-2005 1:35pm

Thanks Zaphod. It shows the power of dedicated DSP TExas chip for DSP as the card using on board MPEG2 decoder and TV out media bridge is perfect on a P90!

Since the least I have seen non-jerky DVD MPEG2 SW playback is about a PIII 450MHz, I'd guess that about 1.7GHz cpu is needed.

I'll try the settings you suggest.

I find the previous stored ProSieben HD channel I stored has now no signal, Is HD service of ProSieben gone again or moved?

watty · 10-09-2005 5:51pm

If your interested in HD TV this might be of interest with "screenshot grabs"

http://dvbn.happysat.org/viewtopic.php?t=25632

Ronan|Raven · 11-09-2005 4:12pm

Feeling bored so I tested EURO1080 streaming to my pc.

First program used was media player with the bitcontrol plugin. It would show no picture but audio came through after 3 minutes media player crashed..

tested it with tuxvision and it crashed before it could even try play sound.

Final program was using the web interface on dreambox streaming it with VLC (Videolan) at last some success we get video and audio but it breaks up a lot. pixellation and audio stutter. I am swapping to videolan version 0.8.1 to see if it any better.

Will report back.

watty · 12-09-2005 1:08pm

Even ordinary BBC satellite needs the 100Mbps ports on my switch. The "downstream" 10mbit hub some PCs are on here is too slow.

Even 100Mbps takes a bad hit streaming BBC satellite.

Ethernet is poor with multiple users once half the BW is used up.

telecinesk · 12-09-2005 3:23pm

Hi again,
Tried Tuxvision and like ronanraven my pc went into crashmode... The got clever and recorded some using "WingrabZ" via ethernet socket as it tends to be a "bit" more reliable. Got a few frames but then it spluttered.. Funny I could record 4.2.2 from 7 East but HDTV is a different mode somwhat, but what I did manage to see was seriously nice. Looking foward to a receiver in the future to get for it. Stunning pictures!
I didnt get videolan to work, must try a bit more fidling when I have more time.

Ronan|Raven · 12-09-2005 7:31pm

telecinesk, usingthe latest gemini and whatever new revision of the web interface is in it now. I installed videolan with mozilla plugin (it lets you check this option as you install it) open up yer dreambox ip in firefox and choose yer channel.

In the top below channel name you will see the vpid, click on the value beside it and choose to open the file with videolan it should stream the channel perfect to you.

Kev · 12-09-2005 9:02pm

I tried streaming from dreambox to to VLC on my laptop today and it works great after turning deinterlacing on. channel was HDFORUM on hotbird.

Ronan|Raven · 12-09-2005 9:37pm

Are you using the dreambox 7*** series?

Kev · 12-09-2005 9:52pm

Yeah, dreambox 7000 with gemini 2.10.
I've just tried recording to the internal hard disk, then ftping it to the laptop to watch, but that didn't work too good, video break up and pixelation etc.

Ronan|Raven · 13-09-2005 8:07am

Streaming from the 7000 series has always been good, the 5620 always has struggled this is the first time I got streaming working properly with my 5620 but I think the strain of the the hdtv channels is to much for it to cope with.

euro 1080 and canal+ hd

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